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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #345 on: September 26, 2012, 04:52:47 am »
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Obviously don't go over board, but it's better to be more rested than more fatigued IMO, especially if you're a hardgainer.

I usually take just another rest day and then go to the gym if I'm very tired. It doesn't make any sense to push through fatigue only to get more and more and more run down to the ground. If you do it, you're going to need a deload at some point.

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Re: chasing athleticism -- w3d3
« Reply #346 on: September 26, 2012, 10:17:56 am »
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Training
TMWU 300m/3mins
BS 2x108.5, 2x110, 1x112.5, 1x115
OHP 4x57.5, 4x57, 3x58.5

TMWU 300m/3mins
Chins 3x3x97.25kg (+12.5kg), 5x88.25(+3.75kg), 2x6x84.5
CURLZ 8x47(PR, 1/2s), 8x40 (4 full rom, 4 almost full), 6x35 (full rom but right arm cramped up otherwise i had 8 reps), 6x32.5 (right cramp)

HIIT - 6 intervals of 10s on, 15s off
SSTM - 15 mins, 1.5km

Still have noodle arms, they haven't grown a jot even though i've been doing arm work regularly now. I've gotten stronger at the lifts but it has done jack all for me. Ridiculous because next week i'll be doing strict dead hang chins with 100kg and i'm almost half curling 50kg and yet i still have 12.5" arms. DO I EVEN LIFT?

Conditioning notes:
I finally figured out how to use my gymboss timer to do intervals lol. I started conservatively. I'll add 5s of on and reduce 5s of off next time. And probably add an interval to make 7. The "official" tabata is 8x20s on, 10s off. I'll approach that within the next 2 workouts.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #347 on: September 26, 2012, 10:32:02 am »
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plan on getting back into making squat PRs

1. better preparation and recovery (improve hydration pre, peri and post workout, don't lift fasted, get a meal in before the first session of the day, full seminal stores during the week, dont wear out knees using the TM, etc)

2. reduce CNS stress (backsquat and front squat heavy only 1x a week: that means heavy triples, doubles and singles - only one day a week no more, cut down on the powercleans a lot- 1x week and not excessive intensity/volume -  they seem to fry my CNS, ditto on the deadlifts)

3. add volume, my backsquat loves volume  (lots of sets of 6+ reps, stick in the 80-85% range of 1RM)
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #348 on: September 26, 2012, 12:14:37 pm »
+1
i love the growing preoccupation on adarq.org with limiting jacking off or having sex. you'd think we were a bunch of boxers in camp before a big fight. anyone know of any research on that? quick pubmed search of "effects of masturbation on serum testosterone" didn't yield anything relevant.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #349 on: September 26, 2012, 12:26:53 pm »
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there are studies out there but i really don't wanna turn my log into a discussion on the merits of abstaining lol

finding myself seduced by the lure of new lifting gear..

exhibit 1.. grey pendlays (i have the whites but they're ugly and i had the heel modified to be lower for when i was a lowbarer but apparently these only have a 0.75" heel? So if i'm after a much bigger heel than my current ones, 0.75" might not be enough anyway)





Cost: ~$115

But then i'm also considering the ristos which have a legit 1-1.25" heel and would be ideal for olympic lifting




These cost $115

And finally a cheapo pair on ebay which goes for around $90





Or I could buy something more expensive and hope it's good enough to last a lifetime etc..



adidas powerperfect ii for ~ $160

Oh and I forgot, another pair I came across..



The AWF pair for $110. The heel looks pretty high on this one too

Honestly I can already do a pretty nice deep upright front squat with my current shoes. If i get one with a bigger heel i might be able to go slightly deeper but it wont help my front squat much. But the reason i'm entertaining new shoes is because i'm hoping a higher heel will help my highbar backsquat to become more upright deep.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #350 on: September 26, 2012, 01:34:02 pm »
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We've had the discussion about masturbation/sex etc before, it just lowers aggression, bascially lowers rate coding etc.

If you have sex then you relax, chill, you don't need to "spread your seed" so you're like "ah, whatever, I don't need/want to be aggressive". I think that's safe to say it reduces your lifting and jumping abilities, basically anything that depends on rate coding etc.

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Re: chasing athleticism -- w3d5
« Reply #351 on: September 28, 2012, 05:10:22 am »
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Training
TMWU 300m, 02:26
FS 2x107.5 (didn't have a 3rd), 2x110 (PR), 0Fx117.5, 0Fx116
BP 6Fx80.5, 6x77.5, 6x75

TMWU 300m, 02:46
HBBS 2x100, 2x1x107.5, 4x100, 3x97.5, 6x92.5, 3x90
5x30m sprints

ABZ - cable crunch 3x5 (+3.75kg from last time, great burn, my abs still feel warm minutes later lol)
       - plank test - got an easy PR of 1 min before it got challenging. So that means i've improved core strength since i haven't done planks in months. Good to know that the ab work i've been doing is paying off!

FS notes:
I had heard but not known until now but these heavy RM attempts really do fuck you up for subsequent lifts. In hindsight instead of that 2nd heavy single i should have attempted a lighter 3RM PR instead. Or even if I had attempted 116 instead of 117.5 in the first place I would have got it. That's another thing, best be realistic and admit a ceiling of 5kg gains per month. So I should try 1kg, 1.5kg, 1kg, 1.5kg jumps over 4 weeks instead of trying for weekly 2.5kg ones as I have been til now and failing them.

Next friday I will attempt the following PRs hopefully with no failures:
106x3, 111x2, 116x1

If I make the above PRs, then the following weeks I will add 1kg or 1.5kg alternating.

Failed 116kg. I lean fwd out of the hole and it makes it difficult to lock the lift out. My question is this - if I had a higher heeled shoe, would I have got that lift? Mine have a heel slightly lower than 1/2". Suppose I had a heel around 1" - would that put me in a position to make that lift rather than to fail it?

HBBS notes:
I stumbled upon a nice little trick I hadn't seen mentioned anywhere else - I thought to explicitly instruct my hips to go forward on the descent. This combined with finding that feeling of sitting between the legs makes the entire thing feel very much how a front squat feels at the bottom. Which is good. Additionally I found by taking a slightly wider stance than usual, I could really stretch out my legs, so much so, rather than being limited by hamstring strength as usual, I felt the tension entirely on my quads.

The bad news is, looking at the video, it doesn't look similar to a front squat. The other caveat which worries me is that it seems to put myself in a rather precarious position if the lift is abortive and must be completed via a squatmorning, because the bar is rather forward. Maybe i'm just not meant to backsquat. Video below.

dessert:

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #352 on: September 28, 2012, 11:48:38 am »
+1

  Lifts look much better.  Dont get too overy critical of minor details that cause you to get frustrated.  Your squat is FOR SURE training your legs in a way that will strengthen them for athleticism.  Sure you can eventually get even more upright and more stable, but what youre doing now is also effective as you continue to improve technically.  Keep trying to improve and dont fall into that "I simply CAN NOT do xxxx".  You can, and look how far youve already come.

  I wouldnt get so frustrated with the missed pr's either.  Some days youre going to have "off" workouts, its many reasons that cause this and some of them are actually positive.  Having a set goal of volume like 30-40 total reps at >80% can really work well for you in those cases, you get some very crucial volume in even though youre not hitting a pr, that will enable future pr's in the next weeks. 
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #353 on: September 28, 2012, 11:56:06 am »
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Just what I needed to hear. Starting monday i'll accumulate volume (30-40 at over 80% is a lot more than i'm used to, almost double,  but i welcome the challenge and hope it does good things for me!) and make sure I do a good quanity of acceptable quality reps each workout. Appreciate it as always Lance, legend!  

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #354 on: September 28, 2012, 01:15:28 pm »
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I looked and I can't find anything! There are of course hardware timing gates (i think this is the technical term) but they cost a fair bit. And i dont need anything fancy just smething I can roll out on my own as a personal project. There are a whole bunch of fitness related apps out ther but nothing for timing sprints unfortunately.

ya man i'd rather be able to do it accurately on my phone too.

nice man sounds like a fun project.

i can't even get that android simulator to run on any of my systems.. really crappy specs.. takes like 20 minutes for it just to load up.

continuing it here so we're not spamming his journal or yours lol

yeah i was sprinting earlier and just before my last 30m sprint as i was resting it came to me in a flash, and i shouted out 'damn thats a good idea'. there were some ppl nearby who must have heard me and thought what's wrong with this guy lol. but yeah, i really think it could be something accurate enough to do the job and what I like about it the best, it will be reliable/reproducible. with hand timing, sometimes you just fumble triggering on and off and it's hard to be consistent. i also hate how hand timing gets in the way of starting and finishing. i heard they found a way to speed up the simulator but i never tried it personally. i'll let you know how it goes when i try it out
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #355 on: September 28, 2012, 04:10:11 pm »
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what lance said. also, it seems kind of weird to go for a 3RM pr, a 2RM pr, and then a 1RM pr. i'd pick one of those three and focus on that for the workout. personally that tends to be 1RM because it's the most fun. but if you've put enough effort in to pr for three reps, what makes you think you'll have enough left in the tank to set a real 1RM pr?
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Re: chasing athleticism -- programming change
« Reply #356 on: September 29, 2012, 02:36:38 am »
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what lance said. also, it seems kind of weird to go for a 3RM pr, a 2RM pr, and then a 1RM pr. i'd pick one of those three and focus on that for the workout. personally that tends to be 1RM because it's the most fun. but if you've put enough effort in to pr for three reps, what makes you think you'll have enough left in the tank to set a real 1RM pr?

Yeah you're right. If my programming is good the 3 rep PR should be slightly less than the 3RM. That's why i'm going to be looking at 1kg and 1.5kg PRs now. So hopefully I can do a heavy triple and then a heavy double and a heavy single which are PRs but not true RMs. If you're asking me why i'm attempting all 3. Well I started with triples and then I got stuck, so i went for doubles and then i got stuck with those and went for singles and got stuck. And because I don't know on a given day which one will succeed and which one will fail, i try all three. Probably not optimal but it's hard to predict which attempts will be successful a priori.

I have to concede my new program isn't working and needs revision. My knees are constantly sore and I am hardly ever fresh. I've also got an insufficient amount of volume for squats and I will be doing more reps starting monday. It now resembles a bodybuilding split with 2 dedicated leg days where I do a shitload of volume. I'm moving the conditioning to the leg days because that way I will give my legs more rest since they'll have 5 days off and 2 very hard days on. Lets see how it goes.



UPDATED: HIIT during the day is stupid unless indoors, so move to PM.

side note, how cool are newbie/memory gains. have only been doing ab crunches for 2 weeks and my upper abs pop out, bulge out underneath the fat. gives me confidence that when i'm done cutting, i'll be able to gain back some of the mass i've lost, eg in upper back, lats and CALVES!!
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Re: chasing athleticism -- w3d7
« Reply #357 on: September 30, 2012, 03:03:37 am »
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I slept awkwardly from wearing my massively oversized jordan hoody on account of it being very cold the night before and woke up left glute pain I used to have all the time when I had chronic sciatica. Thankfully it's gone today though. Very relieved, it was scary there for a while, i didn't want to relive that nightmare again.

Taking today off on the scheduled conditioning sessions. I'm resting up for the next program starting tomorrow where conditioning days coincide with leg training days. So it's no big deal, i'm just going to delay it a day. Hope it works better this time around.
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Re: chasing athleticism -- end of sept progress summary updated
« Reply #358 on: September 30, 2012, 11:24:01 pm »
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BW=81.35kg/179.35lb

~3.6lb over three weeks is not a bad result at all, all things considered. I'm comfortably under 180lb now at least. And very close to slipping into 80kg.

My best front squat in August was 112.5kg, my best FS in sept was 115kg. So I added 2.5kg, whooptydoo. I might have got 116 if I hadn't tried for 117.5 but that's neither here nor there. Anyway i've had enough of shitty progress and i'm going to add volume starting today when I begin my new workout, so things might be on the up. We'll see.

Where is my bodyfat at right now? Still have no accurate idea. It's in that fuzzy region of ~15-20% and could be anywhere there. Extrapolating if I will be 10% at 75kg say then based on that estimate i'll have an lbm of 67.5kg then i'm roughly 18% right now which is reasonable. On the other hand, i have good reason to believe I am at or very close to 15% right now. My waist is under 34" and into the 33s and my bodyfat may well have even slipped underneath 15% already. But until I reach say 12-13%, it's not yet /obvious/ exactly how lean (or fat) I really am right now.

I've been cutting for ages and it's coming up to the time I need to take a scheduled diet break which is set for 15th October and will be 2 weeks long til the end of October..

That gives me 15 days to finish up this cutting phase at my target of being reliably under 80kg (176lb). If things go perfectly and better than expectation i'll get as low as 79.5kg or 175lb but i'll settle for just being under 80kg at this point. I wont be 10% bodyfat at that weight, but i'm confident it will definitely below 15%. This might be too ambitious since losing about 5lb in 2 weeks is unlikely even over 4 weeks leave alone 2 but we'll see what happens. If I get an early whoosh I may just be able to ride it out to a 5lb net loss. If I don't then at least i'll get under 80kg. Only time will tell. 
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Re: chasing athleticism -- w1d1
« Reply #359 on: October 01, 2012, 03:29:29 am »
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Training
FS 4x101 (PR), 3x98.5, 4Fx96 (went real deep on the 4th rep and annoyingly caught the pins, had forgot to adjust them prior or i'm squatting deeper now, otherwise I had that rep easy), 4x94, 4x93.5, 5x92.5 (PR)
1x30m sprint (timed it close to 4.5s w/ camera and I also used t0dday's inspired idea of setting a manual interval)

BS 3x90, 2x100, 4x100, 6x95, 5x93.5, 1x97.5, 3x92.5, 3x92.5, 3x87.5
RDL 3x135 (PR), 10x110 (PR)
DL 2x3x105
HIIT tabata sprints, 14 on, 13off, 7 intervals total
ABZ - 3x8 weighted cable crunch (+5kg)
SSAT 10 mins, about 1km lol (my quads cramped had to stop)

FS notes:
Great squat session. Good form, nice and deep, controlled and solid reps, nice amount of volume. Really happy despite making a few fixable blunders like getting caught by the pins. It was very hot today and different from what i'm used to but I didn't mind it. Nice not having to heat up my knees. I don't think i'll be bothering with getting the knee sleeves until get it gets cold again.

I also found I was going rock bottom deep with weight above 80% so I'm putting on hold any thoughts of getting new shoes. I don't need them, I have sufficient flexibility to make do with a small heel. Later if I need to use a different shoe to squat > 1.75bw then i'll rethink it but for now i'm good.

One thing i'll mention is I made yet another technique breakthrough. I took a really close grip of the bar (like 15mm away from the smooth), this allowed my elbows to be pretty much perpendicular to my torso and nice and high, which allowed me to really get real tight, and this helped stay upright and together. The only concern is if I ever fail a rep and have the bar drop suddenly if i could smash my elbows on my knees? that would be bad. But i dont know if that's even a possibility and i like to think the pins would catch the bar before it got to that? I should do an experiment with the empty bar to see what happens.

Total reps above 80% attempted: 25 reps

Conditioning notes:
HIIT session delayed til evening - i went to the park and tried it but it was too hot and i'm not crazy enough to attempt tabata sprints in those conditions

I did run one max effort sprint. I set the interval timer to countdown to 2s before starting, and i took off at the beep, then it beeped again at 4s. At that point i was pretty close to the finish line. So i'm confident that I can get quite close to 4s if i am a)fresh (i definitely wasn't today), b)i finish cutting and push my strength up. Exciting stuff! All i know is, with a 30m sprint eventually under 4s I shouldn't have any trouble playing competitive basketball at a decent athletic level if I ever decide to play again

HIIT was a killer. I didn't like this session. Last time I felt fully recovered for every sprint but this time 2-3 intervals in and i was panting like a dog and 'sprinting' slowly

I'd just like to point out I ran on the TM today topless and last time I tried that I had to stop and pull on a shirt because of my moobs slapping around. But today there was minimal slapping. See guys, cardio/hiit does magic things for me. Even though i've only lost about a kilo of bodyweight, i've lost a lot of fat because of conditioning. I can't explain it but it's magic and happens every time I start conditioning.

BS notes:
No more HBBS nuff said. See next post for detail.
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