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Re: chasing reactivity
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2015, 03:35:22 pm »
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Oh i see. I'm feeling super pessimistic about my SLVJ though, i dont know if it will improve.. heck, the stuff ive been doing lately seems to have helped my DLVJ more.. lol. I did a casual hammer off a dropstep today and it was not submax but somewhere between. I dont know if my SL is improving or if it will improve. i hope it does but i dont know..

that's kinda why i dont mind doing both in one workout, SL bounds were kinda super easy today.. i know i could do more rounds though, maybe that will be enough.. i'll try nexst time..

totally agree with you that it's not jut about reactivity, it's strength also, i have good glute and ham  and lower leg response from my sundays SLBs so im happy about that. that's why i dont feel so bad abut not doing any gym work. nd i think you are talking to the wrong person, i need the smallest excuse to give evrything up and become obssessed with squats - trust me, not worrying about lifts is a good thing, reactivity (with a strength component) so understood is an antidote to that

i dont agree with chris or anyone who tells me to do suicides or basketball specific work only. i feel strongly that's bad advice just like the guy who doesn't do cardio but only squats thinks he's doing the right thing. this is more about health, fitness, wel being all that good stuff not juts basketball.. much lower on my list of priority is basketball specific conditioning. I also strongly believe basketball specific conditioning will be more effective whence ive laid down an aerobic base. even if that's mumbo jumbo PT talk - i believe it and that's more than i can say about conditioning via intervals/suicides alone
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Re: chasing reactivity
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2015, 03:48:38 pm »
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I can give an argument for why i believe suicides/intervals are not the answer based on my experience of trying it that way. When you dont have a decent base, very quickly those sprints turn into highly breathless super slow jogs. So now you're longer training the energy systems that would take place in a basketball game with a good pace. it's pretty much useless. but if i have a base of fitness, suddenly those breathless superslow jogs turn into, i dont know, submax sprints which much closer to basketball specific..
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Re: chasing reactivity
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2015, 03:53:23 pm »
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The reason why I said don't combine double and single leg bounds in 1 workout is you will mess up the movement efficiency -__-  You do DL bounds then follow it up with SL bounds and your movement efficiency will be messed up at least a little.  You wanna do both?  Do it in separate workouts.

If you wanna do treadmill for your own reasons go ahead. 

No one said to focus on lifts... 

Also, you've been on this SL jumping goal for what, 2 weeks?  Did 2 SL bounding workouts where you're still learning the movement?  Getting hasty with the pessimism, but it's your life.  If you wanna train DL jump go ahead.  SL bounds is not an exercise to improve SL jump.. It's an exercise to improve athleticism, so it will definitely carryover to DL jumps.  Having said that, it is the ideal/best one for SL jumps

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Re: chasing reactivity
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2015, 03:57:09 pm »
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those 2 weeks of SL jumps >> the amount of DL jumps ive done in 2 weeks. I havent done DL jumps seriously since feb. I dont have movement efficiency of DLVJ at all. way more practice with SLVJ. Maybe im being hasty, but idk, i dont feel any improvements forthcoming.. i wish there was. oh well, i'll keep doing it and see what happens.but i'll take your advice and not mix SLB and DLBs in the same workout.
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Re: chasing reactivity
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2015, 04:03:27 pm »
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No one said to focus on lifts... 


My bad, i should have said strength where to me strength = lifts. ive been strength obssessed too long. Didn't do much for athleticism though, i mean it did but not as much i want, so that's what i mean why reactivity vs strength im now choosing reactivity for balance if nothing else. Though i dont really have a choice in the matter, lifts (=strength) are kinda not do-able with my back injury.
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« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2015, 04:05:28 pm »
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Well once the SL Bounds get better, it will also help with max strength so that's good.  Also just on another note, going into this training with an optimistic mindset vs a pessimistic mindset will have a big difference in the outcome

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Re: chasing reactivity
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2015, 04:07:11 pm »
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he's not trying to neglect other aspects, he's just trying to mentally get himself out of the SQUAT OR DIE rut he was in. seems alright to me.
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Re: chasing reactivity
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2015, 04:12:29 pm »
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he's not trying to neglect other aspects, he's just trying to mentally get himself out of the SQUAT OR DIE rut he was in. seems alright to me.

thank you LBSS, that means a lot, you've been following my training all along.

Honestly i needed someone to say, loook maxent, it's in-season (bball),  you've got 130kg ATG FS @6'3", 175lb/80kg, you are dunking powerfull well off a 2-3 step approach.  How about  doing something for reactivity? how about now doing some bounds? If people did tell me that, i didnt listen, i wouldnt listen to it because to me, strength was EVERYTHING and nothing short of 2xBW FS was good enough. Later down the track after getting my squat goals  i'd do the plyo-mumbo-jumbo and get the last coupla inches but it was squats that i believed would get me 90% of the gainz. And honestly that was never a good goal. Maybe i could have done much better for athleticism just doing something less strength focused and more reactivity focused. It's too late now, the horse is out of hte barn, i may never squat heavy again, but im trying to do the reactivity and aerobic fitness work i shoul dhave done before. And that feels good cause i can do it painfree and at least down down i feel i can improve my atheleticism trying something new.

re the video before, iwish i could have worn good shoes not heavy ones 2 sizes too big, i wish i wasnt doing retarded lowcarb diets like at hte time, i wish i had peaked my jump and done some jump specific training. maybe that would have got me to 36" and i could have a windmill on tape.  As it stands i may never have the same ducks in a row where im strong enough and reactive enough and peaky enough to achieve something magical like 36" DLVJ and do a windmill or something amazing like that.
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Re: chasing reactivity
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2015, 04:23:11 pm »
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Jeebus, never once did I say to make the weight room the focus.  All I said was, to me it sounded like you were thinking SLRVJ was all reactivity (due to the word being used constantly).  I'm the one who said to primarily focus on SL bounding, and talking about how it's the greatest thing in the world...

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« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2015, 04:24:52 pm »
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Jeebus, never once did I say to make the weight room hard.  All I said was, to me it sounded like you were thinking SLRVJ was all reactivity (due to the word being used constantly).  I'm the one who said to primarily focus on SL bounding...

of course you didnt. but if you had read my old log  (not sayin you have to .. i mean to explain the context for why i am in this position/mindset) or followed my training (you dont have to, i just mean to get the context), you'd know i dont need to be told strength is important. that's all i meant. ofcourse i didnt have to understand you were telling me to obssess with strength, but it's like telling the drunkard drinking is good just practice moderation, when he needs to hear sobreity is the way. i know i have a complex .. i own up to it.
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« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2015, 04:30:13 pm »
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Jeebus, never once did I say to make the weight room hard.  All I said was, to me it sounded like you were thinking SLRVJ was all reactivity (due to the word being used constantly).  I'm the one who said to primarily focus on SL bounding...

of course you didnt. but if you had read my old log or followed my training, you'd know i dont need to be told strength is important. that's all i meant. ofcourse i didnt have to understand you were telling me to obssess with strength, but it's like telling the drunkard drinking is good just practice moderation, when he needs to hear sobreity is the way. i know i have a complex .. i own up to it :P

Yes you may have needed to hear someone tell you to stop focusing so hard on squats and do some plyo's. 

Umm..  Was I not the one preaching about the importance of SL bounding like it's the greatest thing on Earth?  This whole time I've been saying exactly what you're telling me I am not doing (to focus on bounds), and not once did I say to put a primary on the weight room (which you're saying I did).

It's funny because you say you needed someone to tell you "how bout doing some bounds", when you were doing ineffective SL jump plyo's (tuck jumps) until I explained the importance of SL bounds haha

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Re: chasing reactivity
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2015, 04:34:19 pm »
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Yes you may have needed to hear someone tell you to stop focusing so hard on squats and do some plyo's. 
i probably wouldnt have listened. I would have but not then, it was a delayed this, to-do after getting enough squats (which never happened).  Maybe if lance told me. I mean im pretty sure todday tried but i wouldnt listen to him and he knows his stuff. I feel a lot of regret about that now but cant do anything about that now.

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Umm..  Was I not the one preaching about the importance of SL bounding like it's the greatest thing on Earth?  This whole time I've been saying exactly what you're telling me I am not doing (to focus on bounds), and not once did I say to put a primary on the weight room (which you're saying I did).

It's funny because you say you needed someone to tell you "how bout doing some bounds", when you were doing ineffective SL jump plyo's (tuck jumps) until I explained the importance of SL bounds haha

Yes and im very thankful. Im really grateful. I will follow your advice and i believe it will help my athleticism. And if it doesnnt at least i tried the "other stuff" i should have done before and saw what it got me. Im happy to be on this new path and i wouldnt be on it without your advice so please dont take it the wrong way. My issue is only with the strength thing being a dirty trigger word but i admit i have a complex about that. i am a recovering strength addict so understood. it's a good thing..
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Re: chasing reactivity
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2015, 04:39:17 pm »
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I find it the most frustrating thing to get through mentally with training.  All the would have's, could have's, should have's.  So many things I would change if I can go back in time.  And yet, I still don't learn with experience and keep making mistakes like that lol.  I myself struggle with the whole "I should get my squat up to 2x BW"... Been on 1 long hamster wheel for the most part

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« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2015, 03:57:34 am »
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I will also go with the guys about screw the treadmill, do intervals.
Intervals don't have to be 100% all out ones, where you indeed become a clumsy out of breath tool if you don't have a base. But how about tempos? You will be amazed how fast your body catches up. You see your breaths improving workout by workout. You see the difference in the basketball court too. It is very motivational and rewarding, from my n=1 anyway.
Or, do what i like doing, run some distance first, do some sprints next. A comfortable (slow) mile is 10mins and 5 starting-every-minute tempos sets are 5 minutes, you can get a mile and 3 tempo sets in 30 minutes with the rest times. Very time efficient and all around workout.
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« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2015, 05:02:16 am »
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Also we're in the middle of winter, if im doing intervals it depends on weather it's a wet miserable day or not out. Can run in the park when it's not wet and windy and cold since I can't always depend on the weather to be good when im going to go out to do my conditioning. I really just do think steady state cardio is good stuff though and i wanna do it for recovery/health/wellbeing/general fitness and i know it will carry over to all facets of my training and sport including bball. Intervals will too but ive been told the gainz only last about 3 weeks before they stop coming - so i can alway put in a block of that later down the track when the time is right. But i wanna make a habit of doing cardio regularly first..
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