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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #870 on: July 29, 2015, 12:26:42 pm »
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Ive never really thought abiut it like that. It is an interesting view point and probably has great merit but it just seems to pessimistic for me. I prefer to believe i am capable of whatever i set my mind to. Its been proven many times the mind is stronger than the body, we all have limits but do we reach them mentally (via stagnation, doubt, knowledge, etc) or do we actually reach a physical genetic limit?
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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #871 on: July 29, 2015, 01:08:34 pm »
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Ive never really thought abiut it like that. It is an interesting view point and probably has great merit but it just seems to pessimistic for me. I prefer to believe i am capable of whatever i set my mind to. Its been proven many times the mind is stronger than the body, we all have limits but do we reach them mentally (via stagnation, doubt, knowledge, etc) or do we actually reach a physical genetic limit?

i mean that's cool and all, but you have to remember that you are really, really gifted athletically. tell my toes that my mind should be stronger than this:

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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #872 on: July 29, 2015, 01:14:40 pm »
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Ive never really thought abiut it like that. It is an interesting view point and probably has great merit but it just seems to pessimistic for me. I prefer to believe i am capable of whatever i set my mind to. Its been proven many times the mind is stronger than the body, we all have limits but do we reach them mentally (via stagnation, doubt, knowledge, etc) or do we actually reach a physical genetic limit?

i mean that's cool and all, but you have to remember that you are really, really gifted athletically. tell my toes that my mind should be stronger than this:

Man you are really giving yourself excuses for your lack of improvement lately... Suck it up, just cause you're going in circles constantly don't tell people who are more "gifted" who actually worked hard to improve tons shit like that...  You may have improved since you started but you been on a hamster wheel for a long time...  No need to keep making excuses for yourself as if you have all the knowledge in the world but genetics is holding you back... If you're constantly having shitty workouts where nothing is improving, maybe you don't know what you're doing cause you're clearly not anywhere near your limit... 

Like Chris said, mental limitations are real and you created a big one for yourself

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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #873 on: July 29, 2015, 02:58:59 pm »
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Ive never really thought abiut it like that. It is an interesting view point and probably has great merit but it just seems to pessimistic for me. I prefer to believe i am capable of whatever i set my mind to. Its been proven many times the mind is stronger than the body, we all have limits but do we reach them mentally (via stagnation, doubt, knowledge, etc) or do we actually reach a physical genetic limit?

i mean that's cool and all, but you have to remember that you are really, really gifted athletically. tell my toes that my mind should be stronger than this:

Man you are really giving yourself excuses for your lack of improvement lately... Suck it up, just cause you're going in circles constantly don't tell people who are more "gifted" who actually worked hard to improve tons shit like that...  You may have improved since you started but you been on a hamster wheel for a long time...  No need to keep making excuses for yourself as if you have all the knowledge in the world but genetics is holding you back... If you're constantly having shitty workouts where nothing is improving, maybe you don't know what you're doing cause you're clearly not anywhere near your limit... 

Like Chris said, mental limitations are real and you created a big one for yourself

fuck off. i never said chris didn't work hard. i'm not giving him or anyone with good natural leaping ability shit. and i'm not making a fucking excuse. i'm making an observation, which is that some people recover faster from workouts and injuries than others, and a speculation, which is that i am not on the "fast" end of that distribution. that's it. oh and pointing out that i've had god damn arthritis my my big toes since i was 22. it's not an "excuse" for shit, unless me pointing out that i am not 6'7", 320 pounds and nimble like a ballet dancer is an excuse for me not starting at left tackle for the ravens. if that's an excuse to you, then guilty as charged.

also, i know i don't know what i'm doing. if i could afford a coach then i would have one, but i can't. so i make it up as i go along, i get advice from here (formerly much more advice, when adarq and lance were more active), i get distracted and go off on stupid tangents, i get hurt over and over, and i keep grinding. and it's frustrating -- it's not "lately" that i've been spinning my wheels, it's "most of the time i've been going down this road" -- but i keep trying anyway.

some of the heat in this response is from my own insecurity, the niggling feeling that maybe i'm just a wuss, maybe i should have been more committed or gritted my teeth through that weird feeling in my knee for longer or chosen a career that would allow me more flexibility to train consistently and without interruption instead of one where i've had to travel every 2-3 months. but i don't believe that i'm a wuss, i really don't. my pain tolerance is normal. when my toe hurts, it's because there is not enough cartilage there anymore and my bone is shaped like a little spike. my career choice is what it is and i've dealt with it as best i could.

i have been working at this stupid goal for 5+ years without success. could i have reached it already with a coach and smarter, more consistent training? i bet so. i could also have reached it faster with better genes. but that's not the hand i was dealt. doesn't matter, no excuses, i have to reach my god damn goal anyway.
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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #874 on: July 29, 2015, 03:17:21 pm »
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Ive never really thought abiut it like that. It is an interesting view point and probably has great merit but it just seems to pessimistic for me. I prefer to believe i am capable of whatever i set my mind to. Its been proven many times the mind is stronger than the body, we all have limits but do we reach them mentally (via stagnation, doubt, knowledge, etc) or do we actually reach a physical genetic limit?

i mean that's cool and all, but you have to remember that you are really, really gifted athletically. tell my toes that my mind should be stronger than this:

Man you are really giving yourself excuses for your lack of improvement lately... Suck it up, just cause you're going in circles constantly don't tell people who are more "gifted" who actually worked hard to improve tons shit like that...  You may have improved since you started but you been on a hamster wheel for a long time...  No need to keep making excuses for yourself as if you have all the knowledge in the world but genetics is holding you back... If you're constantly having shitty workouts where nothing is improving, maybe you don't know what you're doing cause you're clearly not anywhere near your limit... 

Like Chris said, mental limitations are real and you created a big one for yourself

fuck off. i never said chris didn't work hard. i'm not giving him or anyone with good natural leaping ability shit. and i'm not making a fucking excuse. i'm making an observation, which is that some people recover faster from workouts and injuries than others, and a speculation, which is that i am not on the "fast" end of that distribution. that's it. oh and pointing out that i've had god damn arthritis my my big toes since i was 22. it's not an "excuse" for shit, unless me pointing out that i am not 6'7", 320 pounds and nimble like a ballet dancer is an excuse for me not starting at left tackle for the ravens. if that's an excuse to you, then guilty as charged.

also, i know i don't know what i'm doing. if i could afford a coach then i would have one, but i can't. so i make it up as i go along, i get advice from here (formerly much more advice, when adarq and lance were more active), i get distracted and go off on stupid tangents, i get hurt over and over, and i keep grinding. and it's frustrating -- it's not "lately" that i've been spinning my wheels, it's "most of the time i've been going down this road" -- but i keep trying anyway.

some of the heat in this response is from my own insecurity, the niggling feeling that maybe i'm just a wuss, maybe i should have been more committed or gritted my teeth through that weird feeling in my knee for longer or chosen a career that would allow me more flexibility to train consistently and without interruption instead of one where i've had to travel every 2-3 months. but i don't believe that i'm a wuss, i really don't. my pain tolerance is normal. when my toe hurts, it's because there is not enough cartilage there anymore and my bone is shaped like a little spike. my career choice is what it is and i've dealt with it as best i could.

i have been working at this stupid goal for 5+ years without success. could i have reached it already with a coach and smarter, more consistent training? i bet so. i could also have reached it faster with better genes. but that's not the hand i was dealt. doesn't matter, no excuses, i have to reach my god damn goal anyway.

I wasnt calling u a wuss.. I was les referring to your toe situation and more referring to ur recent rants about genetics, specifically in ur thread about going to the baseball game stuff saying something along the lines of going to games to have fun like this and genetics is why im not an elite athlete..

Elite athletes and people who make great progress have social lives too you know... That statement really came off as u making a cop out for ur lack of being "elite".. It remind me of fat people who fail to lose weight and go "whatever, i have a naturally slow metabolism so its hard.. At least i enjoy my life by eating what i want unlike others"

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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #875 on: July 29, 2015, 03:44:28 pm »
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i pass up social stuff all the time because it's more important to me to train. multiple times a week i do that.

ONE TIME i decide to do something social on a night when i'd planned to work out doesn't mean i'm a fat person eating pizza and milkshakes every day and wondering why i don't lose weight.

my "rants" about genetics are not rants. they're just observations. i am not a genetically elite athlete, in no single aspect of athleticism am i really elite. the overwhelming majority of people on earth are not, either. chris is an elite leaper, and that's a product of him working hard and being gifted in the first place. i could take a break from life, hire a coach, train my ass off for two years, and still not jump as high as he can. that is life. doesn't mean i can't jump higher than i do, or that i'm near my ceiling. but saying that some people have higher ceilings than others is beyond obvious, i don't really get what the objection is.

EDIT: sorry for the journal hijack, chris.
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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #876 on: July 29, 2015, 03:46:42 pm »
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Are you kidding me?

How about telling me how much I waste my time having pretty much the same ratio of squat/BW in the last 7 years or so, going religiously to the gym and putting as much if not MORE effort than anybody else I know.

No matter what I did, the squat/BW ratio stayed the same all this time. And pretty much everything else. Increase in bodyweight? See SOME increases in strength, but overall the same ratio.

Genetics is genetics, and you can't go around it.

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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #877 on: July 29, 2015, 03:59:38 pm »
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Are you kidding me?

How about telling me how much I waste my time having pretty much the same ratio of squat/BW in the last 7 years or so, going religiously to the gym and putting as much if not MORE effort than anybody else I know.

No matter what I did, the squat/BW ratio stayed the same all this time. And pretty much everything else. Increase in bodyweight? See SOME increases in strength, but overall the same ratio.

Genetics is genetics, and you can't go around it.

Genetics is genetics to a degree.  There is a difference between training properly and making progress that is attainable, and religiously working out but not making progress.  I don't think your squat numbers are even close to the realm of "i'm near my genetic level'

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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #878 on: July 29, 2015, 04:03:09 pm »
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Well I've done everything by the book. You tell me how the same ratio is maintained despite increases in bodyweight? Sounds like a genetic thing to me.

Remember, my "natural" VJ back when I was 15 was "wow I touched the net" level off one leg (12 inches) and I didn't know a two-leg jump was even possible. That's the genetics I was served up with.

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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #879 on: July 30, 2015, 02:20:24 am »
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No need! Its not really a hijack lol, I find it interesting! I do think its partially genetic, partially mental block, and maybe as LBSS stated he just hasn't found the right "formula" or type of lifting that takes him to his genetic peak. While I am probably one of the outliers on this forum in terms of natural ability (I was mid-upper 30s RVJ with no training) Ive still made gains by training. Ive mentioned before my first 8-12 months were basically nothing as I was figuring out how to lift and what worked for my body type/genetics. Partially owing to my more reactive dominance it 'seems' easier for my gains because I think gaining strentgh is MUCH easier than training RFD or reactivity. Id venture to say most of us will find our genetic cap for reactivity well before we realize our strength cap. With that said...those lacking in a reactive quality may benefit from KF style training, just get diesel and train RFD only as much as needed to have proper jump mechanics? IDK just thinking out loud here.

I can say thatwhile Ive put 8+ -ish inches on my RVJ my SVJ is whats had massive gains! Fromid 20s to mid 30s and it has a dorect correlation to my squat and deadlift #s.
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« Reply #880 on: July 30, 2015, 02:28:15 am »
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Oh....another theory that I've seen lately and read a little on is how your genetics may not be so much inherited as they are 'awakened' (for lack of a better term) as a pre teen.

Basically, they say what you do from age 6/7 until you hit puberty has more to do with your ability to run or jump than who your mom or dad are (world class athletes that have kids not withstanding). I sort of agree here. My mom is of average athletic background and my dad played high school sports but from what I can tell he was more an endurance athlete than an explosive one. My younger brother never played sports...he's average athletically. My little sister danced and is slighlty above average. Me? I fell in love with dunking in 2nd grade when I saw Jordan in the finals. I distinctly remember destroying nerf hoops and little goals dunking all the time from then on. I've ALWAYS jumped...and always tried to jump higher than my friends or classmates. I did, but it wasnt a crazy difference until I hit puberty and suddenly my vert took off while other buddies who hadnt been jumping for years stayed around the same.

So...conclusion: either I hit a recessive gene jackpot from my parents or rate coding as children has some merit.

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« Reply #881 on: July 30, 2015, 02:32:27 am »
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Oh did some speed work tonight lol

Hang cleans/power cleans: 2x5 135lbs, 1x5 185lbs.
Jumpsquats: 3x5 135lbs +bands
Speed squat ATG: 225lbs +bands x8, SS 135lbs +bands x12.
KB swings: 50lbs 2x15.
FS: 135lbs 1x5
Straight leg deadlift: 135lbs 1x10.

Round of 2-3 box jumps and depth jumps between every set. Very explosive on the box jumps today!

Skipped last set of FS and Straight leg deads along with hip thrusts and my resistance banded SAQ drills because the wifey got off work early....didnt tell me...then sent some very persuasive texts from bed. So...yea. Shes hot as all fuck and amazing i bed....cardio FTW!
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« Reply #882 on: July 30, 2015, 08:13:42 am »
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So...conclusion: either I hit a recessive gene jackpot from my parents or rate coding as children has some merit.


or both, you know?
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« Reply #883 on: July 30, 2015, 08:46:39 am »
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Interesting discussion! another factor may be cultural. I think you guys in the US are lucky to have a culture of physical performance from an early age. I went to a relatively exclusive private highschool with lots of facilities but we had no weight room and no would ever have thought to get kids lifting. In the US kids have been lifting in school for decades and decades in addition to track and field and competitive sports. We had sports but it wasn't very emphasised except for swimming - and my fav sport football (soccer) then basketball were never popular in my formative years as a teenager. Basketball popularity peaked in the mid nineties thanks to MJ  and was all by dead by the advent of the naughties. I never grew up playing competitive basketball - but i imagine if i had been around guys who were dunking etc at a young age, i would have worked harder to attain something I only thought to be impossible irl. I never saw anyone dunk in front of me throught highschool. I had one friend who was crazy and a bit of a pervert who i remember doing 'jumping exercises' which he called 'hopping like a kangaroo' - i didn't take him seriously but it prob would have helped to build some reactivity at that young age. Unfortunately I had no idea what was possible through training - which isn't something that was emphasised in school days.
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« Reply #884 on: July 30, 2015, 09:39:30 am »
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culture does play a really important role in getting lots of kids into athletics, and i'm sure that's part of why the USA is so good at sports. we're also a huge and very rich country with a lot of genetic diversity. none of that hurts, either.

it's funny to see you talk about us as having an especially physical culture, though. i grew up thinking that australians were the most sporty, active people in the world! meanwhile the US is near the top of the world in obesity and overweight.
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