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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #465 on: March 24, 2014, 11:57:28 am »
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even those (venomenons) are 2/3 heavier than my racing flats. i think about picking up some bball shoes sometimes (low tops, of course) just to see what the difference is like when i'm doing stuff with more lateral movement, but for jumping i dunno. 5 ounces seems like a big difference.
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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #466 on: March 24, 2014, 02:27:51 pm »
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I tend to jump better off two feet in basketball shoes because I can plant more sideways without them deforming... in some running shoes I can't do that at all (maybe I'm too heavy for them?)

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« Reply #467 on: March 24, 2014, 04:36:00 pm »
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I don't think weight has a lot to do with it. Running shoes are just soft and deform to easy. I can't ME jump off two in running shoes either. The speed of my plant is too much for them to handle in any direction. Its another reason I like my basketball shoes to be very 'low riding'. The lower the footbed to the floor the more stable I feel.
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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #468 on: March 24, 2014, 05:13:32 pm »
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anybody tried any other low-top bball shoes? kd's?
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« Reply #469 on: March 24, 2014, 07:52:57 pm »
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I tried on the KD VIs, felt awesome but the tongue design is stupid. If they had a normal styled tongue I would've picked up a pair.
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« Reply #470 on: March 25, 2014, 12:58:10 pm »
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KDs and CP3s are supposed to be built for more horizontal responsiveness, meaning they favor speed and cuts over vert. Never wore them though so can't really tell.
Also the Venomenon review said more or less that it is a cheaper ( and weaker ) Kobe edition, so i'd go with the originals.
About other low tops, i read awesome reviews about the UA bloodline, i currently use the UA Juke which is very similar, same foam ( MicroG ), low-cut but with an ankle sleeve embedded. I like them a lot but i dont love them, the hyperdunks and kobes are better, zoom is always ready to spring you up, not too dense, not too mushy, perfect.
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #471 on: March 25, 2014, 03:34:56 pm »
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KDs and CP3s are supposed to be built for more horizontal responsiveness, meaning they favor speed and cuts over vert.


what does that even mean?
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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #472 on: March 26, 2014, 12:20:48 am »
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Won tonight 112-80. Team played pretty well but to be honest this was a game we should have won anyway. I dropped 34 and had a couple sick no look dishes to the guys when I drove and the D collapsed. Had a huge opportunity to have a big baseline dunk but literally as I was going up there was a foul called. Bah. Got it anyway with just under 2 mins to play when my guy got lost on a screen. I got it clean with one hand but I stepped on a defenders foot in my plant and didn't get up nearly as well as I wanted. Still...it was kind of 'on' the defender even though he couldn't jump since I stepped on his foot by accident lol!

We have a big test coming on Thursday, the team we'll be up against has a 6'7 260+ lb post...who can shoot and dribble. he used to play wing in college and even though he's put on 50lbs he can still ball, its crazy to watch. They also start a 6'5 wing and a 6'2 pg, so we're height disadvantaged at almost every position. Should be a fun challenge.
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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #473 on: March 26, 2014, 07:29:29 am »
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KDs and CP3s are supposed to be built for more horizontal responsiveness, meaning they favor speed and cuts over vert.
what does that even mean?

I don't even know, lol, it sounds weird to me too, just saying what i read. Maybe it is the cushion ( e.g. the CP3s always use this 'podulon' foam ). Or the shoe geometry? Or the cushion quantity ( e.g. they don't have much cushion to keep a very low court feel )? Maybe all together? Beats me , i wanted to try that new adidas energy boost running shoe , not for bball of course, but it would be great for sprints&jumps sessions. I read the same thing in reviews, the energy return is indeed big but somehow it tends to propel you forward, not so much upwards. Engineer-wise, I could speculate a thing or two about how this can happen, but i'd bore the shit out of everyone and it would still be broscience, since i haven't read anything technical about shoes, only the reviews. I might buy them anyway and update you all, this new 'revolutionary' foam on a light low-cut shoe would be the perfect deal for jumps at the parks.
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« Last Edit: March 26, 2014, 09:42:49 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #474 on: March 26, 2014, 08:54:04 am »
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Its cool. I like shoes and it sort of pertains to jumping lol! :)
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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #475 on: March 26, 2014, 10:32:31 am »
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Cool, let's revive this thread then : http://www.adarq.org/basketball/sneakershoe-performance-review-thread/ , you would be an awesome contributor!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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« Reply #476 on: March 28, 2014, 12:01:05 am »
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We lost. Correction, we got hammered.  141-108. No lie they probably had 20+ offensive rebounds. Just too much size and length. Even at that it was a 14 point game with just over 10 to play and we went cold. I played like crap...well I shot like crap. I don't know what was wrong, I was missing shots I normally hit in my sleep. They felt good, they looked good but they went in and out all night. Case in point was a finger roll I laid up; over the rim, cant miss right? Wrong, rolled around the rim twice and spun out. Bah. Also had a dunk go halfway down and out. Granted a 6'4" guy kind of got a hand on it on the way up and I didn't have the best control but it should have been a damn good poster.  If I have my usual game then this game would have been a real good one. I'm taking the blame for this L and saying F it and moving on.

May have a nice workout set up tomorrow,  we shall see. Definitely weights at night though.

Oh and the hops are slowly coming back, it was a little easier to get up quickly tonight so thats a good sign.
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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #477 on: March 28, 2014, 05:46:51 pm »
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Well....realized how exactly out of shape I am. WOW.

My buddy who will be trying out at the USA Select tryouts and I got worked out by a former overseas coach (currently works with the Atlanta Hawks! And played for Flip Saunders O_o ) and man my legs are fried. Lol! Learned a ton   though and it was very eye opening. They're trying to get me to go tryout with my buddy but IDK, im not in competitive game shape. Rec league yea...but with only 4 weeks I'm not sure I could get where I need to be. I'll think about it.

If my legs can recover then I'll hit the weights later.

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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #478 on: March 28, 2014, 06:32:45 pm »
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Well....realized how exactly out of shape I am. WOW.

My buddy who will be trying out at the USA Select tryouts and I got worked out by a former overseas coach (currently works with the Atlanta Hawks! And played for Flip Saunders O_o ) and man my legs are fried. Lol! Learned a ton   though and it was very eye opening. They're trying to get me to go tryout with my buddy but IDK, im not in competitive game shape. Rec league yea...but with only 4 weeks I'm not sure I could get where I need to be. I'll think about it.

If my legs can recover then I'll hit the weights later.

Awesome day!!!

uh, sweet opportunity, congrats on the invite, get your ass in gear. four weeks is plenty of time to kick your own ass and get in some semblance of shape.
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Re: Chris' training journal
« Reply #479 on: March 28, 2014, 06:57:02 pm »
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Yea, probably going to cut back on some volume and replace it with some conditioning work. Which means the hops probably won't go up any lol but thats ok for a short time.
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