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DBT (Dunk Before Thirty)
« on: November 03, 2015, 04:09:01 pm »
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whats going on.  3rd reboot of this journal but im getting after it.  Will no long be on a ship by the end of a year and will have much more consistency in my routine.  Also, I turn 30 in 2019 so it seems like a good goal to focus on.
I have been a poster off and on for a long time (2010 or before) and a inconsistent progress logger.  I NEED to get back to and defeat all my previous PRS and reach a physical fitness level and athleticism level i have never reached.   I am 28 but when i started vert training (18 or even earlier on the old forums terminal vertical i think or even other ones plus db hammer) i was 175 pounds or so and reached some decent numbers for being 5 10 and a half about 7 6 reach (or maybe 7 7)

Former PRS I wish to beat in the next year
-Weight (which will aid almost every other goal) 175! Prob my biggest struggle. Goal is 2 pounds a week slow and keep most of muscle mass
-Running Vert 34.5  (10 4.5 touch) "weak dunks"
Standing 30 inch
Squat at parallel 345 x 4
BSS 100s for 6-8 reps
Bench Press 315 for 6 reps
Pullups deadhang 18
1.5 mile time 9:24


Former VIDS
http://www.adarq.org/pics-videos-links/some-dunk-attempt-rvjs-and-a-few-threes/?topicseen

Former logs
http://www.adarq.org/quitters-deserters/my-basic-journal/
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/jump-really-high(11-feet)-and-get-really-strongcut/

Thats all history im now 28 and weigh about 208.  I have been working out but pretty much only upper body and started to throw in a little BSS and low volume plyos.  Id say im severly undertrained vertical jump wise.  The best way i believe to move forward is to evaluate where i faltered before and after reflection and reading old logs this is what i come up with:
- consistency- this is number 1 for sure, i worked soemtimes for months sometimes for years somedays for days (ouch ) but never pto ut it all together and stayed true to the game plan. This has to change.
 -Body fat-  I was somewhat lean when i started but never where i needed to be to achieve a great vertical jump.  waist is way too big right now.
- Strength ratio-  I had somewhat strong legs but was not developed to where i needed to be repping big weight kingfish style.  Somewhat tangent to body fat.  when i can rep 405 and BSS with 100s for reps then i can reevaluate..
- Jumping-  I am a slow strong two foot approach jumper.  Its not pretty or refined.  Losing weight will help.  Coming from an untrained state lots of low level jumps and then actual verticals will help
Recovery plus sleep consistency
Pushing the limits-  overtraining is bad.  Not going hard in the paint is unexcusable. 

Secondary
- Mobility (YOGA), flexiblity, focus too much on upper body mass, overthinking

Current Stats
SVJ
RVJ
Bench 275 X   , 225 X
Pullups dead hang-
Squat 275 X xx
Waist 34.5 inches
Weight 208




Diet
Going to rate it 1-5
Lots and lots of veggies and lean meats.  Feel good abou what i eat compared to the junk ive had to eat lately. 

sleep+recovery


« Last Edit: February 14, 2018, 11:00:40 pm by bball2020 »

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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2015, 11:01:04 am »
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diet is key, man. 208 is too heavy.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 11:06:07 am »
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diet is key, man. 208 is too heavy.

Lord I'd break the scale then haha!!!

but hey I'm cool with grabbing rim at my current size, when I'm down around the 275lb weight class I can usually dunk consistently. Definitely some motivation there to shed some pounds and improve my athleticism!!!


For jumping no doubt. Kind of bulked and got upper body strength and mass way up past few months. But yea I'm not getting close to a PR without losing serious lbs.

you got the right idea for your goal though, shed a few pounds, hit a few PR's on squat, practice jumping technique, all that fun stuff lol.
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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 03:51:12 pm »
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^^^you're a lot stronger than he is.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2015, 07:38:38 am »
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After re reading old logs again some more observations(still need to check out my old old Db hammer one):

i got decent results being not very strong and only spurts of consistency, need to get 405 on my back and weigh slightly less than 190 with good body to truly dunk consistently IMO (best jumps were at 183-186 body weight range)
-consistency sucked a lot of interruptions
- overcomplicated it- need to get as strong as possible, do jumps, and improve work capacity/body weight issue
-responded way better to consistent workout frequency and just varying volume on days i dont feel great, never PRed after off weeks especially planned deloads.  if i dont feel good just shoot some hoops or do some jump rope or something.
-never reached body fat goals
-distracted by college and bouts of focus on otehr things besides vert (basketball team, college, long distance PRs)
- stay hungry stay focused. 

Need to attack training as follows
3 days in the gym and weight room:
-Good ass warmup (see below)
-Low level Plyos(pogo jumps, side to side, low box jumps, etc) or Max Effort jumps or depth jump or ME plyos (depth jumps at rim) or bounds or sprints.  Will keep it mainly low level plyos and max effort jumps (low volume) until i make some progress and lose some weight no need to overcomplicate this aspect.
-Squat 3x5 keep pushing weight up, throw in MEBM 20 reps adarqui reccomended. 

Core + upper twice a week
pullups and bench
shoulder press
tris bis
good glute activation drills
hip flexor
planks
situps and crunches 

Recovery
stretch foam roll and sleep well

Diet
- lots of veggies and good healthy meals lose them lbs slowly and steadly

Need to get as strong as possible in next 4 months in squat rack.  My jump form/reactivity/ has never been great a lot of room to imrpove.  405 on my back for good reps should do the trick no doubt. 

Fav warmup
Warm up I prefer to use before jumps,sprints, lower lift, ball etc etc


foam roll (in room beforehand)

mobility
rolls into v
side to side
prone scorpions
hip circles
glute bridges
hip stretch x 30 sec
recotris femoris/psaos x 30 sec
hip flexor x 30 sec
advanced glute bridge x 10 w/ 3 sec
jumping jacks x15
jumping jacks seal x 15
squats x 10
toe toeches x 10
leg swings x 10 each way
lateral lunges x 10 each
jump squats x
hip flexor x 30 sec
advanced glute bridge x 10 w/ 3 sec pauses
lateral line jumps 3x5 seconds


need to add to journal
1) SLEEP -
2) PHYSICAL STATE- 
3) STRETCH MOBILITY/FOAM ROLL/ACTIVE RECOVERY-
4) DIET

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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2015, 03:01:23 pm »
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Week 1 get strong

1) SLEEP - only 5 or 6 hour not that good
2) PHYSICAL STATE-  4/5 mostly recovered from the previous session. Good sign
3) STRETCH/ACTIVE RECOVERY-  good foam roll pre workout and pre bed stretches
4) DIET- 4/5- really clean day grilled chicken, shrimp, salad, kimchi, just ate a few too many calories

Warm up- foam roll and stretches. Played a kid 1 on 1 and did pretty well but kid wasn't good

High pogo jumps 4x5   

Squats 3x5 225 felt good and strong first time squatting in a long while
Squat MEBM- 185lbs X 20. Def rough finisher. See how I respond to it next few sessions and day agree

GHR 3x15 body weight

Pull-ups 9, 8, 8. Deadhang 45 degGoal is to increase greatly as I lose weight
Bench 225x10. Not bad hopefully I maintain while I try to cut. Upper work will mainly be just pull-ups and push-ups
Push-ups 1x50 chest to deck


Solid workout day. Expecting some serious DOMS

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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2015, 10:35:10 pm »
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niiice MEBM! you plan to hit those 20 reppers every squat session? if so, legs should explode.

welcome back man.

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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2015, 05:14:57 am »
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Adarqui what up. Yea I plan on hitting those as finishers for awhile at least plus glute ham when possible. Basically trying to get lean and strong usually a tough goal but my squat is pretty detrained at this point so shouldn't be a problem pushing that for a few months
Any other recommendations for MEB?

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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2015, 07:36:52 pm »
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I call those rvjs one-step. The plant 'steps' don't count. Not that it makes any difference but it is nice to have a global reference.
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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2015, 01:40:14 am »
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terminology problem: i call that a two-step jump. the last step is a step. the bit where you have your foot off the floor is a weird false step.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2015, 05:10:26 am »
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terminology problem: i call that a two-step jump. the last step is a step. the bit where you have your foot off the floor is a weird false step.

I agree in general, I count false steps too. But I wouldn't count it in this case, his foot is in the air at all times. He does not gain any speed from the 'back' leg (R) to call it a step, he would push off his L either way.
Foggy area by definition though, not saying I'm right and you wrong, just laying out how I classify them.
Maybe we could call all those cases 0.5 so this one was 1.5?
« Last Edit: November 15, 2015, 05:13:12 am by vag »
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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2015, 05:26:49 am »
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True. Lol of course on this forum my 3 step terminology gets more comments then my trip to Paris during the attacks.

Squat feels great in them shoes

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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2015, 05:31:54 pm »
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Week 2 get strong

1) SLEEP - 6 or so hours 
2) PHYSICAL STATE-  4/5 mostly recovered
3) STRETCH/ACTIVE RECOVERY-  good foam roll night before 
4) DIET- 3/5 decent

Warm up- decent   

pogos 3x10
-Wanted to do some running but tried and almost busted my ass floor to slippery will only do 3 step for now

Squat up to 3x5 275. Felt great and deep ready to bump this up. 
MEBM- 205 x20  felt decent excited to get to 225 soon

GHR 3x10 body weight

Pull-ups 3x10

Some upper body and calf work

Good news and bad.

The bad- I weighed 209 tonight
The good I can still do a weak rim grab. If I keep squatting hard getting strong and get to a reasonable weight for jumping by 2016 (190) I should see instant gainz

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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2015, 01:44:08 pm »
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Week 2 get strong

1) SLEEP - 8 or so hours 
2) PHYSICAL STATE-  4/5 pretty good from all the volume Monday. Feel solos
3) STRETCH/ACTIVE RECOVERY-  stretching and 1 hr yoga session plus foam roll at night
4) DIET- 4/5

Warm up- decent   

Tuck jumps- 3x5

Squat up to 3x5 295lbs. Def a good working weight for the next week or so. Felt heavy on back but got it up with decent Bar speed.  After 3-4 sessions I think I can get back to 315 and close in on previous Strength PRs(at a 15-20lb heavier body weight tho)
MEBM- not today left hip was a little off during the session

GHR 3x12 body weight

Pull-ups a few


Yoga-  1 hr class. Felt pretty solid and I need the mobility and flexibility work. Will try to hit this (free) class up 2-3 times a week.  Should be good for increased mobility/flexibility, recover, stress, and some glute activation as well.

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Re: DUNK finally- if not now when
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2015, 12:55:46 pm »
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Week 2 get strong

1) SLEEP - 7 or so hours 
2) PHYSICAL STATE-  3/5  left hip still a little tweaked. Been stretching didn't feel during squat
3) STRETCH/ACTIVE RECOVERY-  good foam roll and stretch. 
4) DIET- 4/5

Warm up- decent   

pogos 4x5

Squat up to 3x5 295.  Felt great and strong. Hip didn't bother. Bar speed decent. Will post vid.
MEBM- BSS- x20 per leg w/ 10lb dbbells. Will bump weight up felt good. Wanted to work in BSS plus dont think body is quite ready for this squat volume. Will alternate MEBM to regular squat when I feel up to it

GHR 3x10 body weight

Pull-ups 3x10 real nice

Bench 225x8', x6

Some upper body reps

Good Day. Morning weight was 205.8 so thst was solid. Need to drop down before I still more ME jumps in January.  Plan on doing a quick peak block towards middle of February.