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Re: FP's log
« Reply #330 on: July 09, 2016, 11:25:56 am »
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07/07
Hamstring pnf stretches

07/08
Hamstring pnf stretches

DLRVJ x 30 : highest touch 31"  :( tried jumping both indoors and out, same result

Squat: 135x10, 205x8, 255x5, 265x5, 275 4x5 Strong! Depth is nice and low, a significant portion are atg. This is right around PR level. 3 min breaks

RDL: 135x10, 185x10, 205x10, 225 3x10. Maintaining straight back, depth = 1/3 down the shin. However I'm not sitting back enough, my arms aren't perpendicular to the ground: my hands are below my mid back rather than my shoulders.
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« Reply #331 on: July 10, 2016, 05:28:32 pm »
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07/09
60 mins stretches and rolling

07/10
Ultimate Frisbee
Scrimmage: 90 mins
Practice: 90 mins

Feeling really burned out the whole time. We lost 12-15 to a U-19 team. I didn't make any major mistakes, but just didn't really feel like I wanted to be playing. No layouts (dives for the disk), no skies (catches over someone in the air), got a lucky pointblock (knocked down someones throw). We ran some "optional suicides" at the end and I finished last for all of them. By a large margin. One set was about ~800m, one was about 200m. Cramps/hamstring aches after practice.

Could my lack of energy be caused by a high protein/sugar diet? Not very many clean carbs last week, very few fats. Also skipped dinner and had a not large breakfast. I refuse to believe I'm this out of shape, I usually do well at suicides. Also maybe the sprints/PR level squats were a little too much getting back into regular training.

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #332 on: July 11, 2016, 04:48:37 am »
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07/09
60 mins stretches and rolling

07/10
Ultimate Frisbee
Scrimmage: 90 mins
Practice: 90 mins

Feeling really burned out the whole time. We lost 12-15 to a U-19 team. I didn't make any major mistakes, but just didn't really feel like I wanted to be playing. No layouts (dives for the disk), no skies (catches over someone in the air), got a lucky pointblock (knocked down someones throw). We ran some "optional suicides" at the end and I finished last for all of them. By a large margin. One set was about ~800m, one was about 200m. Cramps/hamstring aches after practice.

Could my lack of energy be caused by a high protein/sugar diet? Not very many clean carbs last week, very few fats. Also skipped dinner and had a not large breakfast. I refuse to believe I'm this out of shape, I usually do well at suicides. Also maybe the sprints/PR level squats were a little too much getting back into regular training.

dno, definitely sounds like diet could be the culprit.. sounds like some significant changes out of nowhere, and then not having enough food for dinner and breakfast, all signs point to wreckage.

IMHO, a nutritional rhythm is more important than a training/lifting rhythm.. drastic changes to training/lifting can actually yield some good results (less or more work can give you some short term benefits). Drastic changes in diet on the other hand, can really cause things to go haywire. eating too much or too little can both have a major impact on perception of fatigue, energy levels, strength, endurance, anaerobic performance.

so i wouldn't let it get to you just yet.. just try to get that diet on point and keep it consistent.

pc!




07/08

Squat: 135x10, 205x8, 255x5, 265x5, 275 4x5 Strong! Depth is nice and low, a significant portion are atg. This is right around PR level. 3 min breaks

nice!!

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #333 on: July 14, 2016, 09:42:48 pm »
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So I got video of some more indoor jumps and I'm definitely getting a pretty significant push off the wall.. So my indoor jumping numbers were wrong from the beginning. My 3-step PR of 35.5" was on a BBall court so that still stands.

Since the last update I've had 2 quick squat sessions, 2 league games and 2 DLRVJ sessions. Managed repeatable 34's outdoors today, so hopefully if I squat consistently working up to singles, throw in some depth jumps and more serious glute work I'll hit a PR pretty soon. Additionally I really need to do sprints and core work but I still don't know what makes up a good core workout that will carry over to jumps/change of direction/speed. Before I used to do weighted plank variations but I'm not sure they are effective :/

I have a 2 day tourney this weekend so I'll do some throwing, depth jumps and short sprints tomorrow to prepare

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« Reply #334 on: July 15, 2016, 11:22:57 am »
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So I got video of some more indoor jumps and I'm definitely getting a pretty significant push off the wall.. So my indoor jumping numbers were wrong from the beginning. My 3-step PR of 35.5" was on a BBall court so that still stands.

Since the last update I've had 2 quick squat sessions, 2 league games and 2 DLRVJ sessions. Managed repeatable 34's outdoors today, so hopefully if I squat consistently working up to singles, throw in some depth jumps and more serious glute work I'll hit a PR pretty soon. Additionally I really need to do sprints and core work but I still don't know what makes up a good core workout that will carry over to jumps/change of direction/speed. Before I used to do weighted plank variations but I'm not sure they are effective :/

I have a 2 day tourney this weekend so I'll do some throwing, depth jumps and short sprints tomorrow to prepare

Planks are terrible.

Side plank is alright.

Get on a decline bench. Put bar behind head.  Do sit-ups.  Reverse direction.  Do leg lifts with a heavy db.  Simple

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« Reply #335 on: July 15, 2016, 12:35:02 pm »
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toes to bar easier on back, also quite challenging.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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« Reply #336 on: July 18, 2016, 11:12:21 pm »
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I'll get on it

Tourney didn't go great. We went 1:5 W:L. During our 2nd game, we came really close to upsetting the 4th seed (out of 20), a team I got cut from. After that, or team seemed to just not care and proceeded to get railed. Our offensive scheme has little organization and is the root of our problems, and our team constantly gets beaten in the air (although I didn't personally).

I played pretty consistent throughout, went for 8 layout D's, only ended up getting 1 of them. 3 were really close. Otherwise not much to report.
Things to improve
1.Throws need lots of work.
2.Being able to jump better out of a sprint would be very helpful. Being more bouncy in general
3.Quicker first 3 steps
4.Better awareness to get poach blocks on defense. But then I'm usually covering the best cutter on the other team so maybe it's not really an issue of awareness.

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #337 on: July 19, 2016, 01:59:52 am »
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why are planks terrible? situps are definitely not "easy" on the back

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« Reply #338 on: July 19, 2016, 09:00:09 am »
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why are planks terrible? situps are definitely not "easy" on the back

Because any decent athlete can hold a plank for far too long for it to be at all functional in training.  Side planks are the exception.  In general though static holds are surprisingly not the best way to train abdominals...  Trainers think that because the abdominals obviously play a role as a stabilizer that static holds make sense - the abs can experience continuous tension without keeping the entire body still - this is actually how they act as a stabilizer in what might be the best an exercise of all time - sprinting. 

As far as sit-ups terrible for the back - I don't totally agree.  Sure loading with your back on a decline crunch puts a ton of compressive force on your spine, but then again you can keep your spine straight and bend from your hips - especially of the negative.   Sure, you need a strong back, you need strong hip flexors.  This is why I don't favor them as a volume exercise.  Get your volume in with decline leg raises with a dumbbell.   If an athlete is to do 100 reps of abdominals I'll have them do about 10-20 reps of heavy decline sit-ups or negative holds, then around 50 reps of some leg lift variation, then about 30 reps of some type of static hold or anti extension work...

Far better than a plank is the following.  Do a push-up.  Now do a push-up with your hands together (like a diamond) but in front of your head.  The farther in front of your head (i.e. Straight arms reaching all the way forward) the harder the movement... Now the abs are under tension thoughout the movement which is far better than a plank. 

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #339 on: July 19, 2016, 09:38:25 am »
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my n=1 is that heavy weighted decline situps fuck up my back if i do them too frequently or too intensely. much prefer toes-to-bar; ab wheel rollouts also good.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #340 on: July 19, 2016, 10:49:32 am »
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I also fucked up my back with heavy weighted sit ups so I don't wanna risk it anymore. One of the best exercises in my opinion are heavy carries with db's, kb's or even normal farmers handles if available. You can a lot of different variations. Like heavy load in both hands. Heavy load in one hand on the side and the other weight over head. Both hands overhead etc. Just grab some weights and walk... simple but very effective and imho a lot more "functional" than doing leg raises or decline situps...

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« Reply #341 on: July 19, 2016, 02:59:48 pm »
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I also fucked up my back with heavy weighted sit ups so I don't wanna risk it anymore. One of the best exercises in my opinion are heavy carries with db's, kb's or even normal farmers handles if available. You can a lot of different variations. Like heavy load in both hands. Heavy load in one hand on the side and the other weight over head. Both hands overhead etc. Just grab some weights and walk... simple but very effective and imho a lot more "functional" than doing leg raises or decline situps...

Functional?  Functional if you training to be a strongman or to carry heavy things, sure.  Functional if your goal is to run fast?  Not so much.  Core strength in sprinting and jumping is about being stiff to allow you to transfer power - watch Justin Gatlin torso stay extremely stiff and still while his legs produce tons of power...  Heavy farmers walks have the weight in your hands - this doesn't make sense for sprinters.

my n=1 is that heavy weighted decline situps fuck up my back if i do them too frequently or too intensely. much prefer toes-to-bar; ab wheel rollouts also good.

Obviously LBSS makes a point.  We are all N=1.  There is no must do exercise.  If an exercise causes injury to your body you don't need to do it.  There are great athletes who don't do lots of exercises.  As blasphemous as it sounds you can even become a great athlete with squats! 

However, there are a few exercises that do past the "ability test".  What I mean by that is not that you must use it as a training tool but that in my observation of sprinters where N == A LOT - I have seen very very very few fast athletes who cannot execute it well if given time to acclimate to it.  Obviously this is a continuum.  Some sprinters can bench press a great deal but I have seen many sprinters who can't bench press much at all even when given time to learn the exercise.  For squats this is less true.   Two of the exercises I find to be by far the most correlated with sprinting speed are:

1) Heavy overhead backwards shot tosses 
2) Weighted decline situps

I don't mean all sprinters train with these exercises.  But show me a sprinter who runs 10.5 and is given a mens shot put and shown how to throw it backwards and cannot throw it 15 yards and I will be shocked.  I haven't seen one.  Dan Pfaff goes further with this and claims it actually is extremely strongly correlated in female** sprinters and he gives specific speed and shot throw distance relationships. 

For decline situps I am talking about the following exercise.  Grab a 45lb barbell.  Hold it behind your back like a backsquat*.  Get in a 45 degree decline bench and keep your abs and back tight and lower controlled till you touch your upper back only to the bench and rise back up to sitting.  Flex hip flexors to bring body up.  Yes it is an ab and hip flexor exercise.  They are a team!  Most people cannot do even one rep.  Almost all good sprinters can bang out 5-10 of these the first time they learn it. 

* It's important that you hold the bar like this.  Not just cause it makes it harder but because it saves your back.  When you hold weight across your chest its natural to bend at the spine to bring your upper torso up to your legs and fold your body over.  This is what messes up your back.  Having the bar in back squat  position doesn't take the back out of it but IMO it makes it obvious when failure should be (the point where you can't do more reps without wrenching your back). 

** While Dan Pfaffs claims seem almost too specific it does not surprise me that he finds a better relationship for females.  Men often ruin exercises because they are strong.  There are probably men whose massive upper body strength allows them to throw a shot far behind their head despite no hip strength which probably ruins this relationship.  I haven't trained that many women but it really is the key to understanding the relationship between proper strength training and performance.

*** Again, not saying that an exercise is a must do - just adding that there are some exercises that are compelling to try because of their association with performance.  Could be a chicken and egg argument - not proof of anything just food for thought.   Agree with LBSS that toes to bar is a good ab exercise, not a huge proponent of ab wheel.  I would rather have an athlete do toes to bar, weighted and unweighted leg raises on decline bench, and extended push ups...

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #342 on: July 19, 2016, 03:15:52 pm »
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Okay might actually give them a try holding the bar the way you described it. Screwed my back up holding the weight across my chest so you are probably right that this is the cause of the problem. I still think that heavy carries are a good way to train core strength though.
What do you think about doing situps on a GHD machine (with a straight back and not overarching the back)? No decline bench at the crossfit gym I train at over the summer. Have never done toes to bar before so will try them as well.

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #343 on: July 19, 2016, 06:02:30 pm »
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Just hit a 3-step L-SLRVJ  :personal-record: of 31", previous best 27.5"!!!!! Just completely ridiculous. Also 2" higher than my 3-step R-SLRVJ PR. WHAT.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87STQIKA8ZA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87STQIKA8ZA</a>

BW: 184

possible reasons for this PR:
-started session with 20-30 SLRVJ's out of a 30m sprint, hitting 20"-25" on most of these jumps. The 25"s I slowed down a lot for.
-jumping barefoot, first time jumping barefoot with SLRVJ
-starting in athletic position, letting my body fall forward like a sprinting drill

Seriously. What the fuck.

About core training, any thoughts on anti-rotation exercises? I notice my torso rotates considerably when I run.

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« Reply #344 on: July 19, 2016, 06:29:27 pm »
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Just hit a 3-step L-SLRVJ  :personal-record: of 31", previous best 27.5"!!!!! Just completely ridiculous. Also 2" higher than my 3-step R-SLRVJ PR. WHAT.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87STQIKA8ZA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87STQIKA8ZA</a>

BW: 184

possible reasons for this PR:
-started session with 20-30 SLRVJ's out of a 30m sprint, hitting 20"-25" on most of these jumps. The 25"s I slowed down a lot for.
-jumping barefoot, first time jumping barefoot with SLRVJ
-starting in athletic position, letting my body fall forward like a sprinting drill

Seriously. What the fuck.

About core training, any thoughts on anti-rotation exercises? I notice my torso rotates considerably when I run.

Do you play frisbee in cleats?  Do you need to be able to jump in cleats? 

Do you have a video of yourself running?  We have hijacked the hell out of your journal discussing core exercises! 

Best anti rotation exercise is running curves.