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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4470 on: March 25, 2018, 10:00:15 am »
+3
friday

- walk 4 km in 58:29
stretching legs after car ride. narrowly avoided getting pulled into an old guy's house for tea.

saturday

- walk 9.5 km in ~2:45:00
up miranjani top, 2992m/9816'. 605m/1985' elevation gain from the start of the hike. walked with my friends most of the way; they moved slower than me; most people do on hikes. toward the end of the ascent i got impatient and just barreled ahead, was huffing and puffing pretty good. the air is noticeably thinner above 2000m.

today

- run 8.25 km in 40:54
very easy, kept strictly to four breaths in, four breaths out. knees a wee bit achey now but i except that'll go away shortly.

- stretch
« Last Edit: March 25, 2018, 11:38:35 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4471 on: March 27, 2018, 03:16:55 am »
+3
- run 8.59 km in 44:07
dead legs. running in the morning is hard, always takes me a couple km to warm up, but i just never got warm today. four breaths in, four breaths out is my new cue for relaxed pace, forces me to take it easier than three in, three out.

TRAINING/GOAL UPDATE

i've signed up for two races on my whirlwind US-europe tour in may. this obviously gives me some hard targets to work toward, which is a blessing because if gives the calendar shape for the next couple months, and me an excuse to kick my training up a notch. hello, overload. i'm going to follow a version of the competitor.com "six weeks to a faster 5k plan," (http://running.competitor.com/files/2015/07/6-Weeks-5K-Training-Plan.pdf) modified slightly to accommodate some travel i have upcoming (dushanbe, for the first time in 2.5 years, which should be nice but is annoying because tajikistan is a ridiculous country that you can't fly to from the gulf anymore, smh) and my desire to have a time trial before i race for the first time in 16 years.

easy pace is 5:08 according to their calculator. joe was right, gotta slow down.

25-31 march
sunday: 8.25km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 8.59km easy
wednesday: ~2km warm up, hill repeats 45s x 8 @3:30, ~2km cool down
thursday: 8km easy, strides 20s x 6
friday: rest
saturday: 12km easy

1-7 april
sunday: 6.5km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 3km warm up, intervals 500m x 8 @3:55 w/90s rest, 3km cool down
wednesday: 8km easy
thursday: 8km easy, strides 20s x 6
friday: rest
saturday: 13km easy

8-14 april
sunday: 8km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 3km warm up, hill repeats x 10 @3:30 w/2:00 recovery, 3km cool down
wednesday: 8km easy
thursday: 9.5km easy, strides 20s x 6
friday: rest
saturday: 8km easy, 6km @4:25

15-21 april
sunday: 8km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 2km warm up, 5km time trial, 2km cool down
wednesday: 6.5km easy
thursday: 5km easy, strides 20s x 6
friday: rest [DEPART FOR DUSHANBE]
saturday: 15km easy, 30s x 10 @3:30 sprinkled in

22-28 april
sunday: 6.5km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 3km warm up, 5km @4:10, 3km cool down (treadmill)
wednesday: 6.5km easy
thursday: 8km easy (treadmill, replace strides with alternating lunge jumps)
friday: rest
saturday: 6km easy, 6km @4:25 (treadmill) [RETURN TO ISLAMABAD]

29 april - 5 may
sunday: 8km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 3km warm up, intervals 1km x 5 @ 3:55 w/ 60-90s recovery, 3km cool down
wednesday: 8km easy
thursday: 8km easy, strides 20s x 6
friday: rest
saturday: 15km easy, 60s x 10 @3:30 sprinkled in

6-12 may
sunday: 8km easy
monday: 3km warm up, intervals 500m x 8 @3:55 w/60s recovery, 3km cool down
tuesday: 10km easy
wednesday: 8km easy
thursday: rest [DEPART FOR US]
friday: 4km easy
saturday: rest

13-19 may
sunday: HOPE FOR HENRY MOTHER'S DAY 5K
monday: rest
tuesday: 8km easy
wednesday: 8km easy, strides 20s x 6
thursday: [DEPART FOR LA]
friday: rest
saturday: rest

20-26 may
sunday: 10km easy [DEPART FOR LISBON]
monday: rest
tuesday: 3km warm up, intervals 1km x 5 @3:55, 3km cool down
wednesday: 10km easy
thursday: 8km easy, strides 20s x 6
friday: 8km easy [DEPART FOR LONDON]
saturday: rest

27 may - 2 june
sunday: 8km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 4km easy
wednesday: CHASE THE SUN WIMBLEDON 5K
thursday: rest
friday: rest/hike
saturday: rest/hike
« Last Edit: March 27, 2018, 03:25:15 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4472 on: March 27, 2018, 10:53:51 pm »
+1
new workout plan off to an awesome start: felt sick from late morning until bed yesterday, slept badly, still feel sick/weak. cool! rest and lots of hydration today, better luck tomorrow.
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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4473 on: March 28, 2018, 11:28:10 am »
0
- run 8.59 km in 44:07
dead legs. running in the morning is hard, always takes me a couple km to warm up, but i just never got warm today. four breaths in, four breaths out is my new cue for relaxed pace, forces me to take it easier than three in, three out.

that's how I was for many months, trying to get used to morning running. now i'm good! hah. if I can become a morning runner, anyone can :D I think it helps too: cooler weather, lower HR, and just a beautiful time to run .. Also most groups/etc have early morning sessions so, that eventually becomes something you can tag along with more easily. Finally, races! Since they are early, you will be more prepared. So training in the morning like this has more specificity! :ibrunning:

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TRAINING/GOAL UPDATE

i've signed up for two races on my whirlwind US-europe tour in may. this obviously gives me some hard targets to work toward, which is a blessing because if gives the calendar shape for the next couple months, and me an excuse to kick my training up a notch. hello, overload. i'm going to follow a version of the competitor.com "six weeks to a faster 5k plan," (http://running.competitor.com/files/2015/07/6-Weeks-5K-Training-Plan.pdf) modified slightly to accommodate some travel i have upcoming (dushanbe, for the first time in 2.5 years, which should be nice but is annoying because tajikistan is a ridiculous country that you can't fly to from the gulf anymore, smh) and my desire to have a time trial before i race for the first time in 16 years.

easy pace is 5:08 according to their calculator. joe was right, gotta slow down.

25-31 march
sunday: 8.25km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 8.59km easy
wednesday: ~2km warm up, hill repeats 45s x 8 @3:30, ~2km cool down
thursday: 8km easy, strides 20s x 6
friday: rest
saturday: 12km easy

1-7 april
sunday: 6.5km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 3km warm up, intervals 500m x 8 @3:55 w/90s rest, 3km cool down
wednesday: 8km easy
thursday: 8km easy, strides 20s x 6
friday: rest
saturday: 13km easy

8-14 april
sunday: 8km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 3km warm up, hill repeats x 10 @3:30 w/2:00 recovery, 3km cool down
wednesday: 8km easy
thursday: 9.5km easy, strides 20s x 6
friday: rest
saturday: 8km easy, 6km @4:25

15-21 april
sunday: 8km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 2km warm up, 5km time trial, 2km cool down
wednesday: 6.5km easy
thursday: 5km easy, strides 20s x 6
friday: rest [DEPART FOR DUSHANBE]
saturday: 15km easy, 30s x 10 @3:30 sprinkled in

22-28 april
sunday: 6.5km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 3km warm up, 5km @4:10, 3km cool down (treadmill)
wednesday: 6.5km easy
thursday: 8km easy (treadmill, replace strides with alternating lunge jumps)
friday: rest
saturday: 6km easy, 6km @4:25 (treadmill) [RETURN TO ISLAMABAD]

29 april - 5 may
sunday: 8km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 3km warm up, intervals 1km x 5 @ 3:55 w/ 60-90s recovery, 3km cool down
wednesday: 8km easy
thursday: 8km easy, strides 20s x 6
friday: rest
saturday: 15km easy, 60s x 10 @3:30 sprinkled in

6-12 may
sunday: 8km easy
monday: 3km warm up, intervals 500m x 8 @3:55 w/60s recovery, 3km cool down
tuesday: 10km easy
wednesday: 8km easy
thursday: rest [DEPART FOR US]
friday: 4km easy
saturday: rest

13-19 may
sunday: HOPE FOR HENRY MOTHER'S DAY 5K
monday: rest
tuesday: 8km easy
wednesday: 8km easy, strides 20s x 6
thursday: [DEPART FOR LA]
friday: rest
saturday: rest

20-26 may
sunday: 10km easy [DEPART FOR LISBON]
monday: rest
tuesday: 3km warm up, intervals 1km x 5 @3:55, 3km cool down
wednesday: 10km easy
thursday: 8km easy, strides 20s x 6
friday: 8km easy [DEPART FOR LONDON]
saturday: rest

27 may - 2 june
sunday: 8km easy
monday: rest
tuesday: 4km easy
wednesday: CHASE THE SUN WIMBLEDON 5K
thursday: rest
friday: rest/hike
saturday: rest/hike

^^ awesome!!!@$@$ Love when it's all laid out like that. Great to see you committing to some races. Your training will easily turn up a notch, just from that.

can't wait for Joe vs LBSS too!! :ninja:



new workout plan off to an awesome start: felt sick from late morning until bed yesterday, slept badly, still feel sick/weak. cool! rest and lots of hydration today, better luck tomorrow.

that sucks tho.. haha!!!! :(

but ya, rest & lots of hydration!

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4474 on: March 29, 2018, 12:02:13 am »
+3
- run 7.5 km easy, strides 20s x 6 w/ 60s walk recovery
slightly worried that the weird pulling sensation i've been getting for years now on my right knee whenever i try to sprint would flare up during the strides but it didn't. cautious fist pump.

- stretch

total distance 8.89 km, total time 47:35
« Last Edit: March 29, 2018, 12:06:57 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4475 on: March 31, 2018, 12:23:55 pm »
+2
- run 12.01 km in 1:05:49
first 5.7km with gf, so very slow (~5:45). last 6.3km right around goal pace (5:08).

- stretch
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4476 on: March 31, 2018, 05:15:02 pm »
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- run 7.5 km easy, strides 20s x 6 w/ 60s walk recovery
slightly worried that the weird pulling sensation i've been getting for years now on my right knee whenever i try to sprint would flare up during the strides but it didn't. cautious fist pump.

nice!!! :headbang: hopefully you've been "working that issue out of existence". running did that for me initially with some knee issues.

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total distance 8.89 km, total time 47:35

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4477 on: April 01, 2018, 11:07:40 am »
+5
- run 6.67 km in 36:00
first ~4 km with gf again. a little quicker than yesterday but not much. picked up the pace a bit for the last ~700m, below 4:05, just for funsies.

- a little core and push/pull stuff
just to start doing it again

- stretch

feel nice. hungry now.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4478 on: April 02, 2018, 11:27:52 pm »
+2
- run 3 km warm up

- intervals 500m x [1:51, 1:55, 1:59, 1:59, 1:58] w/90s rest
supposed to be 8 but i was dying on the last one. shut it down, build fitness patiently, do not injure self.

- run 2.3 km cool down

- stretch

total distance 8.74 km, total time 43:34

hills make it harder. i tried to keep pace even on the ups and downs but beginning to think i should sell out a little more on downhills and be a little more patient on uphills. it's easy to sail downhill in <3:30 but even a moderately steep uphill at <4:00 is taxing. probably better as a race strategy anyway.

adarq, thoughts on that? you live in the flatlands but i'm curious. joe, too.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4479 on: April 03, 2018, 08:11:55 am »
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Matching effort rather than pace for the different graded sections seems like a reasonable thing to do.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4480 on: April 03, 2018, 10:09:11 am »
+1
Matching effort rather than pace for the different graded sections seems like a reasonable thing to do.

well now that you put it that way it seems obvious. good point.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4481 on: April 03, 2018, 12:52:15 pm »
+1
- run 3 km warm up

- intervals 500m x [1:51, 1:55, 1:59, 1:59, 1:58] w/90s rest
supposed to be 8 but i was dying on the last one. shut it down, build fitness patiently, do not injure self.

- run 2.3 km cool down

- stretch

total distance 8.74 km, total time 43:34

hills make it harder. i tried to keep pace even on the ups and downs but beginning to think i should sell out a little more on downhills and be a little more patient on uphills. it's easy to sail downhill in <3:30 but even a moderately steep uphill at <4:00 is taxing. probably better as a race strategy anyway.

adarq, thoughts on that? you live in the flatlands but i'm curious. joe, too.

I sell out on the uphill and i'm more patient on the downhill. Apparently i'm a good climber: i've been told this by a few very experienced runners, which is funny considering i've trained mostly on flat terrain. So maybe that's a good mentality: go hard up, relax (but still go fast because it's downhill) down. I don't like forcing pace on downhills in training, i'd rather go hard uphill, then relax/be safe on the downhill, since downhill is much more intense to me. It's probably the harder (perception-wise) of the two options but I feel it's the safest/most beneficial. When I relax on the downhill, once it evens back out, i'm pretty much still on pace.

For racing i'm not sure tbh .. I seem to do good when I attack the uphill. I did that in that ultra relay and the MPS superhero 5k, with great results. I slowed down considerably up the bridge in the Tropical 5k and that turned out to be awful. I think for me though, i'm just too cautious going downhill. So if I go slow uphill, i'll go slow downhill as well. The only time I gunned it downhill was the very last 1.25 mile rep of that ultra relay, in which I went all out on the downhill. Was scary but awesome. lool.

That's my experience with it. :highfive:

:D :ibrunning:

Matching effort rather than pace for the different graded sections seems like a reasonable thing to do.

^^ nice way of putting it.

Tho like I mentioned above, I personally prefer going harder up, and less hard down. But ya agree completely on just switching to "effort based" control at that point.

I really feel like i'm "attacking" inclines. It's an interesting mental shift. Maybe that mental shift also helps on the way back out of it (downhill & flat). dno.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4482 on: April 03, 2018, 11:28:07 pm »
+1
right, opposite of what joe said. lol. but then i wonder how you'd run if you lived in an actually hilly area. or what your pace actually looks like when you attack hills relative to flat pace. like it may be that attacking the hills still means slowing down below the overall target pace. especially when i'm dealing with hills that are particularly long or steep. well, i'll play around with both and see what feels right.

thanks.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2018, 11:31:15 pm by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4483 on: April 04, 2018, 11:18:06 am »
+2
- run 8.35 km in 42:30
5:05 pace. takes concentration to run that slow, natural desire is to go faster. calves cramping a little bit now post-run. gonna slow down as it gets hotter.

- stretch
also foam rolled calves a bit.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4484 on: April 04, 2018, 12:05:00 pm »
+3
- run 8.35 km in 42:30
5:05 pace. takes concentration to run that slow, natural desire is to go faster. calves cramping a little bit now post-run. gonna slow down as it gets hotter.

- stretch
also foam rolled calves a bit.

Nice! Slow running ftw.

Mastering slow running is one of the secrets to this running stuff, i've learned. Everyone is always concerned with the effects on the cardiovascular system etc, so going too slow seems useless to most people .. However, when running very slow, learning how to really relax and keep the legs/arms snappy/loose/completely relaxed seems to be incredibly effective at making one faster. It took me a long time to figure that out. It's also hard to explain. But I noticed it one day when I was at the track, running 6:0x pace. I could feel myself trying to run "slower" in order to hit the pace - which was making me tired. Trying to run slower feels like i'm "applying the brakes". Then I started focusing on trying to remove that "braking tension" and my hips opened up, legs became snappier, and I still hit that pace but it felt effortless. So that's what I try to do when i'm running slower (even snail snow). I try to remove as much "braking force tension" as possible. When I "figured this out", it immediately struck me as an "ah ha" moment, with what I see from how these elites (and especially Kenyans) run etc. Kenyans run with no brakes. :ibrunning: I think learning how to remove the brakes while running slow, has substantial transfer to then running faster (with less tension/tightness/brakes) in races.

I think learning how to turn off the brakes is perhaps one of the most critical components to this art. A good analogy would perhaps be, driving a car with the foot on the gas and some degree of applying the brakes as well. How to just ingrain motor patterns of simply hitting the gas, no matter the pace? ;d

Not sure if that makes sense to anyone or if it makes more sense now that I brought it up.