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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5415 on: December 05, 2020, 11:22:18 pm »
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^^^ A+ advice thanks adarq.

nice, glad it made sense. np!

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5416 on: December 06, 2020, 04:30:07 am »
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I a also agree with Andrew's approach.  And i mean i agree 100% , i couldn't have written it better, or even that good, trying to express my own POV on this.
Just 2 quick notes : 1) it is a matter of personality too. This approach suits me perfectly but im a big time procrastinator. 2) In that approach, there will always be a lot of "what if?"s. Even when you achieve targets, you always wonder what u could reach if fully committed. You gotta be able to live with that.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5417 on: December 06, 2020, 01:31:08 pm »
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^^^ no doubt.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5418 on: December 06, 2020, 07:13:54 pm »
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I a also agree with Andrew's approach.  And i mean i agree 100% , i couldn't have written it better, or even that good, trying to express my own POV on this.
Just 2 quick notes : 1) it is a matter of personality too. This approach suits me perfectly but im a big time procrastinator. 2) In that approach, there will always be a lot of "what if?"s. Even when you achieve targets, you always wonder what u could reach if fully committed. You gotta be able to live with that.

i think i've written about this before on here but if so it was years ago, so: this is the reason i started down the dunking path in the first place 10+ years ago. got to the end of college realizing that i'd never really gone balls-out at a really difficult goal. i got a BA and went to the junior olympics and got a job, had friends, had had girlfriends, but basically by coasting on my privileges and whatever natural gifts i have. i'd never really committed to ultimate, so i wasn't that great at it. my family couldn't afford for me to really commit to fencing, so i topped out by going 1-4 and finishing ~160th out of ~200 at the JOs. i was a B or B+ student in high school because my work ethic was, shall we say, average. but i did some neat extracurriculars and crushed the SAT (a garbage test designed to reward people like me) so got into a good university.

one of my good friends in college was a straight-A student who worked relentlessly hard. she applied herself diligently to school and also got involved in some organizing stuff. at some point in college, comparing myself to her, i self-diagnosed as a coward. i started to understand not working hard is a defense mechanism: if i can do well enough at X or Y without pouring myself into it, well, i'm sure i could have aced it like those other people if i'd just worked harder. or if i do badly at it, then i could have done well enough if i'd tried. dunking was a goal that i knew i would have to work very hard and very doggedly at if i had any hope of reaching it. in other words, i'd have to fully commit. i suppose it helped that it had no extrinsic value.

in retrospect, i think "cowardice" is probably too harsh or too judgmental a word. and the fact of the matter is, if my parents could have paid for more coaching, i doubt i'd have reached the elite tier anyway. i'm just not that athletic. if i'd studied harder in high school or college, what benefit would have accrued to me that i didn't get from my B+ GPA? i might have become a marginal elite ultimate player, actually, because the pool is still relatively small and if you've got great skills you can overcome a lack of speed. but i'd never have been a star.

the thing is, i'm a basically happy person. part of me wishes i was more crazily committed to a particular goal, there's something romantic and amazing about people who just go for it 100%. but i'm just not. and i'm not sure i'd trade my general contentment for the drive to be exceptionally great at something.

point being, i'm learning to live with the "what ifs." playing guitar is a case in point: i'm a true beginner in my mid-30s, and wouldn't it be nice if i'd started 20 years ago? but i didn't, and it's okay. similar with running. wouldn't it be nice if i didn't have so many other interests, or if i were naturally faster, or if i weren't so injury prone, or if i were willing to sacrifice more to keep to a strict schedule? well, no (except the injury part), and in any case it's a moot point. i am who i am. the dunk journey did teach me to be more disciplined and more dogged, and it inspired in me the desire to be really fit. but it didn't fundamentally change my personality.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5419 on: December 07, 2020, 12:12:54 am »
+3
I a also agree with Andrew's approach.  And i mean i agree 100% , i couldn't have written it better, or even that good, trying to express my own POV on this.
Just 2 quick notes : 1) it is a matter of personality too. This approach suits me perfectly but im a big time procrastinator. 2) In that approach, there will always be a lot of "what if?"s. Even when you achieve targets, you always wonder what u could reach if fully committed. You gotta be able to live with that.

i think i've written about this before on here but if so it was years ago, so: this is the reason i started down the dunking path in the first place 10+ years ago. got to the end of college realizing that i'd never really gone balls-out at a really difficult goal. i got a BA and went to the junior olympics and got a job, had friends, had had girlfriends, but basically by coasting on my privileges and whatever natural gifts i have. i'd never really committed to ultimate, so i wasn't that great at it. my family couldn't afford for me to really commit to fencing, so i topped out by going 1-4 and finishing ~160th out of ~200 at the JOs. i was a B or B+ student in high school because my work ethic was, shall we say, average. but i did some neat extracurriculars and crushed the SAT (a garbage test designed to reward people like me) so got into a good university.

one of my good friends in college was a straight-A student who worked relentlessly hard. she applied herself diligently to school and also got involved in some organizing stuff. at some point in college, comparing myself to her, i self-diagnosed as a coward. i started to understand not working hard is a defense mechanism: if i can do well enough at X or Y without pouring myself into it, well, i'm sure i could have aced it like those other people if i'd just worked harder. or if i do badly at it, then i could have done well enough if i'd tried. dunking was a goal that i knew i would have to work very hard and very doggedly at if i had any hope of reaching it. in other words, i'd have to fully commit. i suppose it helped that it had no extrinsic value.

in retrospect, i think "cowardice" is probably too harsh or too judgmental a word. and the fact of the matter is, if my parents could have paid for more coaching, i doubt i'd have reached the elite tier anyway. i'm just not that athletic. if i'd studied harder in high school or college, what benefit would have accrued to me that i didn't get from my B+ GPA? i might have become a marginal elite ultimate player, actually, because the pool is still relatively small and if you've got great skills you can overcome a lack of speed. but i'd never have been a star.

the thing is, i'm a basically happy person. part of me wishes i was more crazily committed to a particular goal, there's something romantic and amazing about people who just go for it 100%. but i'm just not. and i'm not sure i'd trade my general contentment for the drive to be exceptionally great at something.

point being, i'm learning to live with the "what ifs." playing guitar is a case in point: i'm a true beginner in my mid-30s, and wouldn't it be nice if i'd started 20 years ago? but i didn't, and it's okay. similar with running. wouldn't it be nice if i didn't have so many other interests, or if i were naturally faster, or if i weren't so injury prone, or if i were willing to sacrifice more to keep to a strict schedule? well, no (except the injury part), and in any case it's a moot point. i am who i am. the dunk journey did teach me to be more disciplined and more dogged, and it inspired in me the desire to be really fit. but it didn't fundamentally change my personality.

I think there's some really salient points in here.

Cowardice is a big one for most people I think. More simply it's fear of failure which is actually the fear of what other people will think of us if we do/don't do a particular thing. If we fail will they laugh at us, leave us, no longer be friends, etc. All of these are often untrue as often no one cares if you fail at these things. (See Robert Glover's - No More Mr Nice Guy).

I have nothing to back this up but I believe the ability to commit 100% is a genetic thing. When I think of anyone who has that singular focus it's been with them from day 1.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5420 on: December 07, 2020, 04:21:57 am »
+3
That was an awesome read.  I am surprised to how many points in there i totally relate to!
FWIW i think it is not cowardice for sure. And i am not being coward to accept i am coward ( ta daaaaa! ).
If I had to pick a words that bashes what you (we) do , i would chose selfish, self-indulgent, maybe some generic mild form of hedonism.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5421 on: December 07, 2020, 08:38:43 am »
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i dunno about that, vag, i feel like self-indulgence or hedonism are separate, for me anyway. for me it really is about ego defense, closer to what coges talked about, although again there i don't feel like it's linked to fear that other people will laugh at me or think less of me or whatever. it's more like i've got an idea in my head of what i could do if i really tried hard and i don't want to find out if it's true or if i'm not as talented as i thought it was. that's why dunking was a perfect test case: the motivation was completely internal, no one else gave a shit whether i got there or not.

in any case that fear has lessened as i've gotten older, it's something i've come to terms with.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5422 on: December 08, 2020, 05:28:40 pm »
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- run 52:30, 10.35 km
pretty chilly (low 40s) and breezy but weirdly my hands and wrists didn't get as cold as on the previous few runs.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5423 on: December 09, 2020, 05:30:13 pm »
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- run 53:39, 10.79 km
colder but not windy. my old kinvara 10s are starting to tear, need a new pair of shoes. guess i'm gonna bite the bullet and try the new endorphin speeds. will be interesting to see how i feel with an 8mm drop.

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Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5424 on: December 10, 2020, 03:42:07 pm »
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found out today that i got an A+ on my dissertation. according to the rubric they gave us at the beginning of the year, my score is just shy of proper journal publication quality. so when we get the official results i'm going to ask my adviser what i'd have to do to upgrade it into publishable shape. that put a smile on my face.

also have spent the last couple of days repainting the front hall and staircase in my parents' house. got a bit more to do tomorrow, but god what a great task. requires full focus but very little mental processing power and it's obviously screen-free. good stuff.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5425 on: December 10, 2020, 05:10:57 pm »
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- run 56:10, 11.24 km
a little milder today
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5426 on: December 10, 2020, 11:58:13 pm »
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found out today that i got an A+ on my dissertation. according to the rubric they gave us at the beginning of the year, my score is just shy of proper journal publication quality. so when we get the official results i'm going to ask my adviser what i'd have to do to upgrade it into publishable shape. that put a smile on my face.

also have spent the last couple of days repainting the front hall and staircase in my parents' house. got a bit more to do tomorrow, but god what a great task. requires full focus but very little mental processing power and it's obviously screen-free. good stuff.

damn dude that's solid. great work :almostascoolasnyancat: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :goodjobbro:

and these light ~hour runs are so beneficial.

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« Reply #5427 on: December 12, 2020, 12:02:50 pm »
+3
I a also agree with Andrew's approach.  And i mean i agree 100% , i couldn't have written it better, or even that good, trying to express my own POV on this.
Just 2 quick notes : 1) it is a matter of personality too. This approach suits me perfectly but im a big time procrastinator. 2) In that approach, there will always be a lot of "what if?"s. Even when you achieve targets, you always wonder what u could reach if fully committed. You gotta be able to live with that.

i think i've written about this before on here but if so it was years ago, so: this is the reason i started down the dunking path in the first place 10+ years ago. got to the end of college realizing that i'd never really gone balls-out at a really difficult goal. i got a BA and went to the junior olympics and got a job, had friends, had had girlfriends, but basically by coasting on my privileges and whatever natural gifts i have. i'd never really committed to ultimate, so i wasn't that great at it. my family couldn't afford for me to really commit to fencing, so i topped out by going 1-4 and finishing ~160th out of ~200 at the JOs. i was a B or B+ student in high school because my work ethic was, shall we say, average. but i did some neat extracurriculars and crushed the SAT (a garbage test designed to reward people like me) so got into a good university.

one of my good friends in college was a straight-A student who worked relentlessly hard. she applied herself diligently to school and also got involved in some organizing stuff. at some point in college, comparing myself to her, i self-diagnosed as a coward. i started to understand not working hard is a defense mechanism: if i can do well enough at X or Y without pouring myself into it, well, i'm sure i could have aced it like those other people if i'd just worked harder. or if i do badly at it, then i could have done well enough if i'd tried. dunking was a goal that i knew i would have to work very hard and very doggedly at if i had any hope of reaching it. in other words, i'd have to fully commit. i suppose it helped that it had no extrinsic value.

in retrospect, i think "cowardice" is probably too harsh or too judgmental a word. and the fact of the matter is, if my parents could have paid for more coaching, i doubt i'd have reached the elite tier anyway. i'm just not that athletic. if i'd studied harder in high school or college, what benefit would have accrued to me that i didn't get from my B+ GPA? i might have become a marginal elite ultimate player, actually, because the pool is still relatively small and if you've got great skills you can overcome a lack of speed. but i'd never have been a star.

the thing is, i'm a basically happy person. part of me wishes i was more crazily committed to a particular goal, there's something romantic and amazing about people who just go for it 100%. but i'm just not. and i'm not sure i'd trade my general contentment for the drive to be exceptionally great at something.

point being, i'm learning to live with the "what ifs." playing guitar is a case in point: i'm a true beginner in my mid-30s, and wouldn't it be nice if i'd started 20 years ago? but i didn't, and it's okay. similar with running. wouldn't it be nice if i didn't have so many other interests, or if i were naturally faster, or if i weren't so injury prone, or if i were willing to sacrifice more to keep to a strict schedule? well, no (except the injury part), and in any case it's a moot point. i am who i am. the dunk journey did teach me to be more disciplined and more dogged, and it inspired in me the desire to be really fit. but it didn't fundamentally change my personality.

Really interesting to read your introspections on this, personally wouldn't call it cowardice at all although I see lot's of similarities in myself here so maybe I'm kidding myself.

Committed most of my teen years to basketball with the idea for some time I could go somewhere with it (even it just a college scholarship in the states which is a massive deal being from the UK) but never made it. Luckily I knuckled down on my academics thanks to this and achieved relative academic success here, whilst basketball quite quickly became something I barely thought about. Dedicated a couple of years to lifting weights with the idea of competing at a reasonable level then just kinda gave up as life got in the way. Also had a phase of being obsessed with guitar but gave it up which I really regret because I'd love to be able to play an instrument, keep telling myself one day I'll give it a go again.

In running I've found something that brings me satisfaction purely from just doing it, outside of competition which is nice and I'm not sure I'll ever give it up. From the start I kind of accepted I'll never be an elite runner and it's nice to not kick myself for periods of slow progress/regression.

Ultimately I think overall life contentment comes from finding balance in your life and acceptance of the person you've become and I'm sure people who have thrown everything at a single goal and sacrificed other aspects of their life have regrets too, hell I kinda wish I'd enjoyed the freedom of my teen years more than I did.

All we can really do is live in the moment, find satisfaction in the little things. Dwelling on what could have been isn't going to bring happiness and there will always be 'coulda shoulda's' if you do.

Uh I'm rambling and funnily as I was typing this let it bleed by the rolling stones came on... 'you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes... You'll get what you need'.

Sorry for rambling/hijacking your log!

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5428 on: December 13, 2020, 07:59:53 pm »
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no need to apologize! i think this is spot on, as well: "I'm sure people who have thrown everything at a single goal and sacrificed other aspects of their life have regrets too." life is full of trade-offs.

- run 1:39:53, 17.01 km
yeah that's the stuff, 5:52 average pace. did this in the dark and used my new headlamp for the first time. on the plus side, it's comfortable, didn't budge or bounce around at all, and lights up the ground enough that i can see where i'm going even in proper darkness. on the minus side, places where it's properly dark have lots of wildlife and frankly it freaks me out to look to the side and see deer like six feet away. they're probably harmless but still i don't trust the fuckers.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5429 on: December 15, 2020, 06:10:25 pm »
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- run 58:29, 11.65 km
chilly, in the 30s (~5 celsius). legs a little heavy going out the door but once i settled in this felt great. i like the route i did, too, combining two other ones into a nicer loop.

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we're supposed to get 2+ inches of snow and ice tomorrow so let's see what conditions are like in the morning. snow could be fun, to a point, but i ain't running on ice.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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