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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6495 on: April 14, 2026, 08:19:52 am »
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- run 57:21, 10.48 km w/ 3 x strides
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6496 on: April 15, 2026, 07:43:40 am »
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- specific speed
-- warm up
-- 5 x [1 km @ 103-105% MP, 1 km @ 90% MP]
-- cool down
pretty easy, although humid and warm again this morning: T+DI 138. RPE 6, had to concentrate to run the recovery intervals slow enough. Rx was 5-6 and i definitely had 6 (or 7+) in me, but i had to go to the bathroom so badly that i called it at 5 and ran home. barely made it.  :-X
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6497 on: April 15, 2026, 10:44:23 am »
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i've started having marathon anxiety dreams. over the weekend there was one where i got the start line feeling good and ready and then realized that i had forgotten all my gels. and then the marathon turned out to be most running through apartment buildings, up and down stairs and jumping across alleyways from building to building, like in an action movie. last night i had one where the course was a double out-and-back but the first part was inside my friend walker's house in LA, and at some point i just started only running within the house. i lost track of how far i'd gone and panicked when i realized i'd been running the course wrong. and then he told me that there was a survey for participants to fill out, so i took a break to fill it out before realizing that i was losing even more time and didn't have to do it until after the race.

nerves, much?

also, it occurs to me for the first time that labyrinths or mazes (e.g., running through houses or apartment buildings, from room to room, while not being sure how to go or what will be around the next corner) have long been a motif in my dreams. wonder what that's about.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6498 on: April 16, 2026, 08:51:35 am »
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- run 58:15, 10.46 km
fuck a heat wave. it was 93/34 yesterday, high today will be similar. too hot for april. should come down next week. tomorrow i'll be able to start checking toledo weather for race day. day before should be rainy and cool which is NICE. let us pray.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6499 on: April 17, 2026, 07:11:34 am »
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- run x
got dressed and out the door this morning but turned around at the end of the block. haven't had this feeling in a while where it just seems like my body is actively fighting my brain's desire to run. decided to listen to body this morning. not sure where that comes from: sleep has been okay and training load hasn't been especially high, i've been firmly in the gray on intervals.icu for a while now. i may try to run later if i feel a bit peppier, or may just take the full extra day off. worried that the rest will slip me toward "peaking" shape too soon but hopefully tomorrow's workout will balance things back out.

ETA: wife pointed out that i might be a bit dehydrated. that's actually plausible.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6500 on: April 18, 2026, 02:44:18 pm »
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- MP intervals
-- warm up
-- 2 x [3 km @ ~marathon effort, 1 km jog]
-- cool down
hot today, T+DI 140. ran by feel. first set averaged 4:34, second 4:29. Rx was a 13 km progression run but (1) i've never gotten the hang of those and (2) couldn't be bothered to drive down to the flat course.

intervals.icu fitness graph has me dipping into "fresh," which i was afraid of, but i'll just stick to the plan and hopefully be sharp next sunday.

weather for race day looks like it'll be in the low 50s/~11 and partly cloudy. that's on the warm side of what i've been hoping for but could be worse. fingers crossed it's at least that good!
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6501 on: April 19, 2026, 12:15:26 pm »
+1
- run 1:07:22, 12.90 km
30 degrees colder than yesterday and raining. legs felt good, calves less tight than they have in days.

- run/walk 18:08, 2.10 km
with my mom, who is trying to get back into running at age 70! she signed up for a 5k in late may. proud of her.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6502 on: April 20, 2026, 06:46:01 am »
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back in "fresh," i think i need to stop checking that chart because it's giving me anxiety, lol  :-X
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6503 on: April 21, 2026, 08:01:38 am »
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- run 1:13:07, 13.66 km
cold snap continues, it was barely above freezing when i left the house.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6504 on: April 22, 2026, 07:31:28 am »
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- supportive speed
-- warm up
-- 6 x [4 min @ 104-107% MP, 2 min jog]
-- cool down
reps in 4:06, 4:05, 4:03, 4:02, 4:01, so actually like 106-108%, but RPE was 6 so right on target. HR peaked at 161, and that only right at the end of the final rep.

tib anteriors felt a bit heavy during warm up but the feeling went away and my legs feel great now. last workout before the race, rest of this week will be easy or easy+strides. i think i will run on saturday morning, very short with a few strides. see how that does. getting excited, the rest of the track group all wished me luck and that felt surprisingly nice. been running with them for almost a year and a half now, which has been the single most important factor in turning me into a consistent runner.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6505 on: April 23, 2026, 08:08:04 am »
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- run 1:03:50, 11.56 km
weird twinge of pain in my left ankle about 7.5 km. went away in a couple of minutes but still, notable. legs felt okay, neither good nor bad.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6506 on: April 24, 2026, 08:21:37 am »
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- run 55:18, 10.00 km w/ 4 x 20s strides + 1 x 20s strides
the last stride rep was to beat a red light at the most annoying road crossing on this route. fairly steep downhill on that one. time to pack and then hit the road.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6507 on: Today at 07:08:25 am »
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yesterday

- marathon race in 3:07:12 (chip), 3:05:56 (watch)
measured distance was 42.39 km, which accounts for most of the discrepancy between the times. failed to hit sub-3:05, which was the A goal, but did get sub-3:10 and i had enough gas left at the end to pass a bunch of people in the final miles. split was pretty close to even but slightly negative, 1:33:30 and then 1:32:26 using the watch record. my legs started to get tired around mile 19 - there was a big hill between miles 18 and 19, the only real one on the course - but i never hit the wall. plenty to be happy about despite not hitting the A goal. conditions were good, overcast and high-40s/low-50s, although it was pretty breezy and some of the more exposed sections were into a meaningful headwind.

but one huge frustration: i had to stop to go to the bathroom twice! lost around 90 seconds to those stops. the second one, right after the halfway point, i even had to take a shit. what the hell! i went to the bathroom about 45 minutes before the race started but i started to have to pee again a few minutes later and the lines were too long to go again closer to the gun (horn). i could probably have gotten away with just peeing at the second stop but it wouldn't have taken much less time and at that point i figured if i was going to stop, i might as well get whatever was in there out to minimize the chances of a third stop.

it sucks to think that i could have run 3:05 official and even sub-3:05 on my watch if not for my stupid bladder. gonna have to do some research around that. IIRC, i never had to use the bathroom during the 50k back in october. during the JFK i did, during the first segment.

couple other data points/reflections:
  • my right peroneal hurt and felt swollen for the first 10 km or so. my shins have been bugging me for the last week or so, which has been weird and came seemingly out of nowhere. something else to research. and my left ankle also bugged me off and on for the first 10 km. shins were also probably the most tired single muscle group at the end of the race as well, and even this morning, although overall i feel pretty good right now.
  • my intervals.icu fitness graph is interesting to look back at. in the green for pretty much all of january and february, then dipping down to blue when i got sick in early march, then back into the green for a few days before going up into the blue again during the ski trip. but then from about march 22-april 16, it's in the grey. started to dip into the blue again last weekend, as previously noted, and had just tipped into the blue on saturday, which is good. but i didn't feel as fresh as i've felt at other times. that shin feeling is part of it. i know copeland says "in the green, too keen; in the gray, okay." but i kind of felt like i was gaining more fitness during the early going and the graph seems to bear that out.
also, i just revised my threshold pace down to 4:03, from 4:12. the latter was probably too conservative, 4:03 is what my watch estimates for me right now and it is spot-on with predicted race times (1:28:09, 3:06:16 full; bathroom breaks be damned), so i'll go with that.
  • i basically stopped strength training or doing any kind of soft tissue work at least a month before the race. that's probably not ideal.
  • mileage averaged 72 km/45 miles per week, against a plan target of 85/53. i also never actually reached the peak mileage, getting close to 100 km a few times early on but never crossing it. that includes the ski week, which i knew about going in, and also getting sick for a few days in march. but mileage dropped significantly in the last 6-7 weeks, especially the two weeks leading up to the half. it looks like that basically explains the transition from green to gray on the intervals.icu training graph, which i suppose makes sense. on the plus side, apart from the illness and the ski trip, i only skipped two planned training days. never got hurt during the block and so i think in the next build i could shoot for higher mileage overall. and i think it's time to just switch to running every day. that will make it easier to raise weekly mileage and also reduce the impact of missing the odd day.

long story short: i'm glad to have done it and given it what i had. some things to figure out for the next one. and now, i'm even more motivated than before to break 3 hours.

as a side note, the winner ran 2:05, a huge course record. glass city is usually pretty fast for a mid-sized (~5,000 runners between the half and the full) race: the announcer at the start said about a third of entrants usually qualify for boston. but not that fast. impressive! and unlike the kenyans who just destroyed the WR in london, he's probably not juiced to the gills.

ETA: just signed up for the richmond marathon on november 14. it's a "local" - richmond is about 2.5 hours away - so i know a lot of people who have done it and everyone loves it. reddit, too. seven-ish months to see if i can knock 8 minutes off my time from toledo, including four months with an infant. let's go. 
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6508 on: Today at 11:31:00 am »
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yesterday

- marathon race in 3:07:12 (chip), 3:05:56 (watch)
measured distance was 42.39 km, which accounts for most of the discrepancy between the times. failed to hit sub-3:05, which was the A goal, but did get sub-3:10 and i had enough gas left at the end to pass a bunch of people in the final miles. split was pretty close to even but slightly negative, 1:33:30 and then 1:32:26 using the watch record. my legs started to get tired around mile 19 - there was a big hill between miles 18 and 19, the only real one on the course - but i never hit the wall. plenty to be happy about despite not hitting the A goal. conditions were good, overcast and high-40s/low-50s, although it was pretty breezy and some of the more exposed sections were into a meaningful headwind.

but one huge frustration: i had to stop to go to the bathroom twice! lost around 90 seconds to those stops. the second one, right after the halfway point, i even had to take a shit. what the hell! i went to the bathroom about 45 minutes before the race started but i started to have to pee again a few minutes later and the lines were too long to go again closer to the gun (horn). i could probably have gotten away with just peeing at the second stop but it wouldn't have taken much less time and at that point i figured if i was going to stop, i might as well get whatever was in there out to minimize the chances of a third stop.

it sucks to think that i could have run 3:05 official and even sub-3:05 on my watch if not for my stupid bladder. gonna have to do some research around that. IIRC, i never had to use the bathroom during the 50k back in october. during the JFK i did, during the first segment.

congrats dude! awesome effort! i still cannot imagine being out on my feet for that long, let alone chugging along at a serious pace for over 3 hours  :ibrunning:

couple other data points/reflections:
  • my right peroneal hurt and felt swollen for the first 10 km or so. my shins have been bugging me for the last week or so, which has been weird and came seemingly out of nowhere. something else to research. and my left ankle also bugged me off and on for the first 10 km. shins were also probably the most tired single muscle group at the end of the race as well, and even this morning, although overall i feel pretty good right now.
  • my intervals.icu fitness graph is interesting to look back at. in the green for pretty much all of january and february, then dipping down to blue when i got sick in early march, then back into the green for a few days before going up into the blue again during the ski trip. but then from about march 22-april 16, it's in the grey. started to dip into the blue again last weekend, as previously noted, and had just tipped into the blue on saturday, which is good. but i didn't feel as fresh as i've felt at other times. that shin feeling is part of it. i know copeland says "in the green, too keen; in the gray, okay." but i kind of felt like i was gaining more fitness during the early going and the graph seems to bear that out.
also, i just revised my threshold pace down to 4:03, from 4:12. the latter was probably too conservative, 4:03 is what my watch estimates for me right now and it is spot-on with predicted race times (1:28:09, 3:06:16 full; bathroom breaks be damned), so i'll go with that.
  • i basically stopped strength training or doing any kind of soft tissue work at least a month before the race. that's probably not ideal.
  • mileage averaged 72 km/45 miles per week, against a plan target of 85/53. i also never actually reached the peak mileage, getting close to 100 km a few times early on but never crossing it. that includes the ski week, which i knew about going in, and also getting sick for a few days in march. but mileage dropped significantly in the last 6-7 weeks, especially the two weeks leading up to the half. it looks like that basically explains the transition from green to gray on the intervals.icu training graph, which i suppose makes sense. on the plus side, apart from the illness and the ski trip, i only skipped two planned training days. never got hurt during the block and so i think in the next build i could shoot for higher mileage overall. and i think it's time to just switch to running every day. that will make it easier to raise weekly mileage and also reduce the impact of missing the odd day.

long story short: i'm glad to have done it and given it what i had. some things to figure out for the next one. and now, i'm even more motivated than before to break 3 hours.

i've been wondering about strength work in the closing weeks before a race -- feel like during the peak weeks, dropping it probably make  sense since you want every ounce of recovery to be going available for the maximal specific load, but bringing back a couple of old-school verkhoshansky peaking lift things in the taper might make sense? not really sure -- would be curious what the top guys do.

as a side note, the winner ran 2:05, a huge course record. glass city is usually pretty fast for a mid-sized (~5,000 runners between the half and the full) race: the announcer at the start said about a third of entrants usually qualify for boston. but not that fast. impressive! and unlike the kenyans who just destroyed the WR in london, he's probably not juiced to the gills.

hey sawe might maybe kind of possibly be clean: https://www.instagram.com/p/DXm6p-TFWv9/

also, lol, this toledo marathon winner got a mention in the magness video on london: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69NbsEvYFkM&t=1150s
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6509 on: Today at 02:22:39 pm »
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thanks! the duration itself didn't feel hard, i do think the fact that i've raced longer distances helps anything shorter feel more manageable. i wasn't moving at a "serious pace" in either of the ultras i did last year but that sensation of needing to try hard just to keep my legs turning over was not new. the JFK took me more than 2.5 times as long.

in re: strength work, davis does recommend deprioritizing it closer to the race, but i bailed on it too early IMO. part of the problem is just that it's a hassle to get to the gym, and my workouts didn't/don't need to be long, so it seems weirdly out of balance. 45-minute round trip to do 30 minutes of work. hopefully getting stuff for the house will make it easier to just keep a baseline level of consistency.

i hope it's true about sawe. and man that's funny about toledo getting a shout-out from magness, i didn't realize it was the third-fastest time ever for an american. that's wild. well, i bet it'll be more popular with elites and sub-elites next year.
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