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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #225 on: October 19, 2016, 12:08:35 am »
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIlh4JWXKaA

goal now is to make this consistent. i think my max vert is now sitting in between the mid 30s and high 30s. don't think i have the best genetics, but i'm confident that i can get to 40. just have a very slight ache in my left knee still, think im just gonna keep foam rolling and stretching it i guess. may try cross friction massage on it and maybe even acupuncture.

Where in the knee? Don't go sticking needles into tendons and ligaments haphazardly.

probably the quadricep tendon, very very close to the kneecap though. and yea, of course i'm not gonna go about doing it by myself at home, i'm gonna get a professional to do it. or do you think getting a professional to do it is haphazard too?

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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #226 on: October 19, 2016, 09:15:28 am »
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knee aching scale:

1 foot jumping: guaranteed ache
2 foot jumping: minor ache sometimes
trap bar deadlift: very minor ache
deadlift: nothing
pistol squats: nothing

also, the knee pops when i extend it a lot, and i've actually made it a habit, like cracking your knuckles. there's like a sort of pressure that builds up like how it builds up with your fingers. sitting builds it up the most i think. if i'm seated for a while, i can definitely feel it building up, so i'll extend my leg, and it'll make a big pop and it'll relieve it lol.

the other way it "pops" is when i foam roll and i have pressure on the quad. this time though, there's a 100% chance of it "popping", but this feels like a different kinda. hard to explain, but when i do it it feels like theres like some kind of stuff in my knee, maybe scar tissue?

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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #227 on: October 19, 2016, 10:32:49 pm »
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIlh4JWXKaA

goal now is to make this consistent. i think my max vert is now sitting in between the mid 30s and high 30s. don't think i have the best genetics, but i'm confident that i can get to 40. just have a very slight ache in my left knee still, think im just gonna keep foam rolling and stretching it i guess. may try cross friction massage on it and maybe even acupuncture.

Where in the knee? Don't go sticking needles into tendons and ligaments haphazardly.

probably the quadricep tendon, very very close to the kneecap though. and yea, of course i'm not gonna go about doing it by myself at home, i'm gonna get a professional to do it. or do you think getting a professional to do it is haphazard too?

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. I'll assume not. For a start I don't know whether you mean acupuncture or dry needling. Acupuncture really doesn't have any scientific justification. From my understanding, dry needling is slightly different in that it's more targeted to specific trigger point areas and I have heard plenty of anecdotal evidence from people in the business. But you have to ensure it's done right and there's always a small risk of tendon/ligament rupture given you're creating small (temporary) weak point in the tissue. We had a guy who had dry needling constantly on his achilles tendon, and while it would help him get through the next day's training he'd invariably pull or tear it a few days/weeks later. My old coach was very against injections in tendons/ligaments whether it was a cortisone shot or acupuncture needles because of the risk of subsequent tendon rupture under heavy load, which he's seen a few times. Again, all anecdotal; YMMV and it could potentially help for pain relief, but it probably doesn't fix the issue.

IMO, a far better and less risky approach to solving your quad tendinopathy is to get a PT/myotherapist etc. to look at your hip and ankle mobility/stability using SL squats and other functional movements. Then get the dysfunctional muscles worked on and start doing the relevant corrective strengthening exercises. Every dynamic knee fault that isn't some sort of congenital defect is most likely caused by upstream (hip) or downstream (ankle) joints and the associated muscles, more often than not around the hip.

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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #228 on: October 19, 2016, 11:47:43 pm »
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIlh4JWXKaA

goal now is to make this consistent. i think my max vert is now sitting in between the mid 30s and high 30s. don't think i have the best genetics, but i'm confident that i can get to 40. just have a very slight ache in my left knee still, think im just gonna keep foam rolling and stretching it i guess. may try cross friction massage on it and maybe even acupuncture.

Where in the knee? Don't go sticking needles into tendons and ligaments haphazardly.

probably the quadricep tendon, very very close to the kneecap though. and yea, of course i'm not gonna go about doing it by myself at home, i'm gonna get a professional to do it. or do you think getting a professional to do it is haphazard too?

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. I'll assume not. For a start I don't know whether you mean acupuncture or dry needling. Acupuncture really doesn't have any scientific justification. From my understanding, dry needling is slightly different in that it's more targeted to specific trigger point areas and I have heard plenty of anecdotal evidence from people in the business. But you have to ensure it's done right and there's always a small risk of tendon/ligament rupture given you're creating small (temporary) weak point in the tissue. We had a guy who had dry needling constantly on his achilles tendon, and while it would help him get through the next day's training he'd invariably pull or tear it a few days/weeks later. My old coach was very against injections in tendons/ligaments whether it was a cortisone shot or acupuncture needles because of the risk of subsequent tendon rupture under heavy load, which he's seen a few times. Again, all anecdotal; YMMV and it could potentially help for pain relief, but it probably doesn't fix the issue.

IMO, a far better and less risky approach to solving your quad tendinopathy is to get a PT/myotherapist etc. to look at your hip and ankle mobility/stability using SL squats and other functional movements. Then get the dysfunctional muscles worked on and start doing the relevant corrective strengthening exercises. Every dynamic knee fault that isn't some sort of congenital defect is most likely caused by upstream (hip) or downstream (ankle) joints and the associated muscles, more often than not around the hip.

nope, i wasn't being sarcastic lol, just very uninformed on that stuff. my mom just suggested it, and i didn't really know how it was gonna be done lol. yea that seems like a huge risk cause there's very little pain right now, just very minor aching when i jump.

yea that sounds like when i'm gonna do again. the last physical therapist i saw bascially did some cross friction massage for a few sessions. after that, i just followed what she told me to do, and that was to stretch/foam roll quads hard and strengthen glutes/hamstrings with deadlifts.

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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #229 on: October 20, 2016, 12:39:08 am »
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIlh4JWXKaA

goal now is to make this consistent. i think my max vert is now sitting in between the mid 30s and high 30s. don't think i have the best genetics, but i'm confident that i can get to 40. just have a very slight ache in my left knee still, think im just gonna keep foam rolling and stretching it i guess. may try cross friction massage on it and maybe even acupuncture.

Where in the knee? Don't go sticking needles into tendons and ligaments haphazardly.

probably the quadricep tendon, very very close to the kneecap though. and yea, of course i'm not gonna go about doing it by myself at home, i'm gonna get a professional to do it. or do you think getting a professional to do it is haphazard too?

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. I'll assume not. For a start I don't know whether you mean acupuncture or dry needling. Acupuncture really doesn't have any scientific justification. From my understanding, dry needling is slightly different in that it's more targeted to specific trigger point areas and I have heard plenty of anecdotal evidence from people in the business. But you have to ensure it's done right and there's always a small risk of tendon/ligament rupture given you're creating small (temporary) weak point in the tissue. We had a guy who had dry needling constantly on his achilles tendon, and while it would help him get through the next day's training he'd invariably pull or tear it a few days/weeks later. My old coach was very against injections in tendons/ligaments whether it was a cortisone shot or acupuncture needles because of the risk of subsequent tendon rupture under heavy load, which he's seen a few times. Again, all anecdotal; YMMV and it could potentially help for pain relief, but it probably doesn't fix the issue.

IMO, a far better and less risky approach to solving your quad tendinopathy is to get a PT/myotherapist etc. to look at your hip and ankle mobility/stability using SL squats and other functional movements. Then get the dysfunctional muscles worked on and start doing the relevant corrective strengthening exercises. Every dynamic knee fault that isn't some sort of congenital defect is most likely caused by upstream (hip) or downstream (ankle) joints and the associated muscles, more often than not around the hip.

nope, i wasn't being sarcastic lol, just very uninformed on that stuff. my mom just suggested it, and i didn't really know how it was gonna be done lol. yea that seems like a huge risk cause there's very little pain right now, just very minor aching when i jump.

yea that sounds like when i'm gonna do again. the last physical therapist i saw bascially did some cross friction massage for a few sessions. after that, i just followed what she told me to do, and that was to stretch/foam roll quads hard and strengthen glutes/hamstrings with deadlifts.

All good, hard to tell sometimes online. Sounds like you're on the right track, these things just become a management/maintenance issue. I see you're doing weighted pistols, which is also good. Keep it up, good jumping progress.

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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #230 on: October 20, 2016, 02:55:41 am »
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yep, i see. yep, i can do weighted pistols with zero pain. i stand on a box and go completely rock bottom too, you'd think that would hurt my knee but it doesn't at all. thanks dude, really determined to get that 40 inch vert now.

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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #231 on: October 22, 2016, 02:42:01 am »
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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #232 on: October 22, 2016, 05:19:11 am »
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the last vid you posted is private.

fwiw, my extremely limited personal experience of dry needling (n=1 session) was startlingly positive, and i have a couple of friends who got it also to good effect. my extremely limited person experience of acupuncture (n=1 session) was negative: the dude must have hit a nerve in my toe or something because for a while there it felt like a good portion of my foot was on fire. never again.

but when what you're talking about is movement-specific pain, i'm with acole. the problem is likely not going to be solved permanently by dry needling, and it's definitely not going to be solved by acupuncture.

side note: the scientific evidence for acupuncture as a discipline (placing needles along some apparently very specific locations) is weak relative to placebo (placing needles sort of haphazardly but in the same manner). but the placebo effect is there for a lot of people and can be powerful enough on its own to justify treatment, depending on the problem being addressed. studies aren't all of musculoskeletal pain; acupuncture is also used to treat, say, digestion issues.
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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #233 on: October 22, 2016, 05:33:02 am »
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the last vid you posted is private.

fwiw, my extremely limited personal experience of dry needling (n=1 session) was startlingly positive, and i have a couple of friends who got it also to good effect. my extremely limited person experience of acupuncture (n=1 session) was negative: the dude must have hit a nerve in my toe or something because for a while there it felt like a good portion of my foot was on fire. never again.

but when what you're talking about is movement-specific pain, i'm with acole. the problem is likely not going to be solved permanently by dry needling, and it's definitely not going to be solved by acupuncture.

side note: the scientific evidence for acupuncture as a discipline (placing needles along some apparently very specific locations) is weak relative to placebo (placing needles sort of haphazardly but in the same manner). but the placebo effect is there for a lot of people and can be powerful enough on its own to justify treatment, depending on the problem being addressed. studies aren't all of musculoskeletal pain; acupuncture is also used to treat, say, digestion issues.

put it back up.

ah i see. still a huge risk for me cause the pain is very minor. hit deadlifts and played pickup today and had a few layups off 1 foot, no pain at all though.

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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #234 on: October 24, 2016, 10:43:41 pm »
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for some reason i suddenly have sharp pain around/near my right hip today. i deadlifted and played on friday and jumped yesterday, but it was even fine yesterday. gonna see what the deal with and be extra extra careful with this.

edit: nvm, the pain is gone. weird, it only lasted for 1/4 of the day.
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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #235 on: October 28, 2016, 02:36:07 pm »
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for some reason i suddenly have sharp pain around/near my right hip today. i deadlifted and played on friday and jumped yesterday, but it was even fine yesterday. gonna see what the deal with and be extra extra careful with this.

edit: nvm, the pain is gone. weird, it only lasted for 1/4 of the day.

glad to see that edit.. hip pain sucks. just got done talking about it with Leonel in his journal.

keep ur eye on it mijo.

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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #236 on: October 28, 2016, 07:08:44 pm »
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for some reason i suddenly have sharp pain around/near my right hip today. i deadlifted and played on friday and jumped yesterday, but it was even fine yesterday. gonna see what the deal with and be extra extra careful with this.

edit: nvm, the pain is gone. weird, it only lasted for 1/4 of the day.

glad to see that edit.. hip pain sucks. just got done talking about it with Leonel in his journal.

keep ur eye on it mijo.

yup, its completely gone. played pickup on wednesday and it was 100% fine. i'm also supposed to be deadlifting today, but too lazy lol.

for the past few weeks i've been on rogue though, looking to get a barbell and bumper plates at home for deadlifts. still having a hard time deciding which bumper plates to get. also wondering if i should get a trap bar instead of a straight bar.

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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #237 on: November 01, 2016, 07:21:25 pm »
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going for long term injury prevention, but kinda a bit tricky atm. i know it's very important to be glute dominant, but what about the quads? it seems like you need strong quads too(particularly the VMO) to have good knee health.

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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #238 on: November 02, 2016, 07:03:51 am »
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guess i'm going with the trap bar. i guess you can always adjust your shin angles with the trap bar, so if i wanna make it more hip dominant i just keep vertical shins.

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Re: Recovery from quadricep tendonitis
« Reply #239 on: November 04, 2016, 11:29:51 pm »
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any tips to hit the VMO hard besides TKE's?