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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #405 on: August 14, 2014, 06:19:16 am »
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120814 Gay Week
The whole week is raining, we even get the RED rain warning..

Monday is the only day I shoot basket at lunch...

today is Thursday.. I am suppose to go do the Bounding Test.. but guess what, I am late, and I do not have the measuring tap with me...
I am so piss.

anyway.. i shoot around and did this instead.

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https://vimeo.com/103413113


If I Test Bound tonight... I wont be able do the lift test as Raptor suggested....
A week is wasted..
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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #406 on: August 14, 2014, 06:23:50 am »
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Not bad. Why don't you try some two handed jumps, and try some left handed dribbles on your approach. It will be very difficult initially (as it is for me) but you'll start to see benefits soon enough.

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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #407 on: August 19, 2014, 06:09:08 am »
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140815 1 RM Test for Raptor (all in Lbs)   
Squat   
45   8
135   4
205   3
225   3
245   3
295   1
365   1
375   1
395   Fail
   
Deadlift   
135   6
225   3
295   2
335   1
385   Fail
355   1
365   Fail
   
Hip Thrust on Smith   
135   5
185   3
205   3
235   4
275   1
325   1
345   1
395   1

Most of the set rep is video capped. Will compile it and upload it .... soon ( I hope by tomorrow)

PS... it is raining hard every day for near a week... so i am not able to do bounding test.  I hope I can do it this week..
So busy with work lately...
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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #408 on: August 19, 2014, 09:18:37 am »
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So we have this:

Squat: 375
Deadlift: 355
Hip thrust: 395

What is your bodyweight?

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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #409 on: August 20, 2014, 08:03:19 am »
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Still raining today.
And i just weighted myself naked at 177lbs
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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #410 on: August 20, 2014, 09:41:58 am »
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Assuming everything is OK, we have this:

Squat 375/177 = 2.11 squat
355/177 = 2.00 deadlift
395/177 = 2.23 hip thrust

All very good strength numbers.

Just two more things before we revise the program:

1) Post the videos of the lifts so we know you're actually hitting depth on the squats, you're actually pausing at the top and hyperextending on the hip thrust and you're lifting with your legs on the deadlift.
2) Plug in your jumping numbers after you test them.

The plan after this is more explosive gym work for a while, and then doing these same measurements once again and see if your explosiveness has increased.

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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #411 on: August 23, 2014, 01:52:53 am »
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Took the Saturday morning to Compile 1RM video
http://youtu.be/L0Hd3e59dgI

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Hd3e59dgI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Hd3e59dgI</a>
Finished the Bounding and vert test last thurday. no time to compile video yet.

Please hang in there for me raptor..
Real busy with life lately.
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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #412 on: August 25, 2014, 12:08:53 pm »
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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #413 on: August 25, 2014, 01:14:44 pm »
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Your lifts numbers and body weight ratios are great... I'd have someone confirm this, but the form on the deadlifts/squats seem a little shaky to me? For the squats, it might just be the angle the video was shot at, but you definitely round your lower back on some of those deadlifts. The 355 max looked good to me, which means that it's probably just forgetting/not paying attention instead of lack of ability or something else.
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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #414 on: August 28, 2014, 06:32:25 am »
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140821 Max Effort Jump Test for Raptor
Today is Aug 28th, I am extremely busy this 2 weeks, I pretty much not able to play ball or preform any Jump. Either the weather is bad or I am busy with work.

 I took one lunch time.. rush out and did all the test raptor suggested.  I end up could not finish in time.. and not able to take shower due to lack of time and have to wipe myself clean in the office washroom.

After that test... I was fully occupied with work and home... and it took me exactly one week to compile this video log.
I wish i can resume training in sept.  Which is around the same time Raptor give me new instruction.
http://youtu.be/R07v5uEL_Gw
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« Last Edit: September 01, 2014, 03:57:59 am by scoobychau »
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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #415 on: August 28, 2014, 08:44:41 am »
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Good stuff scooby...

For the broad jumps, I like your hip hyperextension. That's good news. The two leg bounds were pretty quick as well, and long too. For the standing vert, you were really quad dominant (vertical back, knees going forward). The next time you try doing SVJs, try some hip dominant ones as well (hips pushed back, chest lowered forward a bit).

For the running 2-leg jumps, try looking at the rim for pretty much the entire time. You're looking down => a lot of quad load and energy loss. Try to look at the rim. Check out ~ 3:15 and see how you can improve that. Frankly, the relaxed jumps looked better to  me than the regular ones.

For the one leg jump, you collapse at the knee. You need to keep that knee stiff and load the hips like in a straight-leg one-leg Romanian deadlift (maybe a good exercise for you to try). You could also try a one-arm swing in your one-leg jumps, they should be easier to do right.

Anyway, now that we have this info, we can continue to build on it.

I will write another post soon with all the info that we've gathered, and what to do next.

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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #416 on: August 29, 2014, 05:53:15 am »
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OK so let's see:

Strength:

Squat 375/177 = 2.11 squat
355/177 = 2.00 deadlift
395/177 = 2.23 hip thrust

Jumps:

Broad jump: 2.69 m
4 consecutive 2-leg bounds: 11.63 m
SVJ,2-leg running jump relaxed and regular, 1 leg jump on camera for comparison later



Now the thing is - how and where do you need to improve? What is the limiting factor in your jumps?

Well, if we look at the squat and the deadlift, they're both at 2x or more. However, the deadlift is lower than the squat. A good sign of quad dominance. The deadlift should pretty much always be heavier than the squat, unless grip issues are the limiting factor. What muscle is more active, specifically, in hip dominant, leg initiated deadlift pulls? It's the hamstrings. In a high bar squat, the hamstrings are pretty much taken out of the movement.

The same hamstring weakness is hinted when looking at your one-leg jumps - a lot of knee bending, quad load, hamstring unload. If this is true, you should also feel "difficult" running in a tall position and at top speeds (you'll find it easier to accelerate than to run tall after you reach a certain speed).

On the other hand, the hip thrust looked pretty good, and you also display some nice hip hyperextension in both the hip thrust and the 2-leg bounds. So the glutes are actually acting pretty good IMO.

Looking at your old clean videos, you still pull in a quad dominant manner. Once again, my hunch is that the hamstrings are weak.

It also doesn't look like the calves are that bad - except for the moment when you plant to jump off two feet and the first leg that you plant has the heel kept on the ground for pretty much the entire amortization phase. Now, that could be a calf strength issue or it could be a technique issue. You need to be able to plant a little deeper and a little offset, as Joel likes to say, in that LR position that you plant into. The first leg that you plant (the left one in your case) must be strong from a deep squat perspective, and the 2nd leg must be "stiff", as in a one leg jump. You cover the first leg by being strong in the squat, but you plant the way you plant right now because the 2nd leg, the right leg, is not stiff enough.

For example, if you look at 3:16 you can see both the left leg (that correctly is planted deep) and the right leg go deep. However, the right leg should be more in front of you in a stiffer, straighter position. The reason why you plant them both deep is because you want to use your strength rather than your "speed"... so the speed you get from your run-up doesn't really translate into vertical momentum. You could gain enough to dunk right there, IMO.

So what do we do at this point? How do we program this? Let's look at the issues again:

1) Hamstring weakness (overall);
2) Try to improve right leg stiffness (obviously, we're going to train both of them for this);
3) Improve technique off two feet (look at the rim at all times, instead of planting looking forward or at the ground);
4) Improve foot function and strength a bit, maybe it could help;
5) Improve overall power;
6) Test and see if this has improved your jumps or mechanics.

In practice, let's do this for the next 6 weeks and test at the end of these 6 weeks. If everything works right, maybe you will dunk (let's hope). Why so optimistic? Because you're already close and because you have the strength - you just need to express it better.

Week 1:

Monday (Hamstring-oriented plyos, try to do these barefooted if you have a track surface, or in running shoes):

Sprint: 3x60m (accelerate aggressively for the first 15m, maintain speed in a tall position, relaxed, for another 45m);
Consecutive 1-2-3 one-leg jumps with high hips: 3x50m (do 1-2-3-jump off one leg, land-1-2-3-jump off one leg etc, trying to prevent the knee from loading - do them submaximally, as low in height (with as little effort or momentum) as you "need" to prevent the knee from going forward - imagine yourself PULLING up instead of pushing through the knee);
Rudiment hops: 2x30m (these are just calf-jumps on the balls of your feet - trying to be very fast, minimal ground contact, going forward, sideways to the left, sideways to the right, and backwards for 30m -  same minimal knee bend - so 2x30m means 2 sets of (30m going forward, REST, 30m going to the right, REST, 30m going left, REST, 30m going backwards, REST for 5 minutes, repeat this cluster one more time)) - do them bilaterally for now (on two feet)

Wednesday (Power):

KB or dumbbell swings: 3x10 (use something like 24 kg for KB, 16-20 kg for dumbbell)
Explosive high bar half squat with 50% ++ Emtpy bar rhytmic jump squat: 3x(3+5) (do 3 reps of high bar explosive half squats with 50% of your full squat 1RM - that is 375/2 = 187.5 lbs, rest 1 minute, then do 5 consecutive rhytmic jump squats with an empty bar, then rest 3 minutes and repeat this cycle two more times)
Romanian Deadlift: 3x5 (start with 50% of your deadlift 1RM, so that would be 355/2 = 177.5 lbs - maintain anterior pelvic tilt, load those hamstrings, use a slow tempo - 5 seconds down, pause just below the knee for 2 seconds, get back explosively (but under control))
One-leg calf raise to big toe raise: 3x10 (slow tempo, put the left foot on the left side of a plate so that the left side of the heel kind of hangs out (so only the ball of the foot is on the plate, the rest of the foot is hanging off the plate), so that when you do the calf raise you will roll to the big toe at maximum ankle extension - for the right leg, do the same, with the foot on the right side of the plate - hold with the opposite hand on something for balance)

Friday (Reactivity):

Sprint: 3x50m - these are maximal sprints, time them if you can;
Low box quick depth jumps:3x5  - use a low box and try to be as quick as possible off the ground. Height of the jump is of secondary importance;
Rudiment hops: 2x30m (same as Monday)

Then we'll see how it goes.
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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #417 on: September 02, 2014, 12:05:55 am »
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I had just spent an hour reading and studying what Raptor just said with some question as follow:

Week 1:
Monday Plyo focus at the Ham
1-2-3 One legged jump  (alternative leg_Will it be similar to this from my old 2007 video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRfbxpH1SvE @ 1:10
With high Hip? do you mean High Knee kick?
Low in height with no effort or momentum? do u mean High in height but without forward momentum?, pulling up instead of Pushing from knee..(hard to understand but will try), i will try to keep knee not infront of foot.

Rudiment hops, found a sample, do it with 2 legs instead of one, the guy in the video is not doing it fast you said to it fast, should I be doing it fast like in ZigZag (back& forth across the line ultra super fast agility speed or should i aim for HEIGHT and minimum ground contact speed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvkQgU7Nr38



Wednesday Power:
Dumbell Swing Sample
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTeBkm2-gQs
I had never done this, I suppose the Key to swing is using the glute to throw up the weight, not using the back... am I Correct?  will need to drill into how to swing.

Explosive High Bar Half Squat
3 rep Half Squat at 187.5lbs, rest 5 rep of emty bar Rhythmic Jump Quarter ?squat, rest 3 min
2 cycle

Romanian Deadlift at 177.5lbs ok
will need to study how to do RomDead correctly

One leg Calf Raise to big toe. ok



Friday Reactivity:
3x 50 m Maximal Sprint
Low box quick  (how low of a box , like the one in my video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfE48fNGnU0  @2:48  Green box low, yellow box is little higher

(I just finished an hr basketball match yesterday..I think i can still do the monday Plyo before i sleep tonight.)  I will try to stretch and drink more water in the office)


Btw, the Wednesday power day is quite Short,
Dumb Swing, Squat, Rom Dead, calf raise
Would it be an good idea to add in Leg Curl machine as you point out my hamstring is weak.

Many Thanks Raptor
« Last Edit: September 02, 2014, 12:50:35 am by scoobychau »
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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #418 on: September 02, 2014, 05:22:21 am »
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Monday Plyo focus at the Ham
1-2-3 One legged jump  (alternative leg_Will it be similar to this from my old 2007 video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRfbxpH1SvE @ 1:10
With high Hip? do you mean High Knee kick?
Low in height with no effort or momentum? do u mean High in height but without forward momentum?, pulling up instead of Pushing from knee..(hard to understand but will try), i will try to keep knee not infront of foot.

Yeah, like that. If you use a double arm swing, like you do in your one leg jumps, it should be better. What I mean by high hips is - try not to bend too much if at all. Almost with straight legs. The power in the jump should come from the posterior chain, glute+ham, NOT quad like you do now. So by keeping the hips high (not lowering into your plant too much) you will prevent the deep knee bend in these jumps, so hopefully they won't be quad dominant. A better description of this would be an explosive hip thrust on one leg, with the quad just sitting there preventing the knee from flexing (keeping the leg stiff).

It's going to be difficult to do right because you've ingrained that quad dominant pattern for so long, but try to limit that knee bend. Jump as SUBmaximally as needed, but still trying to get high. In other words, get as high as possible WITHOUT having that knee collapse forward.

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Rudiment hops, found a sample, do it with 2 legs instead of one, the guy in the video is not doing it fast you said to it fast, should I be doing it fast like in ZigZag (back& forth across the line ultra super fast agility speed or should i aim for HEIGHT and minimum ground contact speed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvkQgU7Nr38

For now just do them relaxed (but stiff) - just like he's doing them in the video. As always, prevent the knee from collapsing - the movement should be almost 100% ankle, with no knee or hip contributions. It's a hop, not a jump.

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Wednesday Power:
Dumbbell Swing Sample
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTeBkm2-gQs
I had never done this, I suppose the Key to swing is using the glute to throw up the weight, not using the back... am I Correct?  will need to drill into how to swing.

Yeah, that's the one. Except he's doing them wrong. First off, you should try to hold the dumbbell by one of its ends (one of the bells) so the other one hangs down. So grab it from one of the sides, not from the middle. The movement should be hip initiated (like an explosive hip thrust) and the dumbbell shouldn't travel higher than chest height. From that point on, tension is lost as it goes higher, and it usually promotes arm pulling, which we don't want.

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Low box quick  (how low of a box , like the one in my video?

A very short box. Think something like 20 cm or 8 inches. The jump should be instantaneous in this situation. So you don't load and jump, you touch the ground and IMMEDIATELY go up. This is going to be more ankle dominant, tendon dominant and also promote less knee bend (since you shouldn't have time to bend at the knees).

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Btw, the Wednesday power day is quite Short,
Dumb Swing, Squat, Rom Dead, calf raise
Would it be an good idea to add in Leg Curl machine as you point out my hamstring is weak.

Yeah and there's a reason for that - I want to limit muscular tension - when you do high volume strength work you tend to have the muscles overactive, even at rest. And when that happens, speed suffers, because tension is the enemy of speed. Tension is great at the right time (the time of actual propulsion), but at all the other times it's bad because it directly competes with speed. For speed you need to be relaxed, and for strength you need to be tensed. For power you need to be tensed at the right time and relaxed at the right time. So power takes advantage of both of these mechanisms, if they occur at the right times.

At this point, considering your strength numbers, you're already good at generating tension. It's now a matter of being faster and making that tension occur at the right time, with relaxation occurring the rest of the time. This is also why you do the 15max+45relaxed and 50m max sprints - one teaches you to not be tensed (since you can't reach too much of a max speed after only 15 meters, so maintaining that speed that you got for another 45 is a great tool for this), and the 50m max sprint is a combination of max acceleration (tension) with SOME speed maintenance (relaxation) + some hamstring work + repeated hip hyperextensions (sprinting itself).

So these were the main thought processes in my head when I wrote this for you.

To answer your question though, some leg curls could work. Try to do something like 2x15 with a weight you could do 25 reps with (so very light).
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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #419 on: September 03, 2014, 06:50:00 am »
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140902 Week 1 Day 1 Plyo focus at the Ham
 http://youtu.be/BuV20uc51CY
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« Last Edit: September 10, 2014, 03:10:07 am by scoobychau »
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2 legs leap 28"@06, 33"@11, 34.5"@2012, 37"@2013
Ankle Surgery - Dec 14, 07
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