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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #585 on: June 29, 2015, 02:51:02 am »
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Arm Swing Adjustment?
I saw this video today,
at 19 sec.  the guy Jump with Both arm/hand Above his head, before lowering the non dunking hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9aR-X9tEYs


Where as myself... my non balling hand never go above my head..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZT_JmAvLyI


I did found some jump which rarely... both hand go above my head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amr4R4hhlLk
Both Dunked attempt at 3:19 & 5:00  is with Both hand above my head....


um... may be... Arm swing with hand above head is a must....

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« Reply #586 on: June 29, 2015, 06:25:08 am »
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Lol, he is just reaching for the ball. :uhhhfacepalm:

Trying to have both your hands up will only deteriorate your reach ( limited dunking hand hyperextension ), and your maximum touch sub-sequentially.

Also, besides this new 'free hand above head' shit, how many years and negged posts must pass to stop watching random dunkers and picking one specific random aspect of their jump, naming it a new top secret?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_fg4G2QRSA : Take a look at this video and see 10000 different runups, plants, hand windups, takeoffs. They all lead to +45'' jumps. You know why? Because those guys can apply huge forces to the ground rapidly.

So once again, get under the squat bar to get stronger, jump a lot to get more proficient in applying that force and that is really ALL that there is to it.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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« Reply #587 on: June 30, 2015, 05:48:22 am »
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Lol, he is just reaching for the ball. :uhhhfacepalm:

Trying to have both your hands up will only deteriorate your reach ( limited dunking hand hyperextension ), and your maximum touch sub-sequentially.

Also, besides this new 'free hand above head' shit, how many years and negged posts must pass to stop watching random dunkers and picking one specific random aspect of their jump, naming it a new top secret?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_fg4G2QRSA : Take a look at this video and see 10000 different runups, plants, hand windups, takeoffs. They all lead to +45'' jumps. You know why? Because those guys can apply huge forces to the ground rapidly.

So once again, get under the squat bar to get stronger, jump a lot to get more proficient in applying that force and that is really ALL that there is to it.

Thanks Vag.

I am no lifting heavy any more.. trying to lift may be 50-60% of 1RM while trying to keep the speed high...
as for jumping.. my access to ball court is shut down untill mid july... so i had not been jumping much...
 :uhhhfacepalm:

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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #588 on: July 15, 2015, 05:06:45 pm »
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« Reply #589 on: July 16, 2015, 04:21:46 am »
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Thanks raptor.  Nice to hear back from u.
I lost ur fb and thought u disappeared.
Thanks i will have to read and rethink about the play
What u said before still applies now i believe.


Btw scooby, maybe you should re-read what I wrote here:

http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/scooby-2011-journal/msg102681/?topicseen#msg102681
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« Reply #590 on: July 16, 2015, 07:42:58 am »
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You "lost" my facebook because I have deactivated it.

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« Reply #591 on: July 24, 2015, 08:54:04 pm »
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Week 7 of jump manual completed.

For the record. I had been following JM closely which is 1 heavy lifting day and 1 plyo jumping day per week. I also have an one hour dedicated stretching session per week.  Never skipped these listed session.  However i had skipped most of not all the explosivle leg raise and planking session

I had also invested in a pair of gravity boot where i hang myself for 5 min every 2 or 3 days. Where i do some inversed situp, squat and side up.  Nothing serious. Did it to relax my back only.

I also started drinking green smoothies on weekdays.  More like druit smoothies as i founs out i outtoo little green in my mix.  I thought it is supose to be healthy but i end up gaining like 5lbs after 1 month of green juicing.  A little Google confirmed if not be careful, green smoothies or juice will increase one person weight fast.... :pissed:

The office court is closed for a month and i have not jumped at the rim for one month.

I jumped for the first time yesterday and i guess i am lucky to have matained similar vert.  Not my max where i can dunk a beach ball. But i am able to go over a tap or grab the rim easy.

I tested my squat under the rim frog jump and confirmed i can still touch the rim.
Also tested my 1 step approach 2 foot jump and got myself over the rim also.

i guess i am safe to say that jump manual is able to at least maintain my strength level...(with the added weight)
And i am back to square 1 where no horizontal power is transferred to vertical power .

I am on to week of JM... Suppose to do it for 12 weeks..
With where this is going... I am not sure if i should continue...
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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #593 on: July 25, 2015, 01:05:12 pm »
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I am on to week of JM... Suppose to do it for 12 weeks..
With where this is going... I am not sure if i should continue...

THIS is your biggest issue. Not that you cant stick with something (though thats a problemas well) but the fact you reek of negativity most of the time. You will get no where if you can't see yourself.getting there FIRST. Suck it up, be positive, and grind on. You lost some vert...everyone does when they dont PRACTICE it!
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« Reply #594 on: July 27, 2015, 10:27:37 pm »
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Talked to a Olifting friend... who once learnt olifting with me in the same class... but while I stopped, he continue to learnt and seek more professional coaching.  He end up flying himself to China to learn Olifting with the Gold medalist coach for a period of time.   While I ask him to suggest where is a good place to learn Olifting quick, he suggest me to hire him as a PT.  Which cost 80USD per hour, lifting equipment not included.  This is the lowest he can offer and consider lowest in the market with his kind of knowledge and background he claims

I will have to pass on this... for various reason.

Continuing with what I am doing..with Jump Manual.
And i return to the court at lunch today for max effort jumping practice finally.....

and W T F!? (the court is reopened on July 20.... )

but now a new Sign is up...
THE COURT IS CLOSED untill Aug 31..

i got to....adjust my plan....

While I am sharing this $80 usd/hr professional service story with my friends.  One of my teammate who happen to be a Crossfitter agree about the cost is right, and confirmed this Coach is Legit with his qualification.  He also confirmed that, the local crossfit club invite oversea coach to have short session every now and then, and they cost more than 80usd an hour, so it is worth it.

I was like..    :uhcomeon:

On the other hand, I told the same story to one of my powerlifting bro from the Gov sponsored O & Plifting club.  This Dude original want to learn Olifting, but the club focus in Plifting 80% of the time... so he end up learning plifting and little olifting over the year.  However, he very dedicated in olifting and learnt quite a bit on his own as well from the CHINA 80s gold medalist coach  (who was invited to teach locally for a month or so with gov funding). 

This powerlifting bro knew me for as long as I started learning squat the plifter way.  He agree with the...crossfitting market cost... but he does not think i should pay so much...  After discussing with him for a while... he suddenly told me this idea of his.

He wanted to buy some barbell and weight along with some portable rack.... where he can put it on some push cart.. and start squating/olifting in the park.
I believe he got this idea from Crossfitter,  I had seen westen crossfitter group running around in park and mountain and doing pushup, situp and suddenly doing military press, hand clean and etc on the side with barbell on the floor in the middle of no where.

having said that... he said if he do get the necessary equipment... he can sure teach me how to do Olifting with a small coaching fee.

This sound exciting... to me.. may be.. Olifting.. is the missing link.

May be u guys think I am stupid changing program / shifting focus again.

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(other possible missing link may be:
1. 8hrs of sleep
2. Stretch / foam roll daily
3. 10% body fat not meeting
4. Core Strength (dynamic or Static)

on the side note, here is something suggested to me by a certified sport performance coach (this is for the record only, so i wont lose it).
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train 4 times a week

1 power snatch, Snatch high pull, depth jump over hurdles

2. power clean, clean pull, depth jump over hurdles

3.power snatch and power clean go 1RM
4. rest
5. 1~2 steps jump over as high as possible hurdles like the vedio i sent u or try to tuch a object
 power snatch
squat 80~95%1~3reps
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« Reply #595 on: July 28, 2015, 12:31:57 am »
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you are a weird, weird dude scoob.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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« Reply #596 on: July 28, 2015, 03:59:03 am »
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you are a weird, weird dude scoob.

I agree... :wowthatwasnutswtf:


Read this during lunch:
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Increasing your Vertical Jump

A conditioning specialist in Scottsdale, Arizona. He holds a Bachelor's of Science in Exercise Science. His articles will help you!
By: Josh Henkin
Last updated: Oct 24, 2011
There are a million products that make promises on increasing one's vertical leap. Everything from jumping shoes to programs that simply use bodyweight exercises. In many sports, athletes wish to jump higher in hope they will improve their performance in their chosen sport. While this may be the case, it is equally important to remember that there are far more important aspects to sports performance than just how high you jump. However, understanding what makes for a good vertical jump can help many young athletes save a lot of money and see great progress from their work.

FLEXIBILITY!

This is the least exciting of all the principles that I could possibly name. However, if you do not have proper range of motion in your hips, shoulders and low back you are not going to reach your potential. Since the dominant amount of force production in a vertical leap is accomplished in the hips, you will see that optimal range of motion is necessary. If your hips are tight you will not be able to translate force through the hip musculature properly and you are setting yourself up for injuries, primarily in the low back and sacroiliac joint.

Simply stretching though in the traditional sense will not be the solution to your problems. In flexibility training there are two main types, static and dynamic. Static is the what most traditionally think when flexibility is mentioned. Holding a particular stretch for 20-60 seconds. Dynamic flexibility involves certain types of movement that will help increase the range of motion in certain joints. My preferred examples might be stepping over hurdles for the hips. The importance of the distinction relates to how you structure your program. There is a poor correlation between these two types of flexibility. Meaning if you are bad in static stretching you can still be good in dynamic. It is important to use both. Usually we will use dynamic methods prior to a workout, as it will provide proper range of motion and assist in increased force production. Static flexibility has been shown to reduce force production so usually it is saved for after the workout as a recovery method and additional flexibility training.

Sport Stretch by Michael J. Alter provides some great ideas for static stretches. Many of my dynamic stretches use basic tumbling, hurdles and full range of motion lifts. By using all these methods the athlete can increase many aspects of their performance including their vertical jump.

Olympic Lifts and Hybrids

The Olympic lifts are terrific to incorporate into any serious sports performance program. My only concern is when athletes are unsure how to perform them correctly still try to utilize these lifts. This is where injuries may occur. If one is taught these lifts properly they are far from dangerous and can provide numerous benefits. I suggest if someone were interested in learning the lifts to find an USA Weightlifting Coach in their area.

Ok, so how do the Olympic lifts and their variations help the vertical jump? As I mentioned earlier the hips are primarily responsible for the success in a vertical jump. What the Olympic lifts do is teach the lifter how to use their hips explosively. This ability to translate force will allow one to utilize the stretch-shortening cycle (SSC) more efficiently leading to a better jump. A good example of the power of the SSC is the following. Try to jump, but before you explode up hold the bottom position for four seconds. Measure how high you jump. Next, dip down as fast as possible and come back up as fast as possible. See a difference? Chances are you saw significance between your two efforts, the second jump being much higher.

The other benefit from the Olympic lifts is if you use their full movements you can greatly increase the flexibility in major joints such as the hips and shoulder girdle. The Overhead squat, Drop Snatch and others are great exercises to develop overall body strength and power. However, they will still increase range of motion in all important areas.

If you would like a stronger example of the impact of the lifts let us look at the following. I would like to thank my colleague Chad Ikei for the following information. This excerpt is from his article "Pulling To Jump Higher."

"Nicu Vlad of Romania, World Record holder and Two time Olympic Medallist, came to the United States back in 1990, with now current U.S. National and Olympic Team Coach Dragomir Cioroslan, for a training camp. It was here at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, that this 100-kg (220 lbs) weightlifter recorded a 42-inch vertical jump. Not to mention he was in weightlifting shoes, which weighs a lot more than tennis shoes and no formal warm-up. (Snatch 200 kg, Clean and Jerk 232.5 kg)

Wesley Barnett of Team USA, 3-time Olympian and Silver Medallist @ 1997 World Championships, have legs (especially hamstrings) and ass like a thoroughbred on him that most body builders would like to have. He has recorded vertical jumps higher than 39 inches at a height of 6-foot-1 and 105 kg (231 pounds). I've even witnessed him dunking a basketball while jumping over my head, and I do mean literally jumping over my head which of course only stands a mere 5-foot-2 but he straddle jumped directly over my head and dunked. (Snatch 175 kg, Clean and Jerk 220 kg)

Mark Henry, 1996 Olympic Team Member, now known as "Sexual Chocolate" on the WWF scene, had quite a vertical jump. At 6-foot-3 tall he could dunk a basketball, not to mention that he could squat over 1000 pounds and deadlift over 900 pounds. Now dunking a basketball at 6-foot-3 doesn't sound that hard, but take in to account that he weighed at that time 175 kg (385 pounds). Now that's impressive for a big guy. (Snatch 180 kg, Clean and Jerk 220 kg)

Shane Hamman, 2000 Olympic Team Member and current National Super heavyweight Champion, another big man weighing in at 163 kg (358 pounds) but only at a height of 5-foot-9, can jump onto boxes at a height over 42 inches. Of course Shane was also known for his squatting ability of over 1000 pounds. (Snatch 195 kg, Clean and Jerk 230 kg)."

This is amazing considering the average vertical jump of a Division-I men's basketball player is 28 inches!

Plyometrics

Plyometrics are one of the most poorly understood training methods in our toolbox. This method is also known as shock training. The purpose of plyometrics is not to be a conditioning technique, but rather improve the utilization of the SSC. However, one must posses a descent level of strength to benefit from such training as the joints and musculature will be able to translate force optimally. The first two methods may act as preparation for plyometric training.

Everyone must establish a baseline before they begin a plyometric program. Using basic foot contact drills and general physical preparation drills are terrific. This would include exercises like jumping jack, split shuffles, slalom jumps, mountain climbers, jump rope, as well as many others. From here additional bounding drills such as skips can be included. One should not train with plyometrics more than twice a week and this will vary greatly on the phase of the cycle. Plyometrics should also mostly involve several sets of low repetition training as we are aiming for quality of jumps than the number.

It is important to remember this type of training has a great impact upon the body. Recovery will be crucial as well as the type of surface you use. Sandpits are my personal favorite as they offer a great deal of benefits to plyometric and sport-specific training. Just like any other training method if you do not understand how to use or implement this method you are better off not using it.

After reading the above ideas hopefully it is clearer that fancy equipment or "high-tech" methods are not necessary to have an incredible vertical jump. I would highly suggest that if you were interested in using any of the above methods but are unfamiliar with them to seek out a highly qualified strength and conditioning coach in your area. Most coaches will have a certification from National Strength & Conditioning Association and/or USA Weightlifting. Remember anything is possible with smart and well-organized training.

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Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« Reply #597 on: July 28, 2015, 06:09:26 am »
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^^^
Enlightening!!!
I never imagined that having a 150 to 200kg snatch and a 1000lbs squat would make you jump high!
Neither that dynamic warmup and recovery methods prevent injuries.
Also, loose muscles with bigger ROM operate better that tight ones with shorter ROM, damn!
Oh and plyos help you improve the SSC? Apocalypse!!!

Not targeting the article here. I don't disagree with anything in it ( unless maybe the plyos in a sandpit but ANYWAY! ).
I just don't get how a guy that is 6-7 years in vert training feels the need to post this ultra-base-level knowledge.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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« Reply #598 on: July 28, 2015, 06:10:56 am »
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you are a weird, weird dude scoob.

vertical jump training has this effect on most people.

if you're going to spend good amounts of money to train.. might as well go to the dark side.

juice up and high bar to 2.5BW+. x 5-10reps of SVJ every day or two.. he'll end up at 5'10, 195-205lb 7%lean.. boom.. dunk like nothing. retire.




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reach - 7'8" (92") |paused full squat - 545x1| standing VJ - 40"|

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« Reply #599 on: July 28, 2015, 07:37:49 am »
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...i love when articles point out how much an athlete can box jump and then immediately compare it to another sports ACTUAL VERTICAL JUMP.

Pisses me the fuck off.
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