Author Topic: Age vs VO2max (Read 983769 times)

vag · « **Reply #2550 on:** February 02, 2015, 12:34:58 pm »

I hear you.
But i would suspect that jumping shows this effort exactly. It is focusing on the triple extension power and trying to pull the bar up with it instead of power-shrugging and reverse curling it that makes me jump. I am not trying to jump, I didn't even know i was jumping, i saw it on vid later. I am just trying to hyper-extend as forcefully as i can, jumping just happens as a result.
On the other hand, Lance also barely jumps. I will gladly experiment on extending without jumping, i am not prejudiced at all, BUT : is this a real cue, i mean does any coach say "don't jump because it trains hip power better" or is it a "rip says jump so don't jump just because rip said it" kind of thing?

Gukl, are you reading this? What is your view on this topic? Anybody else?

Coges · « **Reply #2551 on:** February 02, 2015, 07:47:10 pm »

I would imagine that you're only jumping due to a lighter weight. You wouldn't be jumping at all at a heavier weight but the mechanics are the same and you would still, hopefully, achieve triple ext.

maxent · « **Reply #2552 on:** February 03, 2015, 04:34:46 am »

I think the jump cue is initially used to teach to get into a good position for the catch, elbows high, back upright and straight. Kinda like training wheels. But once you've mastered that, i don't think it's necessary or helpful to continue the jumping. I didn't realise Pendlay also teaches with a jump, at least initially, which makes me wonder where I got the idea not to do an exaggerated jump - have read a lot of oly shit over the years, could be russian or chinese or something. Idk. Probably the case that you do a proper clean and it doesn't require a jump - and some ppl advocate jumping as part of the technique, but that seems to be an extra thing you don't need. At best it leads to ugly cleans.

vag · « **Reply #2553 on:** February 03, 2015, 05:23:44 am »

Yeah, maybe it is the exaggeration of the jump that made you feel strange about what you are seeing. Which brings us to coges, indeed the heavier the bar gets, the less i jump. And the jump at the lighter ones, you are right, it is not needed, it just happened. I will take your word about never seeing a cue about jumping in russian/chinese o-lift guides, jump + 200kg don't go in the same sentence. I guess just stabilizing at -relatively- heavy weights will auto-eliminate the jump.
Also, watching Lance's video again, although the bar is empty he doesn't jump, it looks like he takes that triple extension power and 'transfers' it to upper body, not using it to jump but using it to execute the catch rapidly/explosively. That looks like the best deal. I will go through that 1-2-3 learning drill of Lance, kinda reset myself, see what happens.
Thanks both!

2 February 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~88kg

Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

RSR based routine
Week #4 , Day #1

~~HANG POWER CLEAN:~~
Wanted to save all energy for squats, skipped.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
5@95kg
5@95kg
5@95kg
5@95kg
5@95kg
-Volume dusk, intensity dawn. Was not easy but went good.
I feel I am definitely much stronger already, i have built up confidence/technique at powering out of the hole.

BENCH PRESS:
10@55kg
10@55kg
10@55kg ( +2 reps )
8@55kg ( +1 rep )
-Progress. Not at 4x10 though. Still very good for my standards.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
7@BW ( +1 rep )
7@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW
5@BW
-Finally, progress.

STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
30@BW+50kg
27@BW+50kg ( +2 reps )
25@BW+50kg ( +3 reps )
-Nice, getting there!

Good day, again.

vag · « **Reply #2554 on:** February 05, 2015, 05:07:45 am »

4 February 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~86.25kg
Soreness : quads un-recovered from Monday
Injuries/aches : none

RSR based routine
Week #4 , Day #2

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
5@30kg
3@40kg
2@50kg
2@60kg
0@70kg
-Low weights was technique work. Watched a lot of videos, tried a few things, felt like it worked good.
60kg was sweet, smooth and fast. 70kg was a clean miss though, i could only get the bar navel-high. Should have tried 65.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
2@90kg
2@90kg
2@90kg
2@90kg
2@90kg
2@90kg
-Lol, terrible. Legs very tired. 90kg felt heavier than monday's 95kg.

UPRIGHT BB ROW:
10@32,5kg ( +2,5kg )
10@32,5kg ( +2,5kg )
10@32,5kg ( +2,5kg )
10@32,5kg ( +2,5kg )
-Strong, second time on a row adding weight without missing reps.

DB CURL:
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand ( +2reps per hand )
-Very nice.

PREACHER BB CURL:
10@27,5kg ( +2,5kg )
10@27,5kg ( +2,5kg )
-Very nice.

TRICEPS ROPE PUSH DOWN:
10@27,5kg ( +2,5kg )
10@27,5kg ( +2,5kg )
9@27,5kg ( +2,5kg ) , ( -1 rep )
7@27,5kg ( +2,5kg ) , ( -3 reps )
-Reached failure. Still very strong.

maxent · « **Reply #2555 on:** February 05, 2015, 08:23:59 am »

Nice work vag, go get that 4x4!

vag · « **Reply #2556 on:** February 05, 2015, 01:46:49 pm »

^Thanks man, yes, 4x4@100kg is waiting for me. Was planned to happen on Saturday but i am going skiing for the weekend so it will be postponed for Monday.

5 February 2015

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

45 minutes full court basketball.
Why not 1,5 hours as usual? Because i landed on a foot and rolled my ankle, FFFFUUUUUUU

Gladly it was a very mild one. Does not even hurt now, 2 hours later. Still playing it safe, stopped bball immediately, put it in compression sleeve, now RICE-ing it.

vag · « **Reply #2557 on:** February 09, 2015, 04:28:33 am »

7 February 2015 : 6 hours of skiing

8 February 2015 : 6 hours of skiing

Legs are toasted, tons of systemic fatigue too. Skiing all day is always such a shock for the whole body. Makes sense, the TUT is humongous.

vag · « **Reply #2558 on:** February 11, 2015, 05:27:40 am »

10 February 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~87kg
Soreness : sore calves, tired/stiff quads and back
Injuries/aches : none

RSR based routine
Week #5 , Day #1

~~HANG POWER CLEAN:~~
Postponed again. Wanted to keep all resources for squats.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
4@100kg
4@100kg
4@100kg
4@100kg
-Very nice. With all that skiing aftermath, i was afraid i would not be able to pull it through.
Was not easy. Was not very beautiful either. Weight actually felt light on back, but legs were far from 100%.

BENCH PRESS:
10@55kg
10@55kg
10@55kg
10@55kg ( +2 reps )
-Got my 4x10, nice.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
7@BW
6@BW ( -1 rep )
6@BW
5@BW
-1 rep weaker here, duh!

STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
30@BW+50kg
28@BW+50kg ( +1 rep )
25@BW+50kg
-Very good considering calves were very sore. Much pain but who cares, no pain no gain.

vag · « **Reply #2559 on:** February 13, 2015, 05:22:33 am »

12 February 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~86.25kg
Soreness : none, i thought
Injuries/aches : none

RSR based routine
Week #5 , Day #2

~~HANG POWER CLEAN:~~
Shutting them down till ski week ( next Saturday ).

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
2@90kg
2@90kg
2@90kg
2@90kg
2@90kg
2@90kg
-After the first set, quads started burning. It was an intense soreness feeling, almost cramping. Weird.
Still weight was easy , doing them explosive despite the pain, bar jumping off shoulders at top of most reps.

UPRIGHT BB ROW:
10@35kg ( +2,5kg )
10@35kg ( +2,5kg )
10@35kg ( +2,5kg )
10@35kg ( +2,5kg )
-Crazy progress here, love it.

DB CURL:
10@18kg each hand
8@18kg each hand ( -2 reps per hand )
-Oops, run put of gas.

PREACHER BB CURL:
10@30kg ( +2,5kg )
10@30kg ( +2,5kg )
-10kg plates on the 10kg bar, badass!

TRICEPS ROPE PUSH DOWN:
10@27,5kg
10@27,5kg
10@27,5kg ( +1 rep )
9@27,5kg ( +2 reps )
-Good progress.

vag · « **Reply #2560 on:** February 15, 2015, 11:35:55 am »

14 February 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~86,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

RSR based routine
Week #5 , Day #3

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
3@105kg
3@105kg
2@105kg
-First missed rep on RSR. Didn't fail it , i did not even try it because second rep of third set was an ugly grinder.
Explanation lower.

BB OHP:
10@32,5kg
10@32,5kg
10@32,5kg
10@32,5kg ( +1 rep )
-Rather easy suddenly. First sets were explosive, i even recounted the weight to see if i loaded less.

BENT OVER DB ROW:
10 each hand @ 30kg ( +4 kg )
10 each hand @ 30kg ( +4 kg )
10 each hand @ 30kg ( +4 kg )
10 each hand @ 30kg ( +4 kg )
-Unexpected strong here too.

~~LANCE STANDING CALF RAISE ( explosive DL concentric, slow SL eccentric )~~
SEATED CALF RAISES:
30@20kg
25@30kg
20@40kg
-Switched to seated ones for those last couple of sessions. Liked them, different stimulus, might keep them.

So it looks like i messed up with gym timing. Had to go there 3 hours after waking up. Loaded a ton of caffeine, but it seems it didn't kick in until halfway of the session. Squats were off, 105kg was much harder than it should be. And then OHP and rows were much easier than they should be. So it looks like caffeine kicked in in between. OR, i am hopelessly weak at squats. Next session at 110kg will reveal the truth.

vag · « **Reply #2561 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:03:23 am »

16 February 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~85,75kg , bulk : you are doing it wrong!
Soreness : extremely sore calves, tired/stiff quads and back
Injuries/aches : none

RSR based routine
Week #6 , Day #1

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
1½@110kg
1½@110kg
Meh, fail. Lost depth in second reps of both sets.
In my defense, dorsi-flexion was impossible, calves were so sore that i could not even walk right.
Also a little unrecovered, previous heavy session was 48hrs before that. Supposedly there is a light day between heavy, but since i am leaving this Saturday for skiing, i have to skip light days to complete RSR in time.
Hopefully Thursday with some good rest/food and caffeine loading, i will PR at 115-120.

BENCH PRESS:
10@57,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@57,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@57,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
8@57,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
-Very strong for my standards.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
8@BW ( +1 rep ) , ties

( being ~1,5kg heavier so technically 1RM PR )
7@BW
6@BW
5@BW
-Very good.

STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
30@BW+50kg
30@BW+50kg ( +2 reps )
30@BW+50kg ( +5 reps )
-3x30 finally. Pure pain. Got it anyway.

LBSS · « **Reply #2562 on:** February 17, 2015, 10:22:58 am »

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vag · « **Reply #2563 on:** February 17, 2015, 02:18:56 pm »

Quote from: LBSS on February 17, 2015, 10:22:58 am

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Hahaha, the usual LBSS milkshake pic

But nah, was not in a dirty walk anyway, more like clean bulking at gym days.
Also, low bodyweight was probably a temporary thing, 24 hrs later i am 88kg in clothes.
Might drink one of those chocolate delights anyway,

vag · « **Reply #2564 on:** February 20, 2015, 05:50:19 am »

19 February 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~86.25kg
Soreness : very sore calves
Injuries/aches : none

RSR based routine
Week #6 , Day #2

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
5@bar
5@20kg
5@40kg
3@60kg
2@80kg
1@100kg
1@110kg
1@120kg ,

-Heaviest i have EVER full squatted, previous was 112,5kg@88kg. Obviously big 1RM/BW PR too ( 1.4 vs 1.25 ).
More impressed from the 110kg lift though, it flew up, shocking for me, i had to grind through it 3 days ago.
But , to stay modest and honest, i am not that strong. I was overloaded with caffeine ( 2 extra double coffees and 1 big redbull ), plus i psyched up, CNS was turbocharged.

UPRIGHT BB ROW:
10@37,5kg ( +2,5kg )
10@37,5kg ( +2,5kg )
10@37,5kg ( +2,5kg )
10@37,5kg ( +2,5kg )
-Light weight, caffeine.

DB CURL:
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand ( +2 reps per hand )
-Light weight, caffeine.

PREACHER BB CURL:
10@30kg
10@30kg
-Light weight, caffeine.

TRICEPS ROPE PUSH DOWN:
10@27,5kg
10@27,5kg
10@27,5kg
10@27,5kg ( +1 rep )
-Light weight, caffeine.

SEATED CALF RAISES:
30@20kg
30@20kg
30@20kg
-Light weight, caffeine.

Hahaha, it is so fun to be 'doped'.

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