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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2715 on: June 27, 2015, 11:02:25 am »
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You still have a better vert at 40 than me at 30. I think my SVJ is ~24 right now, dropstep ~26 or so. And you don't squat 120x7, low bar or whatnot.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2716 on: June 28, 2015, 06:30:45 am »
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But you can slrvj 35 or so being at your worse condition ever.
Anyway, I get what you are saying. But it is not about comparing me to you or someone else but comparing me to me.
I have been wanting to talk about it a lot, but it is not the time yet, wait 1 more month till my 'training season' ends.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2717 on: June 28, 2015, 11:49:39 am »
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I don't get it though. I mean I know everybody is different and all that, but something is "afoot" here. Maybe you have stronger quads or something?

Granted, I'm 10 kg heavier than you. So there you go.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2718 on: June 28, 2015, 01:44:40 pm »
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Yeah, i hear you. Weight also doesn't affect, i had 30'' SVJ / 34'' dropstep being ~90kg and about just as strong (weak) as now.
Maybe if there is a measurement, a quantity for expressing strength at the half squat depth ( or the DLRVJ depth if you will ), i can say i am good at it. For example, i remember you complaining about half squats with what, 100kg? And while my fulls squat max is around 110kg now, i can do 5 reps of half squats with 130kg extremely fast ( concentric much less than 1s ). Is that strong quads? hamstrings? good RFD? i have no clue.



27 June 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~83,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #40( Week #16)

HANG POWER CLEAN
5@20kg
3@30kg
2@40kg
1@50kg
1@60kg
0@65kg
0@65kg
0@65kg
-Was pretty close to 65, almost got it. Nice.

HIGH BAR ATG PAUSED SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@50kg ( extra set )
5@60kg
5@75kg ( +5 kg )
3@85kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@65kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Very good progress.

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP
10@16kg each hand
10@16kg each hand
10@16kg each hand
10@16kg each hand ( +2 reps )
-Nice.

BENT OVER DB ROW:
10 each hand @ 36kg
10 each hand @ 36kg
10 each hand @ 36kg
20 each hand @ 26kg
-Same with last time, gonna stay for a while and make them 'tighter'.

SEATED PAUSED CALF RAISE:
15@60kg
15@60kg
15@60kg ( +2 reps )
-Nice.



DAILY SMR:
none, bleh
SMR COMMIT COUNT: 15/27
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2719 on: June 28, 2015, 05:47:57 pm »
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Yeah that's why I say it's weird. Obviously there's an underlying cause... but I haven't been able to find out what it is. Long story short, it doesn't REALLY matter. You can only control what you can control, and that is strength, body composition and movement efficiency, pretty much.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2720 on: June 29, 2015, 06:44:50 am »
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^^^Word!

28 June 2015

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : hamstrings : quads and hamstrings and a tiny bit calves
Injuries/aches : none

RUNS & JUMPS SESSION :

Dynamic warmup 10'

2,5 KM ( ~1,5 MILE ) RUN :
Time : 18m:50s
Average speed : ~8 kmh
-Was jog and not run, wanted to do a LISS sesion. Was nice.

JUMPS:
Only the very low ( 9'6'' ) rim was free. I don't like jumping there, cant sync my rim touch well, plus i don't know where exactly i touched it because it is below wrist.
It was a 'bad' session because of the tired legs anyway, was getting 26'' SVJ / 28'' dropstep and 1 step.
And then... i had an apocalypse, an epiphany. I realized i am not actually trying to push off the balls of my feel with everything i got. It is like i have forgotten how to do a ME jump. I think this started with that long-term quad injury i had, that i kept re-flaring whenever i did a true ME jump. And because the time span was too long ( 8 months or so ) it became habitual?
So anyway, i said, Ok, now push it. At the first jump i failed. Next too. I couldn't push, the inhibition is still there. And after a few tries, i got it! Boom, 2'' higher immediately and repeatable. But more important, it felt great. Like the good oldtimes. I was always a voluntary force jumper anyway, so losing that aspect explains why i don't jump what i should be jumping ( according to my strength levels and body composition, compared to myself in the not-so-long past ).
Now i am not running into conclusions yet, gotta see how this works when fresh, if it is repeatable etc etc. But it is just felt great. And it feels very hopeful and motivational.

DAILY SMR:
None, booooooooo.
SMR COMMIT COUNT: 15/28
« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 06:47:43 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2721 on: June 29, 2015, 08:11:57 am »
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Yeah that's why I say it's weird. Obviously there's an underlying cause... but I haven't been able to find out what it is. Long story short, it doesn't REALLY matter. You can only control what you can control, and that is strength, body composition and movement efficiency, pretty much.

also sleep quality and, to an extent, mental state while jumping.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2722 on: June 30, 2015, 05:24:20 am »
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29 June 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~84kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #41 , ( Week #17 )

HANG POWER CLEAN
5@20kg
3@40kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
-50kg getting too light, should have done a few 52,5.

RDL:
8@85kg ( +2,5 kg )
8@90kg ( +2,5 kg )
8@95kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Awesome.

BENCH PRESS:
10@60kg ( -1 reps )
8@60kg
7@60kg ( +1 reps )
Total = 25 reps
Drop-set : 13@50kg ( +1 reps )
-Ok.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
8@BW
7@BW ( +1 reps )
6@BW
Total = 21 reps ( +1 reps )
Drop-set : Lat-Pulldown 12@150lbs
-Nice.

STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
30@BW+50kg
26@BW+50kg ( +1 reps )
23@BW+50kg ( +1 reps )
-Such burn, very TUT, wow.



DAILY SMR:
None, FFFFUUUUUUUUU
SMR COMMIT COUNT: 15/29
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2723 on: June 30, 2015, 07:14:13 am »
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What tempo do you have on the calf raises?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2724 on: June 30, 2015, 11:55:04 am »
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1:0:1 for them, which means no pause or slow eccentric, goal is 3x30.
But the other day of the week that i do seated raises i do 3x15 in 1:1:2 tempo, slow eccentric and pause at both ends of ROM.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2725 on: June 30, 2015, 04:01:35 pm »
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Why do you do seated raises.

Btw, I do something like explosive concentric, pause, 3 second eccentric.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2726 on: June 30, 2015, 05:03:47 pm »
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Don't seated calf raises mainly hit the soleus while standing calf raises mainly hit the gastrocs? And the gastrocs are more important for jumping...

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2727 on: June 30, 2015, 07:09:41 pm »
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Yes

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2728 on: July 01, 2015, 05:45:38 am »
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Agreed, i ignored seated raises all those years for the same reasons. But i am doing them this year, actually i started doing them before my ski week and i liked them and kept them.
Nothing bad at adding some variety. Plus, because of the lighter load ( no BW ) you can really focus on the ROM.
And raptor yes, i do the concentric explosive ( as much as i can anyway ) at both variations.
Was thinking the third option, go heavier, do less reps with longer eccentric, just like you do i guess. Soon.

Yesterday : rained like crazy so couldn't go out. At least i got back to SMR:

Foam rolling : IT bands, quads , 3x10
Stretch : Quads , hip flexors, hamstrings, calves , 1 session, 2 mins hold each position.

SMR COMMIT COUNT: 16/30
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2729 on: July 01, 2015, 11:10:33 pm »
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Do you think RDL is better than DL, GHR or BSS? Any reason why you prefer it?