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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2835 on: September 30, 2015, 11:43:02 pm »
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Vag what do you reckon for VC here, Age vs Vertical-wise? He's 38, didn't say what he jumped though.



just off pure visuals, looks ~38 or so.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2836 on: October 01, 2015, 04:35:21 am »
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Well, if we suppose that vertec is set to its maximum top (12') , it looks like he lost just one vane, so it would be a 11'11½'' touch. His reach is 8'11'' so yup, adarq was pretty accurate for a glance estimation, that is 36-37.

And now some blasphemy :
Unless that was an SVJ, age-vs-vertical-wise i am not impressed. He is VC. I got my fat unathletic junk-eating smoking drinking ass to 30'' SVJ / 35'' RVJ at 37 years old.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2015, 07:28:23 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2837 on: October 01, 2015, 09:25:15 am »
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I've actually gotten word on the official height he jumped from the testers: 36.5 inches.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2838 on: October 01, 2015, 11:06:23 am »
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hahahaha i have the same RVJ as vince carter. sure would be nice to reach 17" higher than i do.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2839 on: October 01, 2015, 12:36:41 pm »
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On the other hand, we didn't have his injuries, nor are we 6'7''/220lbs. Anyway.

30 September 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~86,75kg
Soreness : quads and glutes , little
Injuries/aches : none

RDL:
8@82,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
8@82,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
8@82,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Great.

BB LUNGE:
6 each leg @ 40kg
6 each leg @ 40kg
6 each leg @ 40kg
-Meh. I can go heavier but quads are always unrecovered from Monday squats and they hurt too much ( the front leg quad at eccentric ).

BENCH PRESS:
5@60kg
5@60kg
5@60kg ( +1 rep )
15@50kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Great.

INCLINE (45') DB PRESS:
12@16kg each hand ( +1 rep )
12@16kg each hand ( +1 rep )
12@16kg each hand ( +1 rep )
-Great.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
7@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW
6@BW
LAT PULLDOWN : 15@150lbs
-Nice.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2840 on: October 02, 2015, 04:58:40 am »
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1 October 2015

BBall was cancelled because the roof leaked water or sth, FFFFUUUUU.

Took the chance to add the missing beach-work of this week ( because of Monday gym session cut short ).

CURL: 2x12 @ 10kg each hand
HAMMER CURL : 2x12 @ 10kg each hand
CONCENTRATION CURL : 2x12 each hand @ 10kg
UPRIGHT ROW : 3x12 @ 10kg each hand
LATERAL RAISE : 3x12 @ 10kg each hand
TRICEP KICKBACK : 4x12 each hand @ 10kg
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2841 on: October 02, 2015, 05:00:43 am »
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If i had vince's reach i'd be doing windmills. Bastard. I dont know why people overrate NBA players dunking when you factor in all the advantages they have, not just height but reach and ~13-15 shoe size (this doesn't get accounted for in standing reach but it counts when you're reaching on a jump).
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2842 on: October 02, 2015, 08:55:26 am »
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You think windmills are so easy? You have to rotate your arm very powerfully and quickly in that split second that you're in air. It's not as you think it is.

Go to a lower rim that would give you his reach and try windmills, film them too.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2843 on: October 02, 2015, 08:59:05 am »
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You think windmills are so easy? You have to rotate your arm very powerfully and quickly in that split second that you're in air. It's not as you think it is.

Go to a lower rim that would give you his reach and try windmills, film them too.

perhaps you're right, i have thought windmill ability is more of a function of total air time than vertical reach on a jump .. still do i guess.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2844 on: October 02, 2015, 02:49:38 pm »
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You are both right, achieving a windmill is a function of both things:
-If you improve the speed you do the windmill motion, you will end the motion at a better position, so you can dunk it ( if it takes too long you will be on the way down ).
-If you improve your jump(hangtime) you do the same thing, you can take a little more time to do the windmill motion and still be at a dunkable height when you finish it.
-If you make your reach higher or the rim lower, you lessen the vert you need to dunk, so again you have better chances of dunking it on your way down.
Of course those do not apply to the extreme ends. So if your vert is 10'' and you try to windmill 8', you won't, because there is no time for you to complete the windmill motion. But for 'normal' jumps ( 30'' and above ) , 10'' of reach, or 10'' of lower rim, or 0.25 seconds of faster windmill motion can make the difference between dunking it or not.

2 October 2015

7 Days Vertical Jump Cure routine
Foam roll : IT bands, quads, hamstrings, glutes.
Stretch : groin, quads, hamstrings, hip flexors, calves.

Looks like quads are fine now. Looks like hamstrings/hip flexors tightness and abs strength are the weak links.
 
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2845 on: October 04, 2015, 12:07:30 pm »
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3 October 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~86kg, fake, AM without breakfast coming from a light dinner
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

HANG POWER SNATCH
5@22,5kg ( +2,5 kg rep )
5@32,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@37,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
3@42,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
2@47,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -1 rep ) , all time 2RM  :personal-record:
-Awesome!

SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@60kg
3@80kg
MSEM :
1@90kg
1@95kg ( +2,5 kg )
1@100kg ( +5 kg )
1@100kg ( +2,5 kg )
1@100kg
1@102,5kg
-Meh, good progress but  i wanted 105. Wasn't happening, weak day plus too much upping on first reps. 102,5 barely got up.

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP:
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand ( +1 rep )
9@18kg each hand
-Nice.

SEATED REAR DELT FLY MACHINE:
12@50lbs
10@65lbs ( +10 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
10@65lbs ( +5 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
-This machine has two plate series, one for 15lbs increments and one that adds only 5 or 10.
The small one is broken so i can only do 15lbs jumps. 50lbs is too easy, 65lbs too hard. Ill catch up with 65.

DEAD HANG NEUTRAL GRIP PULLUPS:
7@BW
7@BW ( +1 rep )
5@BW ( -1 rep )
NEUTRAL GRIP LAT PULLDOWN: 15@140lbs ( +2 reps )
-Nice.

SEATED PAUSED CALF RAISE:
15@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
15@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
13@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
-Nice.

No breakfast screw me up, i felt too weak. Still pretty good for a 'bad' day.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2015, 01:06:02 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2846 on: October 06, 2015, 04:04:46 am »
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3-4 weeks later, let's see if i sticked to the plan:

Important tweaks:
-O-lifts : Keep doing them all year round, add snatches besides HPC.      V , good strength progress too.
-Pchain : i have been neglecting glutes work. Gotta keep regular with lunges/BSS.      V
-Core : constantly neglected. Must do as often as possible, abs and back work.      X , still neglected. NEEDS EMPHASIS, CORE IS WEAK
-Stretch/SMR: Has to become a daily thing, it ain't that hard.      X , No news here either, constantly neglected.
-Cardio : Also as much as possible, even LISS when beat from the weights, gotta stay as fit/lean as i can.      ? Was doing good but kinda fainting lately. Must revive.
-Jumps : I am never jumping enough, not even close. Must keep at it, even in the winter with SVJs/dropsteps/DJs at home.      X ,  no jumps at all lately, sucks
-Upper : pump up the volume. Add an accessory exercise for every main lift i do.      V , having good progress.
-Nutrition : Moar protein. I am at ~100g on off days, 150-200 at gym days. Gotta add 50g to that.      V , steady on the +200g train.
-Sleep : I am a night owl. Always have been. Not gonna change. But i could just deal with it more active, try to go to bed earlier, every hour is a gain.      V , much improved. Maybe needs a little more

Cardio, core, stretch, jump.
Cardio and jumps are easy to fix, they were note really neglected, just fell a little back last two weeks as victims of circumstances. Abs will be fixed too, easy.
But stretch and SMR, gosh, why do they feel so boring to me, why is it so hard to discipline myself to do a few stretches throughout the day?
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2847 on: October 06, 2015, 04:15:04 am »
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^stuck, inb4 LBSS . I don't bother with the stupid crossfitty stretching stuff for the most part, it causes more harm than good. Oh your back feels off, do a stretch and make it worse! Yay! Same with that horrid bar across knee stretch i picked up off some crossfit/USA weightlifting/ faggot time video .. it was a culprit in my knee problems which has since dissipated. It got to the point where i'd expect a sharp pain in my knee whenever I did it and i was dreading squatting. Now i just skip straight to squatting the bar, no pain.  And tbh, ive been doing that stretch for years so im not saying it must cause problems, just that it was giving no benefit so i could have just skipped it all along.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2015, 04:25:58 am by maxent »
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2848 on: October 07, 2015, 04:30:52 am »
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6 October 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~87kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

HANG POWER CLEAN
5@22,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@32,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
3@42,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
3@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
2@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -1 rep ) , lifetime 2RM  :personal-record:
-This is going great. Took me 3 months to stabilize at 62,5kg 1RM last year, now i doubled it at first attempt.

ATG PAUSED SQUAT:
5@77,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@77,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@77,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
MEBM SQUAT ( no pause ) : 20@60kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Great progress here too. Getting hard though, but not fail-hard.

BENCH PRESS:
5@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
15@50kg
-Most solid benching in a long time.

INCLINE (45') DB PRESS:
Forgot, FFFFUUUUU, will try to fit them in tomorrow's workout

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
7@BW
7@BW( +1 rep )
6@BW
LAT PULLDOWN : 13@160lbs ( +10 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
-Nice.

PAUSED STANDING CALF RAISE ( 1:1:5 ):
8@BW+80kg ( +5 kg )
8@BW+80kg ( +5 kg )
8@BW+80kg ( +5 kg )
-Very Strong.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2849 on: October 07, 2015, 03:22:24 pm »
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do not use faggot as an insult.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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