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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3090 on: April 28, 2016, 08:42:49 am »
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wait your broad jump is 2.1m, but four bounds only gets you 4m? that doesn't even seem possible.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3091 on: April 28, 2016, 10:19:16 am »
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i have no idea what i was thinking. it makes sense. go ahead and downvote that post to bring it back to 0  :-[
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3092 on: April 28, 2016, 12:00:24 pm »
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Someone else did, lol.

I'm sure your eyes were tired or sth and you misread  the 4 of the 4-DL with the 9 of the 9m.

I removed my explaining message, feel free to remove yours too ;)
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3093 on: April 28, 2016, 05:49:02 pm »
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48hrs soreness kicked in hard, quads got really sore. Same with this back leg muscle, i always get very sore there when squatting after a long time. I always thought it was adductors but it is most probably the semimembraneous one. Abs are wrecked too, something in this sprints&bounds day hits them hard. All in all, i decided against going to the gym, time to rest that beat up body. Off for Easter, back to training in 5 days.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3094 on: April 29, 2016, 03:32:16 am »
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Sprints always give me ab soreness. Runs? Not so much. I think in the sprints it's the combination of the abs trying to keep the pelvis stable and also the iliopsoas working like crazy to pull the knees up.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3095 on: April 29, 2016, 04:23:47 am »
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That's what i suspect too. I think the 150m tempos get them too, as i try to do them not 'stride-style' but 'sprint-style': i don't start 100% and then let momentum carry me, i treat them like normal sprints, keep pushing at each stride, just not 100%. I feel i get a much better training effect that way, strides are too easy, only use them as warmup.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3096 on: April 29, 2016, 04:26:47 am »
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That's what i suspect too. I think the 150m tempos get them too, as i try to do them not 'stride-style' but 'sprint-style': i don't start 100% and then let momentum carry me, i treat them like normal sprints, keep pushing at each stride, just not 100%. I feel i get a much better training effect that way, strides are too easy, only use them as warmup.

That's exactly what I did yesterday. After 2 sprints of 150 meters I was dead. The worst is that my intestines/digestive system get inflamed when I run/exert effort, and that sucks the energy out of your body like crazy. You feel like giving up immediately and go home and rest for 3 days to recover.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3097 on: May 05, 2016, 06:36:06 pm »
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5 May 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~85.75kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #3
Gym day #1

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
3@50kg

SQUAT:
10@20kg
5@40kg
5@60kg
3@80kg
2@90kg

BENCH PRESS:
5@60kg
5@60kg
5@60kg
18@45kg

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
6@BW
6@BW
5@BW
LAT PULLDOWN DROP-SET: 20@130lbs

Getting back at it. Good HPC, ok squat. Legs much fresher, however NOT 100% (!). Ok upper body.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3098 on: May 06, 2016, 06:56:51 pm »
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6 May 2016

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : just a little, quads, chest and back
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #3
Park day #1


Dynamic warmup

4 * standing broad jumps :

3 * 4 DL bounds :

3 * 60m @ 100% :

Vertical Jump Testing

SVJ : 10'1'' / 26''
Dropstep : 10'2'' / 27''
1-step DLRVJ : 10'3'' / 28''
2-steps DLRVJ : 10'3'' / 28''
3-steps DLRVJ : 10'4'' / 29''
SLRVJ : 9'10'' / 23''  :uhhhfacepalm:
-Decided to do some jumps instead of bounds&60m sprints. Just to have a reference. Switching back to bounds&sprints.
Pretty bad, lol. Felt like i had literally zero bounce, no power transfer from run-ups at all. I did get some inches from them though.

6 * 150m @ 75% , start every 2 minutes
-Felt extremely easy.

1 * 150m @ 100% , ~24.5s , lifetime :personal-record:
-Used this arm swing video raptor posted, worked nice, fast arm strokes synced with legs felt right.
Nice to get a PR with just 2 minutes rest from the tempos.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3099 on: May 07, 2016, 02:45:03 am »
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6 May 2016

1 * 150m @ 100% , ~24.5s , lifetime :personal-record:
-Used this arm swing video raptor posted, worked nice, fast arm strokes synced with legs felt right.
Nice to get a PR with just 2 minutes rest from the tempos.

niiice!  :headbang:

I wonder if you had done some of those light tempos before jumping, if your runups+transitions would have felt alot better.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3100 on: May 07, 2016, 06:22:15 am »
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"Arm swing video"?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3101 on: May 07, 2016, 07:24:40 am »
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6 May 2016

1 * 150m @ 100% , ~24.5s , lifetime :personal-record:
-Used this arm swing video raptor posted, worked nice, fast arm strokes synced with legs felt right.
Nice to get a PR with just 2 minutes rest from the tempos.

niiice!  :headbang:

I wonder if you had done some of those light tempos before jumping, if your runups+transitions would have felt alot better.

Thanks! I am sure that all about this PR was the arm swing thing though.
As for the jumps, might try it next time. Although the broken run-ups were mostly about having forgotten how to do it. Last rim jump session was 1 month ago and the previous one was... idk, mid 2015, lololol.



"Arm swing video"?

Do you even watch what you post? :P

Speaking of the penultimate step:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eW0qMfGzb0

Also:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIty_hMMopA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIty_hMMopA</a>
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3102 on: May 07, 2016, 08:53:20 am »
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I do, but I don't remember where. Was it in this thread or another log?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3103 on: May 07, 2016, 09:01:29 am »
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Well done! That means your 60m and 100m times are far better than you thought.. I will look into that video too, soccer players are said to have notoriously bad arm movement. Did you just cue yourself to bring back the elbow forcefully?

I find that the cue of pushing the ground forcefully back works for me during acceleration then the arm swing might be implemented to reach max velocity before like he says easing so you don't decelerate rapidly.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3104 on: May 07, 2016, 12:19:19 pm »
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Haha, how the hell you remember strings theory with such a short memory? It was not long ago that you were amazed when i told you that clicking on the quote headline redirects you to the message. Don't let me even start about you being an experienced professional programmer, that's too basic, lol. I guess your RAM is fine, but your cache sucks!  :P

About the arm strokes, my n=1 anecdotal broscience opinion is that it is pretty natural. That is what feels right. Shorter or longer strokes just mess with the 'flow', you get out of sync. It didn't take much effort. I just practiced it a little bit like the coach does with the student. Then applied it while doing strides at warmup, worked at once. It is like the tempo-master for the whole body, legs just follow. Try it, it is extremely easy and efficient. Don't get too caught up in details like where is the elbow, how far back or front did i go etc etc, just stroke faster and let your legs follow.

Incoming fast-strokes joke in 3...2...1...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?