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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3690 on: January 17, 2019, 09:54:15 am »
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I have this pain on my left glute now, feels like a light strain. It started sometime previous week, went away, now that i run and redid lunges it aggravated. I am having some thoughts/fears that it may the be the spinal disc again, maybe it is herniating to the left side messing with some nerves. But i have no back pain at all, it has to be muscular. What i am saying is that the spine thing, even as a background or a subliminal thought is affecting my current training. Hope it doesn't screw it.

Yeah i've experienced that before. Try stretching hip flexors, when they're tight they'll cause it. If you're running check your cadence, if you're overstriding then it will cause it also, especially if you're reaching fatigue during your running (exacerbated i find if you do running after lifting) . Those two three things if you become cognisant of should help. Also get a TENS unit, it's probably my best friend and i use mine every day. Would not be able to train normally without my nightly back massage. Im actually having one right now as i type this message, ha.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3691 on: January 18, 2019, 06:20:44 am »
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Thanks for the insight maxent. I still don't dig the resistance thing. I mean I understand it and it makes sense, but it is different type of resistance. You can't make up wind resistance on your torso by increasing incline. You are no longer running, you are doing hill run, actually changing the sport you are doing to keep the needed effort over a given time with a given speed the same. On the other hand maybe 1% is too little to change the mechanics so it's just accurate. Not to mention i shouldn't argue about that since the actual running i do outside has more intense uphill-downhill sections. Anyway, i use the treadmill just to get some cardio in while the weather is bad, it is not actually running training, plus my speed is currently way below the threshold that would make wind resistance accountable, so it doesn't really matter, discussion is academic :)

17 January 2019

Bodyweight@session : forgot to check
Soreness : destroyed legs. quads hamstrings glutes, calves, everything.
Injuries/aches : none, glute bugging diminished very fast

TREADMILL:
30 minutes , ~4.2km ( +450m)
-Felt much worse that Tuesday. Probably because destroyed legs? Breaths were worse too. However i upped intensity, now included 5 mins @10kmh ( previous time it was 9 ).

ELBOW SUPPORTED TUCK ALTERNATING LEG RAISES ( LEFT-STRAIGHT-RIGHT):
21@BW ( +3 reps )
18@BW
18@BW( +3 reps )
-Nice progress!

CONTRALATERAL SUPERMAN:
20@BW
20@BW
20@BW
-Same reps but added a small pause at the top.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3692 on: January 21, 2019, 05:29:48 am »
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18 January 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84kg
Soreness : abs & legs
Injuries/aches : none

BENCH PRESS:
10@50kg
10@50kg
10@50kg ( +1 rep )
10@50kg ( +1 rep )

INCLINE BENCH DB FLY:
12@12kg per hand
12@12kg per hand
12@12kg per hand

SEATED DB CURL:
10 each hand @ 14kg
10 each hand @ 14kg
10 each hand @ 14kg ( +2 reps )
10 each hand @ 14kg ( +2 reps )

SEATED EZ BAR PREACHER CURL:
12@22,5kg
12@22,5kg ( +2 reps )
12@22,5kg ( +2 reps )

SEATED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
20@65lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@65lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@65lbs ( +15 lbs )

SEATED BACK EXTENSION MACHINE:
20@80lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@80lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@80lbs ( +15 lbs )

Good progress everywhere!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3693 on: January 23, 2019, 06:11:17 am »
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22 January 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
8@BW
8@BW ( +1 rep )
7@BW ( +1 rep )
7@BW ( +1 rep )

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED ROWS:
12@35kg ( +5 kg )
12@35kg ( +5 kg )
12@35kg ( +5 kg )

DIPS:
9@BW ( +1 rep )
8@BW ( +1 rep )
8@BW ( +1 rep )
8@BW ( +1 rep )

TRICEPS ROPE PUSHDOWN:
12@90lbs
12@90lbs ( +2 reps )
11@90lbs ( +2 reps )

SLANT BENCH LEG RAISE:
20@BW ( +2 reps )
18@BW ( +3 reps )
15@BW

45 DEGREES BACK EXTENSION:
15@BW
15@BW  ( +1 rep )
15@BW  ( +1 rep )

Much stronger everywhere. Loving it.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3694 on: January 24, 2019, 05:13:03 am »
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23 January 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

TREADMILL:
30 minutes , ~4.25km ( +50m)
-Tons of sweat. Kept 9kmh for 13 minutes. Finished with 2 last minutes @11kmh. There is a lot of room for more intensity but i insist on upping it slowly.
Also, i hate treadmill with passion, it is so boring and unnatural and restrictive. Can't wait for the weather to get better to go out and actually run.

ELBOW SUPPORTED TUCK ALTERNATING LEG RAISES ( LEFT-STRAIGHT-RIGHT):
24@BW ( +3 reps )
21@BW ( +3 reps )
21@BW ( +3 reps )
-Very nice!

CONTRALATERAL SUPERMAN:
20@BW
20@BW
20@BW
-Won't up reps anytime soon here, i am progressing how much i lift leg/hand and how much i pause on top.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3695 on: January 25, 2019, 04:30:37 am »
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24 January 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : some lats and abs
Injuries/aches : none

SQUAT:
10@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Back to oly shoes. So much more solid!

DB LUNGE:
8 each leg @ 12kg each hand
8 each leg @ 12kg each hand
8 each leg @ 12kg each hand
-Should have upped.

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP:
10@16kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )
10@16kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )
10@16kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )
10@16kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )
-Wow, big progress here. Deeper, easier, soooo much stronger.

SEATED LATERAL RAISE MACHINE:
12@20kg
12@20kg
12@20kg ( +2 reps )

STANDING CABLE TORSO TWISTS:
15 each side @ 35lbs
15 each side @ 35lbs
15 each side @ 35lbs
-Still working on form at those. I think this time i got them better, felt i was isolating core and hands didn't help much.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3696 on: January 28, 2019, 04:56:37 am »
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26 January 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : legs and some abs
Injuries/aches : none

BENCH PRESS:
10@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Very solid despite increasing weight.

INCLINE BENCH DB FLY:
12@14kg per hand ( +2 kg per hand )
12@14kg per hand ( +2 kg per hand )
12@14kg per hand ( +2 kg per hand )
-Very strong here too, expected them harder.

SEATED DB CURL:
10 each hand @ 14kg
10 each hand @ 14kg
10 each hand @ 14kg
10 each hand @ 14kg
-This one is a killer, can't add weight, first two sets are easy but third and forth end with hard grinders.

SEATED EZ BAR PREACHER CURL:
12@25kg ( +2,5 kg )
12@25kg ( +2,5 kg )
12@25kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Got all reps despite upping but it was hard, staying at this weight.

SEATED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
20@80lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@80lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@80lbs ( +15 lbs )
-Starting to get difficult at this weight.

SEATED BACK EXTENSION MACHINE:
20@95lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@95lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@95lbs ( +15 lbs )
-Still easy.

Strong day again. That was Saturday evening. Abs and biceps got pretty sore next day.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3697 on: January 29, 2019, 05:25:35 am »
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28 January 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : biceps and abs
Injuries/aches : none

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
9@BW ( +1 rep )
8@BW
7@BW
7@BW
-Felt strong but sore abs and biceps sabotaged me.

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED ROWS:
12@40kg ( +5 kg )
12@40kg ( +5 kg )
12@40kg ( +5 kg )
-It is getting difficult. Still very solid, will up again next week.

DIPS:
9@BW
9@BW ( +1 rep )
9@BW ( +1 rep )
8@BW
-Could have done 10 at first set.

TRICEPS ROPE PUSHDOWN:
12@90lbs
12@90lbs
12@90lbs ( +1 rep )
-Got all reps but can't up yet.

SLANT BENCH LEG RAISE:
20@BW
20@BW ( +2 reps )
18@BW ( +3 reps )

45 DEGREES BACK EXTENSION:
18@BW ( +3 reps )
15@BW
15@BW

Progress train continues.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3698 on: February 01, 2019, 05:55:41 am »
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31 January 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

SQUAT:
10@55kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@55kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@55kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@55kg ( +2,5 kg )

DB LUNGE:
8 each leg @ 14kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )
8 each leg @ 14kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )
8 each leg @ 14kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP:
10@18kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )
10@18kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )
10@18kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )
10@18kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )

SEATED LATERAL RAISE MACHINE:
12@22,5kg ( +2,5kg )
12@22,5kg ( +2,5kg )
12@22,5kg ( +2,5kg )

STANDING CABLE TORSO TWISTS:
18 each side @ 35lbs ( +3 reps per side )
18 each side @ 35lbs ( +3 reps per side )
15 each side @ 35lbs

Very strong everywhere. Getting 'aware' that my back is strong now. Feeling more and more confident day by day to let power flow through it, not sure i am describing it right, hope you get it.
Still, gonna stick with the plan, although the temptation to try more intense thing is growing huge. Doing this thing  im doing 3 more weeks, then i go skiing, then i re-eavaluate.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3699 on: February 01, 2019, 02:20:12 pm »
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Very strong everywhere. Getting 'aware' that my back is strong now. Feeling more and more confident day by day to let power flow through it, not sure i am describing it right, hope you get it.

that makes perfect sense, and that's great news!

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Still, gonna stick with the plan, although the temptation to try more intense thing is growing huge. Doing this thing  im doing 3 more weeks, then i go skiing, then i re-eavaluate.

ya hold back still for a bit! stick2theplan, it's a good plan.

greats news that you're feeling more confident though, that's a sign things are def healing/strengthening up.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3700 on: February 05, 2019, 04:04:52 am »
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^Thanks andrew!
Been a rough work & life week again, lets see if i can bounce back strong.

4 February 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

BENCH PRESS:
10@55kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@55kg ( +2,5 kg )
9@55kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -1 rep )
8@55kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
-Very strong despite missing a few reps, it was 2nd time in a row adding weight.

INCLINE BENCH DB FLY:
12@14kg per hand
12@14kg per hand
12@14kg per hand
-Strong, wide, solid. 16s seem too heavy in my mind though, might do 1 more time 14s

SEATED DB CURL:
10 each hand @ 14kg
10 each hand @ 14kg
10 each hand @ 14kg
10 each hand @ 14kg
-Stronger this time. Probably upping to 16s next time.

SEATED EZ BAR PREACHER CURL:
12@25kg
12@25kg
12@25kg
-2nd time at this weight, getting the reps but barely, can't up.

SEATED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
20@95lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@95lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@95lbs ( +15 lbs )
-Third time in a row adding 15lbs. Now it got really hard, can't up.

SEATED BACK EXTENSION MACHINE:
20@110lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@110lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@110lbs ( +15 lbs )
-Got a little difficult finally but just a little, will up again next time.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3701 on: February 07, 2019, 03:59:37 am »
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7 February 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84k,5g
Soreness : destroyed biceps and abs
Injuries/aches :

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
9@BW
9@BW ( +1 rep )
8@BW ( +1 rep )
7@BW
-Sabotaged by sore abs.

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED ROWS:
12@45kg ( +5 kg )
12@45kg ( +5 kg )
11@45kg ( +5 kg )( -1 rep )
-Sabotaged by sore biceps.

DIPS:
10@BW ( +1 rep )
9@BW
9@BW
8@BW
-Arms got tired in the end.

TRICEPS ROPE PUSHDOWN:
12@90lbs
12@90lbs
11@90lbs ( -1 rep )
-Sabotaged by sore abs.

SLANT BENCH LEG RAISE:
20@BW
20@BW
20@BW ( +2 reps )
-Weirdly, sore abs didnt affect those, very strong, WTF!

45 DEGREES BACK EXTENSION:
20@BW ( +2 reps )
17@BW ( +2 reps )
16@BW ( +1 rep )
-Strong.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2019, 08:09:38 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3702 on: February 11, 2019, 06:31:04 am »
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9 February 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

SQUAT:
10@60kg ( +5 kg )
10@60kg ( +5 kg )
10@60kg ( +5 kg )
10@60kg ( +5 kg )
-Very strong and solid.

DB LUNGE:
8 each leg @ 14kg each hand
8 each leg @ 14kg each hand
8 each leg @ 14kg each hand

SEATED CALF RAISE: ( new exercise )
12@40kg
12@40kg
12@40kg
-Ski travel is at the gates and i am not running as much as i planned so i gotta prepair calves for the monstrosity of skiing 50km a day.

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP:
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand

SEATED LATERAL RAISE MACHINE:
12@22,5kg
12@22,5kg
12@22,5kg

STANDING CABLE TORSO TWISTS:
15 each side @ 30lbs ( -5 lbs )
15 each side @ 30lbs ( -5 lbs )
15 each side @ 30lbs ( -5 lbs )
-Changed cable machine as advised by one of the gym coaches. Huge difference, this one really does the work, felt it when doing them, even got sore obliques next day.

Same loads everywhere except squats but also big improvement everywhere (and squats lol )  in how they feel. Upping everything next time.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3703 on: February 12, 2019, 03:18:32 am »
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11 February 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~85,5kg
Soreness : VERY sore legs all all around. some little abs and traps
Injuries/aches : none

BENCH PRESS:
10@55kg
10@55kg
10@55kg ( +1 rep )
10@55kg ( +2 reps )
-Solid.

INCLINE BENCH DB FLY:
12@14kg per hand
12@14kg per hand
12@14kg per hand
-Strong.

SEATED DB CURL:
10 each hand @ 14kg
10 each hand @ 14kg
10 each hand @ 14kg
10 each hand @ 14kg
-Again, first 2 sets easy, last reps of last 2 sets grinders.

SEATED EZ BAR PREACHER CURL:
12@25kg
12@25kg
12@25kg
-Some progress at ROM/control. Still not ready to up.

SEATED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
20@95lbs
20@95lbs
20@95lbs
-Hard, can't up.

SEATED BACK EXTENSION MACHINE:
20@125lbs ( +15 lbs )
20@125lbs ( +15 lbs )
18@110lbs ( +15 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
-Reached limit finally. This time i felt it in my low back muscles really good.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3704 on: February 14, 2019, 05:15:28 am »
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13 February 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84kg
Soreness : chest medium, shoulders biceps abs and back a tiny bit
Injuries/aches : none

TREADMILL:
5K @ ~37 minutes
-Wanted to start running outside this week but the weather is awful ( windy and cold ) and i also have too much work so its even worse at night that i get back home.
So treadmill that i hate it is. Went for the 5K today , first time doing that much on treadmill and first time doing 5K after back injury. Nice.
Wasn't that good, felt rusty (no run for ~20 days ). Paced at 9kmh for about 20kmh, then had to walk a bit, then play around between 7-8kmh. Blah, im sure i can do much better at the road.

ELBOW SUPPORTED TUCK ALTERNATING LEG RAISES ( LEFT-STRAIGHT-RIGHT):
27@BW ( +3 reps )
24@BW ( +3 reps )
21@BW
-Very nice!

CONTRALATERAL SUPERMAN:
20@BW
20@BW
20@BW
-Some progress at form ( mainly how much i raise back leg ), also at pause at top time.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?