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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3825 on: October 27, 2019, 02:29:37 am »
+1
^^^
Thanx man. Yes it does suck and it is all a stupid mind thing. e.g. , last time i quit was around 2005. I started again around 2009, BUT, i have never smoked even one at work. We do have a smoking lounge, so it is not forced that i don;t smoke. I just don't want to, my mind has somehow un-linked work and smoking. Ive never even been tempted. For 10 years!!! But the moment i walk out of work, i become an addicted semi-maniac smoker. How stupid is that? Actually that pattern is the most motivating thing for me to quit for good, it is proof that i don't really need it.

good stuff. i need to apply that kind of psychology to my fingernail biting habit. i was good for nearly 2 years but relapsed like 6 months ago.

u also don't smoke (or me bite my fingernails) when we sleep too.

good mental technique. i like it.

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23 October 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : legs, lats, chest
Injuries/aches : none

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP OHP:
10@12,5kg each hand
10@12,5kg each hand
10@12,5kg each hand
10@15kg each hand
10@15kg each hand

SS1:STANDING Z BAR CURLS:
12@15kg
12@20kg
12@20kg
12@25kg

SS2:TRICEPS ROPE PULL DOWN:
12@17kg
12@17kg
12@17kg
12@17kg

DB SHRUGS:
15@17,5kg each hand
15@17,5kg each hand
15@17,5kg each hand

SLANT BENCH LEG RAISE:
3x15@BW

45' BACK HYPEREXTENSIONS:
3x15@BW

Beach work after a long time. Rusty but fun workout. Bis-tris superset was dope, i was almost laughing with myself, like "dude wtf, wonna build guns???"



24 October 2019

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : some minor lats, shoulders, abs
Injuries/aches : none

1½ hours full court basketball.
HOLY SHIT! 3 days without smoking and fitness has magically skyrocket-ed. Didn't gas out at all. Didn't go hard at all plays of course, but still, the difference is chaotic. Literally!
And that is just scratching the surface, in 3 days the only actual change is that the carbon monoxide has been expelled from the body.
The real changes milestones are:
2 weeks : 30% lung function improvement.
1 month : Initiation of lung fibers regeneration
1 year : blood circulation/ lung function/capacity are vastly improved.
GO.GET.IT.

damn nice.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3826 on: October 28, 2019, 07:26:19 am »
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^Yes, i like such mind tricks, finding the switch, the 'if clause'. I think they can work pretty well for scientists and/or orthologists.
I was biting my nails too, was much easier to quit than smoking lol.  But even if you fail, so what? It doesn't cause lung cancer or heart attacks haha.
Good luck though, do the trick. See the code, recognize the if-then-else case, follow the other way. boom, easy :)



25 October 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

RDL:
8@30kg ( +10 kg )
8@50kg ( +10 kg )
8@70kg ( +10 kg )
8@80kg ( +10 kg )
6@85kg ( +5 kg )  ( -2 reps )
-Awesome

DIPS:
9@BW
9@BW ( +1 rep )
8@BW
8@BW
8@BW
-Small progress.

SEATED CABLE ROW:
10@47kg
10@53kg ( +6 kg )
10@53kg
10@59kg ( +6 kg )
10@59kg
-Very strong.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2019, 02:30:59 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3827 on: October 29, 2019, 10:18:50 am »
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So this weekend, being 6 days smoke free it was about time to see if this carbon monoxide thing is real or just placebo.


27 October 2019

RUN 5K @ 26'48'' , huge training course lifetime  :personal-record:  :personal-record: :personal-record: :ibrunning:

Boom! Wasn't even a time trial. Went just 'fast' , to see what would happen, 5'30'' km ( which is the pace for milestone 27'30'' 5K ) pace was definitely buffered, around 3km i realized i can break 27' if i push , i pushed, i PRed, it wasn't even all out, had some reserves at the end and jogged another 1,5km for 'cool-down'.
Previous PR was 27'55'' over one year ago. This season i haven't been able to go under 28' ( best was 28'5'' ).



28 October 2019

RUN 8K @ 53'8'' , :personal-record: :ibrunning:

8K is not a distance ive time trialed a lot, done it a few times, best tine was 54'52''. Have some similar pave 7Ks and 7.5Ks but they are all slower average pace despite the smaller distance, this one is a loud and clear 'longer' distance PR.
Was not a good night for running. Ate late, ate a lot, drunk a lot too. Went out thinking of a long slow run. What i didn't expect was that 6'30'' ish pace would be super easy. Had severe stomach heartburn, should have quit at 5-6km but was shocked of how effortless i was going. Did 8km, could have easily done 10 at that pace ( which would be a 10K PR at around 1:05:00, ive completed 10K only once at 1:09:00 ) but decided to keep it easy and save the 10K for a feeling good day, i recon i can do it sub-60 without it even  being an all out effort now.



So it looks like i got a brand new engine without the cigar smoke in my system. A much more powerful engine. All those intervals and fartleks and hill sprints and and and, they were plateauing at the smoke ingredients. It looks like i can really train and improve now, find my own limits, not the limits of the full-of-tar-and-carbon lungs. Can't wait to see more. Gotta pay some attention at not over-training though, this is a dangerous toy, being able to easily break PRs at every attempt at every distance i choose. Gotta buffer it a bit, let time for recovery, lungs are 'new' but legs are the good old rusty ones lol.

« Last Edit: October 29, 2019, 10:33:05 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3828 on: October 30, 2019, 01:29:23 am »
+1
damn that's nuts about biting fingernails being easier to quit than smoking. never even thought about it tbh.

and ya, biting fingernails is much less worrisome. feels good too fml :<

So this weekend, being 6 days smoke free it was about time to see if this carbon monoxide thing is real or just placebo.


27 October 2019

RUN 5K @ 26'48'' , huge training course lifetime  :personal-record:  :personal-record: :personal-record: :ibrunning:

Boom! Wasn't even a time trial. Went just 'fast' , to see what would happen, 5'30'' km ( which is the pace for milestone 27'30'' 5K ) pace was definitely buffered, around 3km i realized i can break 27' if i push , i pushed, i PRed, it wasn't even all out, had some reserves at the end and jogged another 1,5km for 'cool-down'.
Previous PR was 27'55'' over one year ago. This season i haven't been able to go under 28' ( best was 28'5'' ).



28 October 2019

RUN 8K @ 53'8'' , :personal-record: :ibrunning:

8K is not a distance ive time trialed a lot, done it a few times, best tine was 54'52''. Have some similar pave 7Ks and 7.5Ks but they are all slower average pace despite the smaller distance, this one is a loud and clear 'longer' distance PR.
Was not a good night for running. Ate late, ate a lot, drunk a lot too. Went out thinking of a long slow run. What i didn't expect was that 6'30'' ish pace would be super easy. Had severe stomach heartburn, should have quit at 5-6km but was shocked of how effortless i was going. Did 8km, could have easily done 10 at that pace ( which would be a 10K PR at around 1:05:00, ive completed 10K only once at 1:09:00 ) but decided to keep it easy and save the 10K for a feeling good day, i recon i can do it sub-60 without it even  being an all out effort now.



So it looks like i got a brand new engine without the cigar smoke in my system. A much more powerful engine. All those intervals and fartleks and hill sprints and and and, they were plateauing at the smoke ingredients. It looks like i can really train and improve now, find my own limits, not the limits of the full-of-tar-and-carbon lungs. Can't wait to see more. Gotta pay some attention at not over-training though, this is a dangerous toy, being able to easily break PRs at every attempt at every distance i choose. Gotta buffer it a bit, let time for recovery, lungs are 'new' but legs are the good old rusty ones lol.

if just a week of quitting smoking makes you feel so much better, imagine 6 months etc. crazy.

great stuff!

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3829 on: October 30, 2019, 07:18:56 am »
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^^^ Thanks again man. Yes, i cant wait to see what happens in the long term. About to buy a garmin fenix 5 that also estimates VO2 max ( based on resting vs max vs idk what HR ), supposed to be a good estimation, nothing like the real test of course but stil good. Pity i didn't have a measurement while smoking to know the real improvement.



29 October 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84kg
Soreness : some systemic fatigue from smashing running PRs lol
Injuries/aches : none

PAUSED ATG SQUAT:
10@20kg
10@40kg
10@45kg ( +5 kg )
10@50kg
10@55kg ( +5 kg )
-Progress again. Pauses at top set were not that strict, gonna work on than next week.

SEATED HORIZONTAL CHEST PRESS MACHINE:
10@50kg ( +5 kg )
10@50kg
10@55kg
10@55kg
10@60kg ( +5 kg )
-Nice.

WIDE GRIP LAT PULL DOWN:
10@53kg ( +6 kg )
10@53kg
10@59kg ( +6 kg )
10@59kg
10@59kg
-Strong. But not ready for 10@65kg.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3830 on: October 31, 2019, 05:35:52 am »
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30 October 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : some minor lats, chest
Injuries/aches : none

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP:
10@12,5kg each hand
10@15kg each hand ( +2,5 kg per hand )
10@15kg each hand ( +2,5 kg per hand )
10@15kg each hand
10@17,5kg each hand ( +2,5 kg per hand )
-Great progress.

SS1:STANDING Z BAR CURLS:
12@20kg ( +5 kg )
12@20kg
12@20kg
12@25kg
-Should have gone heavier, rather too easy.

SS2:TRICEPS ROPE PULL DOWN:
12@17kg
12@17kg
12@17kg
12@17kg
-This one is hard, jump is big too ( 6kg plates so next load is 35% heavier ), cant do 12@23kg yet.

DB SHRUGS:
15@20kg each hand ( +2,5 kg per hand )
15@20kg each hand ( +2,5 kg per hand )
15@20kg each hand ( +2,5 kg per hand )
-Strong.

SLANT BENCH LEG RAISE: 3x15@BW

45' BACK HYPEREXTENSIONS: 3x15@BW

Damn it, forgot abs and back!  :uhhhfacepalm:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3831 on: November 01, 2019, 09:48:48 am »
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31 October 2019

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : legs sore from squats 2 days ago. some overall arms too from yesterday
Injuries/aches : none

1½ hours full court basketball.
10 days smoke-less and the improvement was even bigger. Now chasing fast-breaks all the time. No skipped plays. Not going 100% in all plays of course, but no 'skipping' at all. This is amazing. Also my game is improving, i was not really playing lately, i was gassing out and then just saving whatever i could. Now i have the energy to do things throughout the entire game. And of course the more you attempt the more efficient you get. Found that missing motive to continue playing ( i discussed i might quit a few sessions ago ).
Love it! Now gotta see what will happen with vert.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3832 on: November 04, 2019, 07:54:34 am »
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1 November 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84,7kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

RDL:
8@30kg
8@50kg
8@70kg
8@80kg
8@85kg ( +2 reps )

DIPS:
9@BW
9@BW
9@BW ( +1 rep )
9@BW ( +1 rep )
8@BW

SEATED CABLE ROW:
10@47kg
10@53kg
10@59kg ( +6 kg )
10@59kg
10@59kg

Nice workout, small progress everywhere. However i felt too beat-up. Makes sense too, i have been going hard lately, 5 or 6 workouts per week, including race and course PRs in running, season PRs in weight room. Decided to give me all weekend off to recover.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3833 on: November 05, 2019, 04:18:43 am »
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4 November 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~85kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

PAUSED ATG SQUAT:
10@20kg
10@40kg
10@45kg
10@50kg
10@55kg
-Same loads, improved form/pauses, as planned.

SEATED HORIZONTAL CHEST PRESS MACHINE:
10@50kg
10@55kg ( +5 kg )
10@55kg
10@60kg ( +5 kg )
10@60kg
-Strong.

WIDE GRIP LAT PULL DOWN:
10@53kg
10@59kg ( +6 kg )
10@59kg
10@59kg
10@65kg ( +6 kg )
-Strong.

SLANT BENCH LEG RAISE: 3x20

45' HYPEREXTENSIONS : 3x20

2 days rest = strong comeback at the gym, nice!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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« Reply #3834 on: November 06, 2019, 04:06:01 am »
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5 November 2019

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : legs, chest, lats, all minor
Injuries/aches : none

RUN 6KM @ 34:56  :personal-record: :ibrunning:

2 weeks smoke-free today. Went for a 'relaxed' tempo run. Not slow, but not fast either, just comfortable. Shocked that this is now under 6'/km. Huge reserves, kinda cool at the end. Not even that much sweat.
Previous 6K PR was 35:34 and it was done in a 5K PR attempt + 1km jogging after.
What was even more impressive is that lungs felt good for more, it was sore-from-squats legs that slowed me down after 4km.

Ok, i will try to add 1 sub-6' km each time i go run. Sub 60' 10K should happen within a month that way.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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« Reply #3835 on: November 07, 2019, 04:39:18 am »
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6 November 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~85.2kg , nice , it is rising
Soreness : legs sore and tired. PRing every run while improving squat comes with a cost.
Injuries/aches : none

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP:
10@15kg each hand ( +2,5 kg per hand )
10@15kg each
10@15kg each
10@17,5kg each hand ( +2,5 kg per hand )
10@17,5kg each hand
-Good progress again. Improvement in form too.

SS1:STANDING Z BAR CURLS:
12@20kg
12@22,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
12@25kg ( +5 kg )
12@25kg
-Nice.

SS2:TRICEPS ROPE PULL DOWN:
12@17kg
12@17kg
12@17kg
12@17kg
-Same loads again but this time they felt easier. I can up a couple of sets next time.

DB SHRUGS:
15@20kg each hand
15@20kg each hand
15@20kg each hand
-More solid. Kinda slower execution. I don't have heavier DBs so i will either add sets or slow down tempo.

Nice fun fast strong workout.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3836 on: November 08, 2019, 04:18:58 am »
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7 November 2019

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : quads still sore. some glutes too. arms sore from yesterday, especially shoulders
Injuries/aches : none

1½ hours full court basketball.
Very good fitness again. No subs this time so it was non stopped. Gassed out eventually but that was a little after the 1 hour mark, so that is more than awesome.
On the bad side, vert is still mediocre. I don't know, maybe it is the age, maybe not practicing it, maybe the spine injury... its gone. It sucks big time, im losing blocks and rebounds that i had '100%' sure. Maybe i gotta go out and start jumping, maybe my body just forgot it, or it needs a verification that spine is ok so it can excel all the force it wants. Or else that was it
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3837 on: November 11, 2019, 05:59:19 am »
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8 November 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~85,3kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

RDL:
8@30kg
8@50kg
8@70kg
8@80kg
8@90kg ( +5 kg )

DIPS:
10@BW ( +1 rep )
9@BW
9@BW
9@BW
9@BW ( +1 rep )

SEATED CABLE ROW:
10@53kg  ( +6 kg )
10@59kg  ( +6 kg )
10@59kg
10@59kg
10@65kg ( +6 kg )

Very strong, good progress everywhere!



10 November 2019

Went for a run, goal was long-ish run, see how far i can go keeping a 6' km pace.
Cons: Was only 4 hours after lunch ( which included consuming half a bottle of red wine ). Also coming from a night out, so add 3 double whiskys probably still in the system.
Pros: good dew point ( 18'C / 66%RH ) , 20 days smoke-less.

Result:
8KM @ 45:29 , huge  :personal-record: :personal-record: :personal-record: , previous was 53:08
5KM split : 28:44 , must be in top 5 ever at this course.
6KM split : 34:16 , lifetime  :personal-record: , previous was 34:56 last week which i thought was outstanding.
7KM split : 40:04 , lifetime  :personal-record: , previous was 46:52

This is ridiculous. I'm literally in shock. 5:40 was a pace i was getting at my pre-race all out 5K time trials, grinding and grunting and feeling beat-up at the end, with a HR over 175. Now i got it going just comfortable. HR at the end was 150bpm. I had soooo much more reserves, i did the last km faster, at 5:24 and that was still buffered. I even snubbed the sub-60 10K which is a major milestone for me, because it seemed so easy that i prefer to do it a day that im feeling better so i can push it and record a real good PR.
Can't find a better description to all this than shocking. Absolutely shocking. The enjoyment of exploring the smoke free capabilities is huge, it will end at some point when i catch up with my natural limits, but i guess that this will go on for a few months as my lung function keeps improving.
Delighted!  :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf:  :ibrunning: :ibrunning: :ibrunning: :personal-record: :personal-record: :personal-record:
« Last Edit: November 11, 2019, 06:46:59 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #3838 on: November 12, 2019, 04:24:10 am »
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11 November 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~85.4kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

PAUSED ATG SQUAT:
10@20kg
10@40kg
10@50kg ( +5 kg )
10@50kg
10@55kg

SEATED HORIZONTAL CHEST PRESS MACHINE:
10@55kg ( +5 kg )
10@55kg
10@60kg ( +5 kg )
10@60kg
10@60kg

WIDE GRIP LAT PULL DOWN:
10@59kg ( +6 kg )
10@59kg
10@59kg
10@65kg ( +6 kg )
10@65kg

Progress is very difficult now. But it is still there.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #3839 on: November 13, 2019, 05:52:56 am »
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12 November 2019

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : legs, chest, lats
Injuries/aches : none

FARTLEK :
500m jog - 1KM sprint @ 04:28 , lifetime  :personal-record: , previous was 4:40
500m jog - 1KM sprint @ 04:34 , would also be PR until 7 minutes ago lol
500m jog - 1KM sprint , didn't time
2x500m jog - 500m sprint , didn't time
500m jog

TOTAL : 7km @ 43'14'' , second fastest ever.

Sore legs from squats. Wet course. Light rain during the run. Sprints not @100%, deliberately buffered. Doesn't matter,  :personal-record: :ibrunning: :personal-record: :ibrunning:
Even more impressed from recovery. Didn't have to walk after the sprints, just slow jog, kept moving for the entire 7km and was good for more. Love it.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?