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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #180 on: March 07, 2010, 09:21:46 pm »
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sup man, i looked at them a few times..

first vid, your legs look alot stronger, but your runups are shorter.

second vid, runups are longer, but legs look a bit weaker..

which vid are you jumping higher in? first?

combine that strength with a further runup, via practice or whatever, and these jumps should eclipse those.

what do you think ?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #181 on: March 08, 2010, 05:00:15 am »
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sup man, i looked at them a few times..

first vid, your legs look alot stronger, but your runups are shorter.

second vid, runups are longer, but legs look a bit weaker..

which vid are you jumping higher in? first?

combine that strength with a further runup, via practice or whatever, and these jumps should eclipse those.

what do you think ?

They are mixed videos , there exist dunks from the  same sessions in both of them.
The only way to recognise which was 'later' is the format , early summer is 4:3 , deep summer 16:9
But indeed as time progressed away from gym i was getting springier/leaner but weaker.
I think the best jumps where somewhere in the middle. ~1month without lifting.
This is where you can see a few jumps that are both powerfull and with longer runup.

At this time ( june 2009 ) i have touched that 9'10'' rim  9'' lower on my hand. I thought back then that it was 9'11,5'' so i thought i could jump 33,5''.
1 week after i was at 2 different gyms , and it was the only time ever i could get my wrist to the rim, consistently. That was actualy 33'' which is my PR, but thinking my PR was 33,5'' i didnt record those as PR in my mind.
Then i remeasured the 9'10'' rim and changed my PR to 32'' , forgeting i had those 33'' legit jumps in the middle.

Conclusion #1 : Im reajusting my RVJ PR to 33'' Hurrayyyyyy!
Conclusion #2 : My best jumps are when i combine strength with reactivity ( no shit!!! ).
Conclusion #3 : Fuck it all , spinach is like roids , gonna gain 55inches in 3 weeks! :D :D :D

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #182 on: March 08, 2010, 05:08:01 am »
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sup man, i looked at them a few times..

first vid, your legs look alot stronger, but your runups are shorter.

second vid, runups are longer, but legs look a bit weaker..

which vid are you jumping higher in? first?

combine that strength with a further runup, via practice or whatever, and these jumps should eclipse those.

what do you think ?

They are mixed videos , there exist dunks from the  same sessions in both of them.
The only way to recognise which was 'later' is the format , early summer is 4:3 , deep summer 16:9
But indeed as time progressed away from gym i was getting springier/leaner but weaker.
I think the best jumps where somewhere in the middle. ~1month without lifting.
This is where you can see a few jumps that are both powerfull and with longer runup.


ah.. ya i was thoroughly confused at times, watching those..

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At this time ( june 2009 ) i have touched that 9'10'' rim  9'' lower on my hand. I thought back then that it was 9'11,5'' so i thought i could jump 33,5''.
1 week after i was at 2 different gyms , and it was the only time ever i could get my wrist to the rim, consistently. That was actualy 33'' which is my PR, but thinking my PR was 33,5'' i didnt record those as PR in my mind.
Then i remeasured the 9'10'' rim and changed my PR to 32'' , forgeting i had those 33'' legit jumps in the middle.

Conclusion #1 : Im reajusting my RVJ PR to 33'' Hurrayyyyyy!

hah nice..

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Conclusion #2 : My best jumps are when i combine strength with reactivity ( no shit!!! ).

yup, both qualities should be improved!@$@!

:)

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Conclusion #3 : Fuck it all , spinach is like roids , gonna gain 55inches in 3 weeks! :D :D :D

hah.. interesting stuff though right?

i've had people dose up like crazy and PR on jumps/lifts, but no one could eat 2 lb a day for more than 2 weeks.. burn out city.

i'm going to try and eat one bag a day consistently, pretty much every day.. better than nothing.

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #183 on: March 08, 2010, 02:54:49 pm »
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7 March 2010
"The 7 day vertical jump cure" routine.
My usual lower body stretch routine.


8 March 2010
"The 7 day vertical jump cure" routine.
My usual lower body stretch routine.

That 7DVJC turns out to be really good. Well , i expected nothing less from Kelly...
Interesting part is that the more often i do it , the better it feels. Great abs/butts activation.


Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #184 on: March 09, 2010, 03:12:41 pm »
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9 March 2010

Weight@session : ~187lbs

Dynamic warmup 5'
Lateral line hops 3x10sec
1x5 18'' depth jumps for stimulation.

5 mins rest.

10' rim jumps:
1x5 SVJs : ~26''
2x5 RVJs : ~30,5'' , runups felt a little better, but not a lot.

Then i tried some dunks, again runup + height the same stalled feeling and result.
And then i tried to use my left hand to dunk , ive never done that before since im right-handed and it feels much more natural with my right hand.
And... BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!
- Grip is 10 times stronger , i can easily palm the ball constantly when i have to really try with right!
- The rotation at takeoff feels much more natural and fluid.
- That boosted my confidence too and suddently my 3-step runups were better than ever.

Got probably my 2 best runup-jump-dunk's ever!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhAqlMFSRiw

Awesome shit! :D
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #185 on: March 09, 2010, 03:58:30 pm »
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haha nice!

ya, LR + left hand goes better together.. especially since most people have some rotation going on.

i sucked at LR + left though..

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #186 on: March 11, 2010, 02:53:13 pm »
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11 March 2010

"The 7 day vertical jump cure" routine.
My usual lower body stretch routine.

Work and life prevented my from going to the gym this week too. :/
Its been a month since last weight training , hope i can make it next week!

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #187 on: March 11, 2010, 08:25:51 pm »
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11 March 2010

"The 7 day vertical jump cure" routine.
My usual lower body stretch routine.

Work and life prevented my from going to the gym this week too. :/
Its been a month since last weight training , hope i can make it next week!



ya i was wondering what was up!

pc

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #188 on: March 12, 2010, 08:28:35 am »
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Planing my next routine(s):

I think i want to go back to traditional strength training for a while.
Want to add some limit strength and mass, i felt much better when bulked than now.
Also reviewing my whole journal , i think the best jumps where at the peak of the strength training cycle , when i was ~200lbs and ~19%bodyfat.

Anyway , the big picture is:

2 Cycles of traditional strength training ( like 5weeks+1week unloading )
That would be like ~12 weeks , until mid June that is.
Then turn it to reactive + squating MSEM for strength maintenance till September.

Strength cycle will be like:
Day1:
Squat 5x5
Romanian deadlift 3x8
Calves 3x12
Lat pulldowns

Day2:
Squat 5RM ( or maybe MSEM?)
BSS 3x8
Calves 3x12
Bench

Plyos = a dunk session before the heavy squats ( day 1 ) and possibly some DJs or RVJs before day2.
Also some cardio ( including  sprints ) on off days.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #189 on: March 13, 2010, 06:54:17 am »
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13 March 2010

Vertical jump testing

Weight : ~187
Jumping on concrete , rim jumps at 9'10'' and 10' rims.
Ideal conditions , 15 degrees+sun.

Dynamic warmup 10'
Bunch of low/mid effort jumps.

1x5 SVJs : average 26+'' , max 27''

5x5 DLRVJs : average ~31+'' , max 32''

Verified that i get like 1'' higher with left hand , feels much more efortless and coordinated too.
30'' was peace of cake , 31'' was rather easy too.
Got my max 32'' in many jumps, wasnt just the 1-2 great jumps you get at some sessions.
32'' ( 10'7'' ) was right there, consistency! :D

That was final session chasing PRs, thats where i am currently , going back to training now.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #190 on: March 13, 2010, 07:28:11 am »
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13 March 2010

Vertical jump testing

Weight : ~187
Jumping on concrete , rim jumps at 9'10'' and 10' rims.
Ideal conditions , 15 degrees+sun.

Dynamic warmup 10'
Bunch of low/mid effort jumps.

1x5 SVJs : average 26+'' , max 27''

5x5 DLRVJs : average ~31+'' , max 32''

Verified that i get like 1'' higher with left hand , feels much more efortless and coordinated too.
30'' was peace of cake , 31'' was rather easy too.
Got my max 32'' in many jumps, wasnt just the 1-2 great jumps you get at some sessions.
32'' ( 10'7'' ) was right there, consistency! :D

nice nice, keep it up.

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That was final session chasing PRs, thats where i am currently , going back to training now.

what did you mean by "final session chasing PR's"?

pc

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #191 on: March 13, 2010, 07:49:20 am »
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That was final session chasing PRs, thats where i am currently , going back to training now.

what did you mean by "final session chasing PR's"?

pc

I meant that it felt like i cant do better currently.
All latest sessions had some kind of "excuse"
Too cold , humidity , wet court , soreness , fucked up runups , not feeling it bla bla bla.
So i kept chasing a good session, to see where my max RVJ/SVJs are.
This one was perfect, felt good , coordinated , feeling all jumps as maximal etc
So thats what i meant "final" session, entering a strength training cycle i expect my jumps to drop for a while...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #192 on: March 13, 2010, 08:36:43 am »
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That was final session chasing PRs, thats where i am currently , going back to training now.

what did you mean by "final session chasing PR's"?

pc

I meant that it felt like i cant do better currently.
All latest sessions had some kind of "excuse"
Too cold , humidity , wet court , soreness , fucked up runups , not feeling it bla bla bla.
So i kept chasing a good session, to see where my max RVJ/SVJs are.
This one was perfect, felt good , coordinated , feeling all jumps as maximal etc
So thats what i meant "final" session, entering a strength training cycle i expect my jumps to drop for a while...

ah..

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #193 on: March 13, 2010, 10:08:29 am »
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Well you don't want to stop chasing PR's, you can stop testing a lot, but you still want to be aiming for PR's

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #194 on: March 13, 2010, 10:24:45 am »
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Well you don't want to stop chasing PR's, you can stop testing a lot, but you still want to be aiming for PR's

Yes , thats what i meant, i'll still be doing max jumps , i meant i finally got a session that felt like a true max one.
Wrong phrasing i guess. Correct phrasing would be that this was the final session of a "testing a lot" series...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?