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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1110 on: July 16, 2011, 06:27:34 pm »
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and i am not a hot blonde  :P

Like, who cares? As long as you can pistol squat, we can date each other.


Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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« Reply #1111 on: July 19, 2011, 04:42:33 pm »
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19 July 2011

Bodyweight@session : ~188 ,  :personal-record::wowthatwasnutswtf:
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : none

10 mins dynamic warmup

ME jumps :

1x4 SVJs : max 29''
1x4 dropsteps : max 31''
3x4 RVJs : max 33''
-WTF , sick!!! I was extremely bouncy, felt so light and springy. Totally different jumping mechanics out of nowhere. I tended to want fast runups naturally , best jumps were off 4 steps ( haven't done such for like... 2 years??? )
I couldn't even time my rim touches correct because of  the difference.
No caffeine , bad surface , bad light , haven't jumped truly ME for 3 weeks or more and i got those jumps , insane.

ATG PISTOL SQUATS:
4x8@BW
-Right leg needs some assistance at the bottom , left flies up.

SINGLE LEG CALVE RAISES ( 1:2:1 ):
3x20@BW
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1112 on: July 19, 2011, 04:51:44 pm »
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188 lbs bodyweight and great jumping. Coincidence? I think not :highfive:

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« Reply #1113 on: July 19, 2011, 07:02:35 pm »
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188 lbs bodyweight and great jumping. Coincidence? I think not :highfive:

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« Reply #1114 on: July 19, 2011, 08:04:51 pm »
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When I had my back problem I think I stayed about one month away from lifting. Didn't lose anything at all. I also had a period of no squatting when I had my knee thing, for about 3 months, and didn't lose anything as well.

Do u mean u didn't lose anything from your jumping results, or nothing from your squat/lifting maxes, or both??  Because this might be the program I've been looking for. ;D

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« Reply #1115 on: July 19, 2011, 08:21:24 pm »
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19 July 2011

Bodyweight@session : ~188 ,  :personal-record::wowthatwasnutswtf:
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : none

10 mins dynamic warmup

ME jumps :

1x4 SVJs : max 29''
1x4 dropsteps : max 31''
3x4 RVJs : max 33''
-WTF , sick!!! I was extremely bouncy, felt so light and springy. Totally different jumping mechanics out of nowhere. I tended to want fast runups naturally , best jumps were off 4 steps ( haven't done such for like... 2 years??? )
I couldn't even time my rim touches correct because of  the difference.
No caffeine , bad surface , bad light , haven't jumped truly ME for 3 weeks or more and i got those jumps , insane.

ATG PISTOL SQUATS:
4x8@BW
-Right leg needs some assistance at the bottom , left flies up.

SINGLE LEG CALVE RAISES ( 1:2:1 ):
3x20@BW


WTF is goin on here??  All my gym numbers are about the same as yours including height/wt/squat/ratios, etc and my jumps are about 10in lower than yours!!!   How is this possible?  What's the secret ingredient?? :pissed: :pissed:

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1116 on: July 20, 2011, 01:33:06 am »
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When I had my back problem I think I stayed about one month away from lifting. Didn't lose anything at all. I also had a period of no squatting when I had my knee thing, for about 3 months, and didn't lose anything as well.

Do u mean u didn't lose anything from your jumping results, or nothing from your squat/lifting maxes, or both??  Because this might be the program I've been looking for. ;D

Not jumping nor squat numbers. But I was talking about the squat numbers.

19 July 2011

Bodyweight@session : ~188 ,  :personal-record::wowthatwasnutswtf:
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : none

10 mins dynamic warmup

ME jumps :

1x4 SVJs : max 29''
1x4 dropsteps : max 31''
3x4 RVJs : max 33''
-WTF , sick!!! I was extremely bouncy, felt so light and springy. Totally different jumping mechanics out of nowhere. I tended to want fast runups naturally , best jumps were off 4 steps ( haven't done such for like... 2 years??? )
I couldn't even time my rim touches correct because of  the difference.
No caffeine , bad surface , bad light , haven't jumped truly ME for 3 weeks or more and i got those jumps , insane.

ATG PISTOL SQUATS:
4x8@BW
-Right leg needs some assistance at the bottom , left flies up.

SINGLE LEG CALVE RAISES ( 1:2:1 ):
3x20@BW


WTF is goin on here??  All my gym numbers are about the same as yours including height/wt/squat/ratios, etc and my jumps are about 10in lower than yours!!!   How is this possible?  What's the secret ingredient?? :pissed: :pissed:

Awesomeness.

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« Reply #1117 on: July 20, 2011, 01:52:55 am »
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When I had my back problem I think I stayed about one month away from lifting. Didn't lose anything at all. I also had a period of no squatting when I had my knee thing, for about 3 months, and didn't lose anything as well.

Do u mean u didn't lose anything from your jumping results, or nothing from your squat/lifting maxes, or both??  Because this might be the program I've been looking for. ;D

Not jumping nor squat numbers. But I was talking about the squat numbers.

19 July 2011

Bodyweight@session : ~188 ,  :personal-record::wowthatwasnutswtf:
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : none

10 mins dynamic warmup

ME jumps :

1x4 SVJs : max 29''
1x4 dropsteps : max 31''
3x4 RVJs : max 33''
-WTF , sick!!! I was extremely bouncy, felt so light and springy. Totally different jumping mechanics out of nowhere. I tended to want fast runups naturally , best jumps were off 4 steps ( haven't done such for like... 2 years??? )
I couldn't even time my rim touches correct because of  the difference.
No caffeine , bad surface , bad light , haven't jumped truly ME for 3 weeks or more and i got those jumps , insane.

ATG PISTOL SQUATS:
4x8@BW
-Right leg needs some assistance at the bottom , left flies up.

SINGLE LEG CALVE RAISES ( 1:2:1 ):
3x20@BW


WTF is goin on here??  All my gym numbers are about the same as yours including height/wt/squat/ratios, etc and my jumps are about 10in lower than yours!!!   How is this possible?  What's the secret ingredient?? :pissed: :pissed:

Awesomeness.

Well then seems there's no reason to train at all based on these results.  I'm takin the rest of the year off.  See ya.

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« Reply #1118 on: July 20, 2011, 06:04:46 am »
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WTF is goin on here??  All my gym numbers are about the same as yours including height/wt/squat/ratios, etc and my jumps are about 10in lower than yours!!!   How is this possible?  What's the secret ingredient?? :pissed: :pissed:

Awesomeness.

Well then seems there's no reason to train at all based on these results.  I'm takin the rest of the year off.  See ya.

LOL!

@fedexpress : Ive been reading your journal , your jumps are indeed very low for your strength (absolute & relative ). I mean it's not like we are beasts or something , but having relative strength of ~1.75BW and reasonable bodyfat does not go together with your ~20'' jumping ability!

Few things i noticed:
- You are coming out from a serious detraining , 235lbs , 21%bf , some serious injury etc. Your body composition improved to a decent level now but it takes time to get back to a decent performing steady state , takes more time the older you are ( said the 37yo kid ! ).
- You haven't been practicing jumps much. If you're interested in jumping you must remember it is a skill that needs practice. You should jump ME 2 times a week and 1 or 2 more sessions of submax jumps ( or ME with low volume ) will not harm you.
- I didn't see much deep squatting. I love half squats myself , but always keep some deep ones in the plan. Your 1 leg parallel box squats demonstrates this too IMO. Our half squat numbers are the same but you are struggling with 45lbs on the SL , i can do 20 reps easy with that weight.
Still , if you just went out and jumped a bit more i'd expect you to reach 30'' rather soon and easy.
Looking forward to see your progress.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1119 on: July 20, 2011, 09:50:20 am »
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You're wasting away
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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« Reply #1120 on: July 20, 2011, 10:15:07 am »
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You're wasting away

Maybe, i'm trying to avoid it though.
I am trying to preserve as much strength and muscle during that ( planned ) weight loss. Have been at the 195+ area for too long , want to see how my jumping will be effected below 190. I will push a bit more , hoping to get a good session ( fully recovered and stimed ) at ~185 before leaving for holidays.
Last night was awesome feeling , i could feel the bounce, loading and releasing like a spring.
It looks like it's going good , weight lowers slowly , waist and bodyfat measurements go down, strength seems good too , my pistol squats ( box and deep ones ) are stronger than ever.

Oh wait , were you just teasing?  :P
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1121 on: July 20, 2011, 11:16:21 am »
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I squatted more at 81.5 kg than at my former 86 kg. Granted, I didn't try 145 back then.

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« Reply #1122 on: July 20, 2011, 12:21:03 pm »
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You're wasting away

Maybe, i'm trying to avoid it though.
I am trying to preserve as much strength and muscle during that ( planned ) weight loss. Have been at the 195+ area for too long , want to see how my jumping will be effected below 190. I will push a bit more , hoping to get a good session ( fully recovered and stimed ) at ~185 before leaving for holidays.
Last night was awesome feeling , i could feel the bounce, loading and releasing like a spring.
It looks like it's going good , weight lowers slowly , waist and bodyfat measurements go down, strength seems good too , my pistol squats ( box and deep ones ) are stronger than ever.

Oh wait , were you just teasing?  :P


 :P :-* ::) :wowthatwasnutswtf: ;D :P :strong: :uhhhfacepalm: ;) ;D what?
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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« Reply #1123 on: July 20, 2011, 02:54:14 pm »
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WTF is goin on here??  All my gym numbers are about the same as yours including height/wt/squat/ratios, etc and my jumps are about 10in lower than yours!!!   How is this possible?  What's the secret ingredient?? :pissed: :pissed:

Awesomeness.

Well then seems there's no reason to train at all based on these results.  I'm takin the rest of the year off.  See ya.

LOL!

@fedexpress : Ive been reading your journal , your jumps are indeed very low for your strength (absolute & relative ). I mean it's not like we are beasts or something , but having relative strength of ~1.75BW and reasonable bodyfat does not go together with your ~20'' jumping ability!



Few things i noticed:
- You are coming out from a serious detraining , 235lbs , 21%bf , some serious injury etc. Your body composition improved to a decent level now but it takes time to get back to a decent performing steady state , takes more time the older you are ( said the 37yo kid ! ).
- You haven't been practicing jumps much. If you're interested in jumping you must remember it is a skill that needs practice. You should jump ME 2 times a week and 1 or 2 more sessions of submax jumps ( or ME with low volume ) will not harm you.
- I didn't see much deep squatting. I love half squats myself , but always keep some deep ones in the plan. Your 1 leg parallel box squats demonstrates this too IMO. Our half squat numbers are the same but you are struggling with 45lbs on the SL , i can do 20 reps easy with that weight.
Still , if you just went out and jumped a bit more i'd expect you to reach 30'' rather soon and easy.
Looking forward to see your progress.

Vag, thanx for the analysis & advice.  I think ur def on target abt the lack of jumping practice.  My full squat initial goal was =>1.5xbw per Kellyb's advice and I reached that cple of months ago & then tore my calf which has set me back 4-5wks.

 I switched to half-squats bcs I think it will give me more bang/buck and also causes much less meniscus pain.  Still do the full ones during warmups just to maintain a certain base level at full rom.  1-leggers r fairly new so think more time will def improve those.

 Overall, I was trying to take things 1 phase at a time, i.e. reach decent squat/bw ratio 1st, then start jumping more to express this greater strength.  I am going to prioritize jumping wkts over the next month & will see what happens.  I'm so far below the ColCoolJ calc estimates jumps that its a joke. 

Also, in my early 40's was still able to barely graze standard 10' rim off 1-2 steps w/lower sq/bw ratio but was playing bball pretty much every day.  So I'm pretty sure more jumping is the missing ingredient.

Lastly, and mb most importantly, I'm pretty much a training addict so i'm constantly overreaching/overtrained bcs I hate to take days off (feel like I could/should be doing more).  Even just 1 more day's rest last week btw jump/squat wkts bumped my vj up 1-2in from the prev week's result.

Once again, thanks for ur help & wish u continued success towards ur goals.

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« Reply #1124 on: July 20, 2011, 04:23:31 pm »
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Once again, thanks for ur help & wish u continued success towards ur goals.

np man , thanks too!



20 July 2011

Bodyweight@session : ~188.5
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : quads 1/5 , calves 2/5 , trapezius 3/5 ( duh! )

Went to the park and shot around for 45 mins to get a good sweat.
Got a clean powerfull SLRVJ 9'8'' dunk, last time i did that was 2 years ago! Also got a very hard lefty and a pump-lefty on that rim. Touching rim on 9'10'' layups ( SL ).
Threw in a jumping warmup and then a few jumps to end the session ( no sets , just ~10 jumps with 30-45 seconds rest ):
Still very springy and reactive , SVJ : 28'' , dropstep 31'' , 1-step 32'' , DLRVJs 32,5'' , SLRVJs 28''
Awesome...
« Last Edit: July 20, 2011, 04:25:50 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?