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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1635 on: November 12, 2012, 02:57:29 pm »
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12 November 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~196,25
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none?

Lance's 3-set-progress template  - workout #5

SQUATS:
7@132lbs
5@132lbs
5@132lbs
Total : 17 reps.
-Back to squatting after 2 weeks off for quad recovery. Also first session ever in lifting shoes.  :headbang:
Went good , although fatigue/detraining caught up with me after first set. No quad bugging at all.
Squatting in lifting shoes is awesome, achieving good depth easy. Felt weird to go so deep ( for my standards ) though , was getting on toes, WTF!

BENCH PRESS:
7@143 lbs ( +2 reps )
6@143 lbs ( same )
6@143 lbs ( same )
Total : 19 ( +2 reps )
-Very strong for my standards.

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED MACHINE ROWS:
7@154 lbs ( +2 reps )
6@154 lbs
6@154 lbs ( +1 rep )
Total : 19 ( +3 reps )
-Very strong here too.

Long lower body stretching.

Comments:
Now weight is dropping too fast but i'm gonna wait for the whole week to pass before i readjust. Will be very happy if i up 200kcals because that 1500 is a real pain , LOL.
Also curious to see how quad will react tomorrow. Cross your fingers that it stays healthy everyone, it's been too long!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1636 on: November 12, 2012, 10:08:04 pm »
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12 November 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~196,25
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none?

Lance's 3-set-progress template  - workout #5

SQUATS:
7@132lbs
5@132lbs
5@132lbs
Total : 17 reps.
-Back to squatting after 2 weeks off for quad recovery. Also first session ever in lifting shoes.  :headbang:

nice!

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Went good , although fatigue/detraining caught up with me after first set.No quad bugging at all.

even nicer!


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Squatting in lifting shoes is awesome, achieving good depth easy. Felt weird to go so deep ( for my standards ) though , was getting on toes, WTF!

BENCH PRESS:
7@143 lbs ( +2 reps )
6@143 lbs ( same )
6@143 lbs ( same )
Total : 19 ( +2 reps )
-Very strong for my standards.

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED MACHINE ROWS:
7@154 lbs ( +2 reps )
6@154 lbs
6@154 lbs ( +1 rep )
Total : 19 ( +3 reps )
-Very strong here too.

Long lower body stretching.

Comments:
Now weight is dropping too fast but i'm gonna wait for the whole week to pass before i readjust. Will be very happy if i up 200kcals because that 1500 is a real pain , LOL.
Also curious to see how quad will react tomorrow. Cross your fingers that it stays healthy everyone, it's been too long!

ya it is a world of difference lifting in oly shoes.

pC

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1637 on: November 13, 2012, 04:48:59 am »
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^Thanks Andrew!
Yes , really a world of difference as everyone else said. I am not sure how better my squats look , will upload video later today , but they felt 1000 times better.
I forgot to log, i also tried a few front squats with an empty bar. The difference here was shocking. I was never able to do a proper front squat so far, even with an empty bar. I got serious back rounding and forward lean, i was almost droping the bar. Yesterday they were perfect and easy. I am considering replacing Friday's back squats with front ones for a while and see how it goes...

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1638 on: November 13, 2012, 11:35:03 am »
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oly shoes are the best. glad you're back under the bar, man. it's frustrating to be away...
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1639 on: November 13, 2012, 12:49:30 pm »
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oly shoes are the best. glad you're back under the bar, man. it's frustrating to be away...

Thanks man! Had to win that frustration to come back under the bar healthy.

Video from yesterday's squatting:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5DC3AagpHE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5DC3AagpHE</a>

Interesting, 132 does not look bad at all , but 110 is so much better.
It shows that my forward lean is not a matter of bad form pattern or flexibility but... because 132 is probably too heavy for me!  :uhhhfacepalm:
I won't run to conclusions because i was detrained at that session, but i won't up the weight either. Gotta take slow correct steps.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1640 on: November 13, 2012, 01:04:29 pm »
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^ good form. wait til you use the higher .75" heels of the romaleos or adipowers. full squat will feel even better. i also have those adidas trainers and the heel did not cut it for me. better than chucks though.

i'm waiting for more colors of the romaleos in case roguefitness has something new on their Nov20 shipment.. (white/red/black would be nice)

these look decent too..  http://www.muscledriverusa.com/2013-Pendlay-Weightlifting-Shoes--Mens-Gray-Currently-Unavailable_p_2495.html

5'10" | 210lbs | 39 yrs
reach - 7'8" (92") |paused full squat - 545x1| standing VJ - 40"|

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1641 on: November 13, 2012, 01:12:33 pm »
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^Thanks man, getting props for form from you is a medal of honor in here.
Are you maybe confusing my shoes with the powerlift trainers like raptor did? They look identical but they are a different shoe. Heel total height is 1,25'' and heel elevation is 0,75'' for mine.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1642 on: November 13, 2012, 01:34:14 pm »
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got confused with this one.. looks the same but this came with 0.6" heels.. definitely feels better with the .75"..

http://www.roguefitness.com/adidas-powerlift-trainer-red-light-onix.php

also...

- ur shorts are below knees.. those add a bit of resistance and u don't want that on very heavy reps.
- if you want to get more comfortable with your ankle dorsiflexsion, do not over tighten your shoes lace near the top, and keep the strap a little loose..
5'10" | 210lbs | 39 yrs
reach - 7'8" (92") |paused full squat - 545x1| standing VJ - 40"|

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1643 on: November 13, 2012, 04:39:02 pm »
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Looking really good vag. You still have a tendency to get to the toes a bit here and there but it looks very good overall.

Will be interesting to see what happens in the RDL.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1644 on: November 14, 2012, 05:00:43 am »
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KF : Yes , weird move by adidas , 2 identical looking but totaly different shoes. It's not just the heel height , the materials are different too, e.g. the heel is deformable in the powerlifts. Relevant discussion here:  http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/vag%27s-journal-age-vs-vertical/msg77722/#msg77722.
Thanks for the tips, i did the exact opposite , laced them hard at top and tightened the strap too.

Raptor : Thanks! I was getting on toes indeed. As i said i think it was caused from going deeper than i used too. Maybe it has to do with that dorsiflexion KF mentioned above. No rush , was only the 1st session...

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1645 on: November 14, 2012, 06:05:51 am »
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Yeah exactly, no rush... you'll start to get progressively better with your form in no-time.

One thing you might wanna do before squatting is having a bar on your hands (like in a RDL), squat down, and putting the bar on the top of the knees, about where the VMO is. Get into a full squat and stay with the torso vertical and have the bar there. Obviously you don't put it RIGHT on the knees but a bit more up, you get the idea.

It can really help you achieve better depth in time. Also, the lighter the bar, the harder is going to be to maintain that position (the less assistance the bar will give you). For example, I'm usually using 40 kg but I'm striving for an empty bar, and then things should be easier in terms of depth.

You could also try this:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBHzXF-mVjY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBHzXF-mVjY</a>

See what happens. Good luck.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1646 on: November 14, 2012, 10:12:21 am »
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+1 for that sequence that raptor posted. great video.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1647 on: November 14, 2012, 02:38:15 pm »
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^^^
I do the deep squat bb stretch often , Lance suggested it long ago. I will take a look at the stretches , did hip flexor stretches before squatting at some point but felt no difference!

14 November 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~194,5   :uhhhfacepalm:
Soreness : VMO 5/5 , outter quads 4/5, glutes 3/5
Injuries/aches : none?

Lance's 3-set-progress template - workout #6

ROMANIAN DEADLIFTS:
8@176 lbs ( +1 rep )
7@176 lbs ( +1 rep )
7@176 lbs ( +1 rep )
Total : 22 reps ( +3 reps )
-Very strong. Limit = grip , upping weight next workout.

SINGLE LEG EXTENSIONS:
4x20@25 lbs each leg.
-Did 4x20@2:0:2 instead of 4x15@2:2:2 to cover both quad rehab and lactic recovery.

BICEPS EZ-BAR CURLS:
12@81,5 lbs ( +2 reps )
9@81,5 lbs ( +1 rep )
8@81,5 lbs ( +1 rep )
Total : 29 reps ( +4 reps )
-Awesome, upping weight here too.

TRICEPS PUSHDOWNS:
9@77 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
7@77 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -4 reps )
7@77 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -4 reps )
Total : 23 reps ( -9 reps )
-That was very hard because of the weight increase.

-Lower body stretching.

VERY happy with the strength increases despite being on a daily caloric deficit! I am sure it will get much harder as the weight loss proceeds though.

Weight is dropping too fast, damn it. I wasn't even able to achieve -500 daily this week and yet i lost 3,5 lbs. I am sure there was some water retention involved in the previous, the current or both weeks distorting the data, but 3,5lbs with an average -350kcals/day is too much loss.
New correction: I will add 200kcals to my TDEE.
No workout days : TDEE 2200kcals instead of 2000kcals , new goal intake = 1700kcals
Workout days : TDEE 2400kcals instead of 2200kcals , new goal intake = 1900kcals
Evaluating next Wednesday again.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2012, 04:07:07 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1648 on: November 14, 2012, 02:48:01 pm »
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Have you done the RDLs with the O-lift shoes on?

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« Reply #1649 on: November 15, 2012, 04:08:29 am »
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Have you done the RDLs with the O-lift shoes on?

No , i forgot i had RDLs yesterday , thought i only had SL extensions+arms so went to the gym in waffles.  :uhhhfacepalm:
Next Wednesday...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?