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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1965 on: January 16, 2014, 05:34:57 am »
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15 January 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~89,5kg
Soreness : quads, hamstrings, calves fried, shoulders, lats
Injuries/aches :  none

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@60kg
3@80kg
1@100kg
-Hamstring good to go. Lowered volume because i have bball tomorrow.
I was aiming for 110kg but legs are still detrained, vmos and hamstrings started burning after the 80kg triple and 100kg was very hard so stopped there.

BENCH PRESS:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@50kg
5@60kg
5@65kg

BICEPS Z-BAR CURL:
10@22kg
10@27kg
10@32kg

TRICEPS CABLE PUSHDOWN:
10@20kg
10@25kg
10@30kg

LANCE CALVE RAISES ( DL concentric, slow SL eccentric ):
8 each leg@25kg
8 each leg@25kg
8 each leg@25kg
« Last Edit: January 16, 2014, 05:38:08 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1966 on: January 16, 2014, 01:32:03 pm »
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16 January 2014

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : quads, glutes, hamstrings, calves , chest
Injuries/aches :  none

1,5 hours full court basketball.
Endurance & vert : terrible.
I didn't expect better after not playing for about 1 month and with sore legs from gym. Tried only 1 rim jump that was a shit-tastic 10'2'' ( 27'' ) dropstep.  :uhhhfacepalm:
Still, i gotta (wanna) re-base my training towards a more performance-oriented planning. More thoughts and discussion soon.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1967 on: January 17, 2014, 11:58:43 am »
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New plan:

Monday:
Hang powercleans : 5x3
Squat : build up to 3RM
Bench : Lance 3-set-progress.
Lat pull down : Lance 3-set-progress.
Paused calve raises : 3x20
Abs

Tuesday:
Sprints/jumps at the park whenever weather allows it.

Wednesday:
RDL : Lance 3-set-progress.
OHP : Lance 3-set-progress.
BB LUNGES : Lance 3-set-progress.
Biceps : 3x12
Triceps : 3x12

Thursday:
Full court bball

Friday: rest or Saturday's workout if not possible to do it on Saturday.

Saturday:
Push-press : 3x5
Squat : Lance 3-set-progress.
Chinups : Lance 3-set-progress.
SL calve raises : 3x10 each leg
Abs

Sunday : rest

Lance 3-set-progress: Do 3 sets of as AMRAP ( dont go to failure, stop a couple of reps shy ).
When total reps are less than lower limit, stay at same weight.
When reps are more than higher limit, add weight.
When reps are between limits, go by feel/form.
The limits i will use are 18->24, which corresponds to 3x6->3x8.

Not MUCH changes from what i was doing, here are the highligts:
-I will now be squatting 2xweekly, plus RDL/lunges on the 3d day. I am very weak, need to up volume and intensity and strengthen those legs.
-I will be implementing that intensity/volume alternating in squats. Always wanted to do that. Also the high intensity-low volume Monday will have me better recovered/potentiated for Thursday's bball.
-I am dumping the row machine and switching to wide grip lat pulldown.
-I am introducing explosive lifts before squats.

Why not more 5/3/1 as i said? I feel i need more volume at this point. I am very happy with how 5/3/1 went and i will sure be doing it in the future, need to push more now though.
Gonna do this for a couple more months, then reschedule and switch priority to actually jumping and utilizing the ( hopefully ) newfound strength.

Dietary, i don't want to start cutting yet. Actually, i don't want to lose weight, i like this size for myself. I do want/need to get leaner though, so eventually i must lose some weight. Just not yet, i need to push strength up a bit more before cutting. So to compromise worlds, I will attempt to stay at the same weight for ~2 more months and if possible achieve a recomposition. I will reduce carbs and up fats, also will try to go [bulk-on-gym-days-cut-on-other-days] and see what happens. If some fat loss comes, very welcomed. If not, so be it, at least i will have self-experimented on recomposition while maintaining weight. After that, somwhere in mid March (together with the programm change mentioned above )  i will start a long slow cut till mid-end of July. That is 4-4,5 months of cutting, i am willing to allow a drop of 8-10kg, 80kg will be my lower limit for that.

Gym and diet plans combined should have me at a vert-peak condition in July, lighter, leaner and stronger than ever, with movement/jumping efficiency high too.
Goals are to tie my PRs, 30'' SVJ and 35'' RVJ.


Feel free to post any thoughts/objections/corrections/whatever.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2014, 12:02:45 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1968 on: January 17, 2014, 12:02:01 pm »
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Why not more 5/3/1 as i said? I feel i need more volume at this point. I am very happy with how 5/3/1 went and i will sure be doing it in the future, need to push more now though.
Gonna do this for a couple more months, then reschedule and switch priority to actually jumping and utilizing the ( hopefully ) newfound strength.

I think, and have said it said from more knowledgeable lifters, that naturals need a lot of volume to make gains. 531 is just bullshit, imho, it only works when people do a lot of assistance volume as well. It's a long debate how the HIIT fad came and misled a lot of people by claiming you could get away with doing like 1 set of 5 and call it a day as long it was high intensity. Naturals thrive on volume, lots of volume. And one thing i've noticed vag, you'll do volume for months, but then you never harvest your gains! You should transition into a few weeks of low reps just to extract the gains before starting a new volume cycle.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1969 on: January 17, 2014, 12:59:25 pm »
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it depends, it depends...
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1970 on: January 18, 2014, 07:05:45 am »
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I disagree about 531 being bullshit. We can depate about how effective it is, for which cases, if it can be effective on the long run, other programs that deliver better etc, but bs, no!
About harvesting the gains, i guess you mean some kind of periodization? I don't completely agree that switching to lower reps harvests the gains. Kellyb says ( and i agree ) either you improve your 1RM or your 10RM by 20% , the strength gain is 20%. If your goal is squat 1RM, then sure i am with you. But for vert, harvesting would be switching to explosive/RFD/peak phases. Of course those phases utilize singles a lot so i can't say you are wrong either. Anyway, I used to be much better and a big fan of periodization, but now it is a consious decision that i don't do it. After that long quad injury and my switch to full squats ( i was a halfs boy ), my numbers are still too low to think periodization or whatever fancy. I refuse to complicate things until i can hit at least 1,5BW. But yeah, of course i don't disagree with the grow-harvest idea, that is the plan anyway:

Why not more 5/3/1 as i said? I feel i need more volume at this point. I am very happy with how 5/3/1 went and i will sure be doing it in the future, need to push more now though.
Gonna do this for a couple more months, then reschedule and switch priority to actually jumping and utilizing the ( hopefully ) newfound strength.

PS : Just had a highly oxymoron notice : that squat gains harvest that you say i never do and i argue i don't need to, isn't that what i did with 5/3/1? Switching to weekly low RM attempts after 2 months of 3x8, lol   :trollface:

PS2 : DO YOU GUYS LIKE THE SCHEDULING?
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1971 on: January 18, 2014, 07:40:33 am »
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what's your main goal right now? the set up looks a little confused, like you're trying to do a bit of everything.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1972 on: January 18, 2014, 08:52:37 am »
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Oh i know you do it for squats ✓. I was thinking of BP in particular ✘.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1973 on: January 18, 2014, 01:09:16 pm »
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@entropy: tbh, i don't really care to harvest any gains in bench, i am happy as long as i am progressively overloading, no real difference for me if it is the 8RM or 1RM that i progressed. Not a bad idea though, will keep it in mind!

@LBSS: Why do you think it is confused? I am not doubting, i am asking to understand better. It is basically the same setup that i have been doing all year: 3 whole body workouts per week, day 1/3 squat+upper, day 2 RDL+lunge+upper. What i changed is this intensity/volume squat alternating in days 1/3 and the explosive lifts addition before squats, hp clean day1 and push press day3. Both those modifications are meant to be a preparation to a more performance-oriented setup without disturbing the main goal. The main goal for all lifts is strength, achieved with a little upped volume compared to the 5/3/1, thus the shift to Lance's 3-set-progress. It could be 3x8, Lance's thing is pretty much 3x8 with a tad of more fun and AREG.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2014, 01:14:56 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1974 on: January 18, 2014, 01:19:41 pm »
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18 January 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~90kg
Soreness : abs, hip flexors ( ??? probably from bball )
Injuries/aches :  none

ROMANIAN DEADLIFT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@60kg
5@80kg
4@100kg
-Lost grip, legs were good for more.

BB LUNGES:
6 each leg @40kg
6 each leg @40kg
6 each leg @40kg
-Rather too light but took it easy on both weight and volume.

PUSH PRESS:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
5@50kg
3@55kg
-This is fun, i like!

CHINUPS;
8@BW
8@BW
8@BW
-Felt like it was arms and not back failing me. Not bad though.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1975 on: January 20, 2014, 04:37:27 pm »
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20 January 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~90,5kg
Soreness : hamstrings and glutes fried, shoulders, lats, arms sore but not that much, also very sore inner thighs, WTF?
Injuries/aches :  none

3-sets-progress template
Workout #1 ( Week #1 )

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
3@30kg
3@40kg
3@50kg
1@60kg
-Up to 50 all great, 60 was too heavy, failed to catch 2nd rep.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
3@60kg
2@80kg
3@95kg
-Legs still too sore, still good though. Form had flaws but overall happy with current level. Very close to season's best 6@95kg already.

BENCH PRESS:
5@60kg
5@60kg
5@60kg
Total = 15 reps.
-Weaker than i expected, too early i guess. Hope strength bounces back fast.

WIDE GRIP LAT PULLDOWN:
8@150lbs
8@150lbs
8@150lbs
Total = 24 reps.
-Nice.

PAUSED STANDING CALVE RAISES MACHINE:
20@55kg
15@55kg
15@55kg
-Calves unrecovered too, they weren't sore but they started burning after 1st set.

ABS COASTER MACHINE:
20@BW
20@BW
20@BW
-Was doing those with BW+10kg before xmas break but took it easy.

Averall, all muscles are still slowly adapting, getting very sore at each exercise, not ready to push 100% yet. Well, it's been only 4-5 workouts after that 20 days break so what did i expect? Patience!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1976 on: January 21, 2014, 03:01:12 pm »
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21 January 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~90,5kg
Soreness : low soreness at quads, chest, upper abs and calves
Injuries/aches :  none

PLYOS SESSION

Haven't done that for like... 2 years!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

BILATERAL LINE HOPS:
4x10 seconds.
-Nice, getting 35-40 hits.

MULTI RESPONSE TUCK JUMPS:
4x10
-Felt good, minimum GCT and bouncy.

20'' DEPTH JUMPS:
3x5
-Felt smooth but jumping low, like FA was good but there was major leak in power output.

SVJs;
3x3
-Those feel uncoordinated. Consistent around 24''. Those were head height jumps @home, PR is 28'' as a reference.

Overall, as expected, i am probably aeons behind in RFD/movement efficiency, where movement = jumping.
No rush, it will come back if i keep up with this. Happy with how that went given how long it's been.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2014, 03:05:32 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1977 on: January 22, 2014, 03:59:33 pm »
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22 January 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~89,5kg
Soreness : chest, calves, a little quads and a lot forearms ( from cleans? )
Injuries/aches :  none

3-sets-progress template
Workout #2 ( Week #1 )

ROMANIAN DEADLIFT:
8@85kg
7@85kg
6@85kg
Total = 21 reps.
-Nice. Grip was the limiting factor. Lets see if i will ever bring my gloves to the gym.

STANDING OVERHEAD PRESS:
8@40kg
7@40kg
6@40kg
Total = 21 reps.
-Nice, i expected to be in the 15 reps area at that weight.

BB LUNGE:
8@40kg
8@40kg
8@40kg
Total = 24 reps.
-Nice. Feeling a burn around the middle of the quad of the supporting leg at last reps of each set, who know what that is.

BICEPS Z-BAR CURL:
10@32kg
10@32kg
8@32kg
Total = 28 reps.
-Meh, weak, i expected an easy 3x10, not to fail on 3d set  :(

TRICEPS CABLE PUSHDOWN:
10@30kg
10@30kg
10@30kg
Total = 30 reps.
-Easy 3x10 as expected here, maybe too easy.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1978 on: January 22, 2014, 04:10:59 pm »
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no. do not.

Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1979 on: January 23, 2014, 04:37:02 am »
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?