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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #90 on: August 18, 2016, 02:28:17 pm »
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brazil press conference soon about the lochte/robbery incident.

man o man.. starting to look like they lied... if so, Lochte has just turned himself into the biggest joke ever.

hopefully they figured it all out though, tired of hearing about this story.



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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #91 on: August 18, 2016, 02:58:26 pm »
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uhhhhhh.. bolt, 19.7 EASY AS FU*K.. dude, this final might be incredible if he runs it all out 100%.. which i think he will.

Ehhh... I hope I'm wrong... But 19.7 easy as F*ck is like 19.4 IMO... But I do pray I'm wrong...

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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #92 on: August 18, 2016, 03:04:54 pm »
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Degrasse also is a contender in this, he managed to relaxingly get 19.80. Justin gatlin got over confident and didn't qualify for the 200m finals. Usain did make it very easy and I think he is possible capable of getting a new olympic record if he is in shape and goes 100% but I dont think he can get under 19sec. I think the medals would be Usain bolt with gold, degrasse with silver and fight between merit and lemaitre or edwards but it will be close for third.

The womens 200m final, elaine thompson got her revenge on dafne and won the double gold.
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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #93 on: August 18, 2016, 05:19:19 pm »
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maryland is still in the top-5 for gold medals won by country, tied for russia with 12. today's maryland champ is wrestler helen maroulis, who grew up 30-40 minutes from me.

after this weekend we should have at least 15 (durant, melo, and angel mccoughtry). gary russell (boxing), aaron russell (volleyball), and kyle snyder (wrestling) all still have realistic shots at gold, too.

suck it russia. and california.
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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #94 on: August 18, 2016, 05:24:04 pm »
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Degrasse also is a contender in this, he managed to relaxingly get 19.80. Justin gatlin got over confident and didn't qualify for the 200m finals. Usain did make it very easy and I think he is possible capable of getting a new olympic record if he is in shape and goes 100% but I dont think he can get under 19sec. I think the medals would be Usain bolt with gold, degrasse with silver and fight between merit and lemaitre or edwards but it will be close for third.

The womens 200m final, elaine thompson got her revenge on dafne and won the double gold.

Let's not read into too much what is going on in an athletes mind especially if we don't know them.  Justin Gatlin is physically but moreso mentally exhausted.  Personally, I do have very different and very alternative views when it comes to drugs  ( I maintain that steroids make little difference for male sprinters ) but whatever your views are you have to feel sorry for the guy.  He did his four year suspension, since then he has passed far more tests then Bolt or anyone else...  Bolt and all the other athletes respect and support him...  But he is just abused by the media, the fans, and non track athletes... Enough already... I mean getting constantly booed is horrible and he admitted how much it's worn on him... And that 19 year old American swimmer saying he shouldn't be in Rio...   She can go to hell.   So can people who agree with her for "speaking her mind".   Most don't know this but every american athlete in Rio has to take etiquette classes - they are specifically taught NOT to say things like this in any circumstance about any athlete.  They are taught to respect people.  Nobody knows Justin Gatlins story or exactly what he did - the rule he broke he was punished for and it was an extensive punishement - if you have issue with the rule fine, but don't have issue with the person.   I really feel for him, in this 2015 interview you can see how emotional he is about just wanting to be forgiven and given a chance to run, humbled truly:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npgj7GERJ5U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npgj7GERJ5U</a>


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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #95 on: August 18, 2016, 05:27:45 pm »
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maryland is still in the top-5 for gold medals won by country, tied for russia with 12. today's maryland champ is wrestler helen maroulis, who grew up 30-40 minutes from me.

after this weekend we should have at least 15 (durant, melo, and angel mccoughtry). gary russell (boxing), aaron russell (volleyball), and kyle snyder (wrestling) all still have realistic shots at gold, too.

suck it russia. and california.

Hahahaha.  Wow you found the only thing Maryland can beat California in.  Nice job...  Those athletes may be FROM maryland but were they developed in Maryland? Lol.  We develop pretty good athletes here at USC:


If USC were a country, its 288 Summer Olympics medals would place it 16th. And in six different Olympics, USC’s medal count would have positioned it among the top 10 competing nations.


Ok, so Maryland is good in these olympics... But... What are they all time?  How many spots behind a little school from California?

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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #96 on: August 18, 2016, 05:30:05 pm »
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maryland is still in the top-5 for gold medals won by country, tied for russia with 12. today's maryland champ is wrestler helen maroulis, who grew up 30-40 minutes from me.

after this weekend we should have at least 15 (durant, melo, and angel mccoughtry). gary russell (boxing), aaron russell (volleyball), and kyle snyder (wrestling) all still have realistic shots at gold, too.

suck it russia. and california.

Hahahaha.  Wow you found the only thing Maryland can beat California in.  Nice job...  Those athletes may be FROM maryland but were they developed in Maryland? Lol.  We develop pretty good athletes here at USC:


If USC were a country, its 288 Summer Olympics medals would place it 16th. And in six different Olympics, USC’s medal count would have positioned it among the top 10 competing nations.


Ok, so Maryland is good in these olympics... But... What are they all time?  How many spots behind a little school from California?

aw, don't be bitter boo. we're just better than y'all this time around.  :trolldance:

Let's not read into too much what is going on in an athletes mind especially if we don't know them. 

didn't you say like two days ago that gatlin was "waiting for bolt"?
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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #97 on: August 18, 2016, 06:41:58 pm »
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ye, I dont like those who booed justin gatlin in the 100m and gave him hard time for being cheat even though he paid his due for the second drug test and the first drug fail was not really a proper fail dont remember the details, i think it was something to do with his attention disorder or something, but people still attack his for being 2 time drug cheat.

I remember the video you posted and the people were saying that they didnt like the fact that he was not resentful or apologised or tried working towards a clearer sport, just because he it was never shown on tv or something but I remember reading on the news the schools he has worked with, a letter of apology if i remember correctly.

But I agree and liked what michael johnson said.
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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #98 on: August 18, 2016, 09:00:55 pm »
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maryland is still in the top-5 for gold medals won by country, tied for russia with 12. today's maryland champ is wrestler helen maroulis, who grew up 30-40 minutes from me.

after this weekend we should have at least 15 (durant, melo, and angel mccoughtry). gary russell (boxing), aaron russell (volleyball), and kyle snyder (wrestling) all still have realistic shots at gold, too.

suck it russia. and california.

Hahahaha.  Wow you found the only thing Maryland can beat California in.  Nice job...  Those athletes may be FROM maryland but were they developed in Maryland? Lol.  We develop pretty good athletes here at USC:


If USC were a country, its 288 Summer Olympics medals would place it 16th. And in six different Olympics, USC’s medal count would have positioned it among the top 10 competing nations.


Ok, so Maryland is good in these olympics... But... What are they all time?  How many spots behind a little school from California?

aw, don't be bitter boo. we're just better than y'all this time around.  :trolldance:

Lol.  You guys can have this. You need it.  I'll take the weather, women, and the weed any day of the week.  And I don't even smoke weed.


didn't you say like two days ago that gatlin was "waiting for bolt"?

Good call out.  "Waiting" is track slang though - I don't mean Justin Gatlin was thinking "let me slow down for Usain".  I mean that after 70m in the race Gatlin's splits were worse than expected given Bolt's presence.  Certainly it's what happened and he admitted in the 2015 final, I guess I can't be sure until I get a hold of the official split times - but I'm somewhat confident in my claim.  It's something of a misconception that I hear a lot - "The guy who wins the race at the end isn't running faster than the other guy, he is just slowing down less".

Obviously on it's face that's nonsense because you can't overtake someone unless you run faster - but even the intended purpose of the claim which is "At the end of the race the athletes slow down and the one who slows down the least will win and thus maintains a higher speed" is false.  A look at the split times shows that while athletes don't necessarily hit their peak 10m split at 90-100m they don't actually slow down either.  Here are some examples:

Ben Johnson 1988: 1.71 1.02 0.94 0.87 0.86 0.85 0.85 0.87 0.86 0.87
Carl Lewis 1991:     1.74 1.08 0.92 0.89 0.84 0.85 0.84 0.83 0.87 0.86 
Mo Green 1999       1.72 1.03   0.92   0.88   0.86   0.84   0.85   0.85   0.85   0.86
Usain Bolt 2009:      1.73 0.99 0.90 0.86 0.83 0.82 0.81 0.82 0.83 0.83

One one hundreth is kinda a joke for 10m splits because you aren't always between the same number of strides within 10 meters and the lean at the line can mess things up as well.  However, you can see that while nobody speeds up after 60m (although actually the fastest split recorded is Bolt's 60-70m 0.81) they aren't exactly slowing down either.  They are maintaining almost constant speed with a little noise...  This really isn't that hard - when I was in shape my splits looked exactly the same with one exception, I'm slower.  However, I would run somewhere around 0.90 on my fastest split and then run 0.9 to 0.93 for the rest of my splits past 50m.  Being just 0.08 slower from 40-100m from a sub 10 guy ends up being a half second disadvantage... 

These are all splits from race winners however.. Sometimes athletes do slow down considerably past 60m but it's not because of fatigue so much as it is because of competition.  If you watch Asafa Powell in 2007 when he loses to Tyson Gay you can see a great example of this... It's happened to me to, and it's not a conscious thing but sometimes a faster running approaching causes us to run much worse than we would if he wasn't there...  When this happens you coach says "you waited for him".   Obviously in one race we can't be sure, maybe Justin Gatlin simply misstepped or was fatigued from the short break, obviously I don't know, but it sure looked to me like he waited for bolt.  That's not to say he would have won had he not, but it is to say he would have lost by less... 

There are some weird things that go on at high speeds when you are nearby people...  It's hard to explain if you don't run the 100m.. I would even argue that had Gatlin ran faster Bolt would have too...  There is some maybe unconscious thing that makes us stride match nearby people, maybe its drag, maybe it's psychological I don't know... But it can make you either PR or drastically underperform depending on the day... It is one reason I think it isn't just an old adage that "iron sharpens iron" or "speed makes speed" but there is some actual truth that if you sprint with fast training partners you will get faster better than if you train alone...  It's why seifullaah absolutely needs to find a way to train with someone else if he is serious about improving...


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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #99 on: August 18, 2016, 09:22:56 pm »
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 ^ Nice post!

I'm calling it: 19.38

Edit: argh. In my defense i didn't know it was wet until i got to a TV. Happy to see lemaitre sneak in for bronze
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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #100 on: August 18, 2016, 09:46:17 pm »
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Those times were kinda disappointing but im glad Bolt won .. oh well
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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #101 on: August 18, 2016, 09:49:55 pm »
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Those times were kinda disappointing but im glad Bolt won .. oh well

Yeah... I didn't expect much more than 19.5 and had he not let up at the end maybe we would have seen it...  But I mean the man was injured just two months ago...  I really hope he shuts up all the people claiming he is getting old and gets fit and focuses on either the 100 or 200 and sets another world record in his 30s. 

The olympics really makes them run too much with too little rest... Come on do we really gotta make bolt run 6 races?  I think they should do like the world championships and wildcard in previous winners and medalists... Given that they qualify I think they should at least get a bye into the semi or final.... The people want great times!

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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #102 on: August 19, 2016, 12:38:35 am »
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How much does a wet track affect times or is it insignificant?
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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #103 on: August 19, 2016, 01:16:23 am »
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How much does a wet track affect times or is it insignificant?

Probably not something you could quantify exactly but I remember generally having better 150m times on a hot track in summer as opposed to a wet track in summer. Probably several factors involved: temperature of track, friction, mental effect on athletes (you might slow down a bit on the turn in the 200m for example). Also, if it's wet, it might be colder, windy etc. Hard to separate all the variables. 

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Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« Reply #104 on: August 19, 2016, 02:01:36 am »
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How much does a wet track affect times or is it insignificant?

Probably not something you could quantify exactly but I remember generally having better 150m times on a hot track in summer as opposed to a wet track in summer. Probably several factors involved: temperature of track, friction, mental effect on athletes (you might slow down a bit on the turn in the 200m for example). Also, if it's wet, it might be colder, windy etc. Hard to separate all the variables.

The actual surface of the track doesn't is pretty insignificant... Bolt came onto the scene in 2008 when he set the record ahead of Beijing with a 9.71 in the rain in New York. 

I have run fast and slow times on wet and dry tracks - if you have spikes and there are no actual puddles it doesn't make much difference...

Of course if it's raining... It's annoying, imagine being in the blocks and rain falls in your eye...

From a physics standpoint it's really not the surface but the effect on air resistance that weather affects.  Ideally you want it extremely hot (faster air molecules means less resistance) and extremely humid (h20 is lighter than nitrogen which is displaces so the air is lighter), extreme altitude at the equator (least gravity helpful for jumps at least) and a nice tailwind...

I would take a hot humid day with a few drops of rain over a cold dry night every single time I do know that... But I'll take indoors over all so who knows...