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Sport Specific Training Discussion => Sports Discussion => Topic started by: LBSS on August 05, 2016, 06:02:31 pm
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This is a cool series of animated infographics by the NYT on what separates some of of the top US athletes: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/05/sports/olympics-triple-jumper-christian-taylor.html?module=Article®ion=footer&action=Click&pgtype=Multimedia
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watched the christian taylor one.. that was GREAT.
watching the high jump one now.
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judo is so intense. watching the 56kg men and 66kg women this morning, makes me want to try it.
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It looks very hard to win at judo, you try a grab the other guys (robe) dont know wat they call it, but they have to grab and try to put them on the floor but they just struggle out of it so harder to grab and throw them.
I was watching the mens one also
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From FiveThirtyEight:
(http://i1.wp.com/espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/hickey-olympics-ranked-1.png?quality=90&strip=all&w=575&ssl=1)
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/best-worst-olympic-sports-survey-ranked/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/best-worst-olympic-sports-survey-ranked/)
I remember ages ago Harvey M (old troll/dumbass kid) said volleyball was the most popular Olympic sport and got howled down. Maybe he was right :huh:
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The Philippino diving team was hilarious, also the gymnastics guy who broke his leg and I think there was a runner who also broke his leg. Shit was gross.
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i've had ping pong on, these dudes are legit.
also skeet shooting is fun to watch.
i must disagree with lbss though, absolutely hate judo.. all that pulling at the gi etc, just bothers me beyond belief.
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re: ping-pong being legit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-09GXzDL0I
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re: ping-pong being legit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-09GXzDL0I
ya man so insane.
omfg @ #1 .. that's absolutely crazy.
I used to play ping pong at work .. we had tournaments and stuff. All i tried to do was kill the ball; I lost alot. There were a few really legit dudes though .. mostly people of indian, eastern european, and jamaican descent. It was really fun watching them up close, they looked a bit like pros.. the Indian dude was unbeatable.
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Anyone watching Australia v USA men's basketball? Close game so far with Bogut looking like a superstar. Delly and Green competing for worlds most annoying player on the side.
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judo is so intense. watching the 56kg men and 66kg women this morning, makes me want to try it.
I did judo for like 6 years when I was a kid. I was thinking about doing it in the fall to improve my balance, fitness and play more physically. Some of the throws you can do are pretty intense. The ground game is kind of like wrestling with armbars and chokes and pins.
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http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/mulleted-weightlifter-passes-out-after-hoisting-mighty-1785221685
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--u922deUk--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/neurcy2ed6znob9dwsrh.gif)
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lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuIHTiDwlTU
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this brazil/argentina bball game is good.
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this brazil/argentina bball game is good.
i wasn't lying.. double overtime :D
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I just witness some of the best tennis today
rafael nadal vs del potro
del potro just is resilient he will make sure that he will be right there with you when you take the lead and then he just tires you out and defeats you, I was rooting for nadal, nadal almost got it, it went straight to tie break 1 a piece and both had 6, del potro thought he had it won when it was 6,4 to him but nadal just came back but that lasted short.
then the tennis after womens final, wow another amazing match.
potro vs murray final
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I just witness some of the best tennis today
rafael nadal vs del potro
del potro just is resilient he will make sure that he will be right there with you when you take the lead and then he just tires you out and defeats you, I was rooting for nadal, nadal almost got it, it went straight to tie break 1 a piece and both had 6, del potro thought he had it won when it was 6,4 to him but nadal just came back but that lasted short.
then the tennis after womens final, wow another amazing match.
potro vs murray final
damn nice. i missed that match. i think maybe because I was watching basketball.
i'd like to see Del Potro get the gold.. would love to see him back in the mix with the top guys at every major. he somewhat disappeared because of injuries.
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is it just me or do all of these olympic venues have sooooooooo many empty seats?
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Women's 100m Final
(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/9Tz3WbEbObs0oR7ePQJprcCDXl0=/101x0:1165x709/709x473/filters:format(webp)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/50380171/Screen_Shot_2016-08-13_at_9.46.41_PM.0.0.png)
(https://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/media/olympics/photos/o16/live/RIOEC8E04Z3A2_768x432.JPG)
Elaine Thompson won in 10.71.
Torie Bowie 2nd in 10.83 and Shelly Ann Fraser came 3rd in 10.86.
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Women's 100m Final
(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/9Tz3WbEbObs0oR7ePQJprcCDXl0=/101x0:1165x709/709x473/filters:format(webp)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/50380171/Screen_Shot_2016-08-13_at_9.46.41_PM.0.0.png)
(https://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/media/olympics/photos/o16/live/RIOEC8E04Z3A2_768x432.JPG)
Elaine Thompson won in 10.71.
Torie Bowie 2nd in 10.83 and Shelly Ann Fraser came 3rd in 10.86.
ya, sick.
i was just coming on to post about that and:
usain bolt: didn't look great in his start, but man o man did he look good towards the end.. beastmode.
mo farah: 10k gold.. not sure why these guys are holding back so much though man.. push the damn pace. Mo Farah fell and still had no problems.. seemed like an easy win for him. Glad he won but, not sure what his competition is thinking tbh.
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Women's 100m Final
(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/9Tz3WbEbObs0oR7ePQJprcCDXl0=/101x0:1165x709/709x473/filters:format(webp)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/50380171/Screen_Shot_2016-08-13_at_9.46.41_PM.0.0.png)
(https://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/media/olympics/photos/o16/live/RIOEC8E04Z3A2_768x432.JPG)
Elaine Thompson won in 10.71.
Torie Bowie 2nd in 10.83 and Shelly Ann Fraser came 3rd in 10.86.
ya, sick.
i was just coming on to post about that and:
usain bolt: didn't look great in his start, but man o man did he look good towards the end.. beastmode.
mo farah: 10k gold.. not sure why these guys are holding back so much though man.. push the damn pace. Mo Farah fell and still had no problems.. seemed like an easy win for him. Glad he won but, not sure what his competition is thinking tbh.
Bolt V Gatlin showdown :headbang:
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Women's 100m Final
(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/9Tz3WbEbObs0oR7ePQJprcCDXl0=/101x0:1165x709/709x473/filters:format(webp)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/50380171/Screen_Shot_2016-08-13_at_9.46.41_PM.0.0.png)
(https://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/media/olympics/photos/o16/live/RIOEC8E04Z3A2_768x432.JPG)
Elaine Thompson won in 10.71.
Torie Bowie 2nd in 10.83 and Shelly Ann Fraser came 3rd in 10.86.
ya, sick.
i was just coming on to post about that and:
usain bolt: didn't look great in his start, but man o man did he look good towards the end.. beastmode.
mo farah: 10k gold.. not sure why these guys are holding back so much though man.. push the damn pace. Mo Farah fell and still had no problems.. seemed like an easy win for him. Glad he won but, not sure what his competition is thinking tbh.
Bolt V Gatlin showdown :headbang:
hell ya.
Gatlin is "old" too.. pretty crazy. Phelps doesn't seem like he's getting worse with age either.. I bet he could destroy another olympics. I imagine he'll change his mind in the year leading up to 2020.
usa is my country but i'm still hoping Bolt wins.. :) more jewelry for the GOAT.
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watching usa vs france basketball. first USA game i've been able to watch. so far, good game.
can't believe durant is on the warriors.. he's been "the guy" so far in this game.
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paul george missed a wide open layup.. lool.
:derp:
i'll just picture this instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aMs6khRYPM
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kyrie alley oop while falling down was pretty nice.
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usa only won by 3.. 2nd game in a row.
they definitely look vulnerable .. makes things more interesting that's for sure.
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usain bolt ... :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf:
I just saw his semi-final sprint .. is this guy back in 9.6x form? holy crap.. he's laughing ~20m out from the finish.
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Bolt was insanely impressive. He switched off at around 70m and glided through for........a 9.86. LOL! Should be a great final still but hard to see the field challenging him.
What's happened to Trayvon Bromell? Barely squeaked through to the final. Was expecting him to be right up there with Bolt and De Grasse.
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Bolt was insanely impressive. He switched off at around 70m and glided through for........a 9.86. LOL! Should be a great final still but hard to see the field challenging him.
What's happened to Trayvon Bromell? Barely squeaked through to the final. Was expecting him to be right up there with Bolt and De Grasse.
ya i dno, he's (bromell) definitely a 9.8x guy on his BEST sprint. what did he get in that semi? i didn't see his time. glad he got into the final though.
bolt is a 9.8x guy @ ~70%.. :wowthatwasnutswtf: :ibrunning:
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Bolt was insanely impressive. He switched off at around 70m and glided through for........a 9.86. LOL! Should be a great final still but hard to see the field challenging him.
What's happened to Trayvon Bromell? Barely squeaked through to the final. Was expecting him to be right up there with Bolt and De Grasse.
ya i dno, he's (bromell) definitely a 9.8x guy on his BEST sprint. what did he get in that semi? i didn't see his time. glad he got into the final though.
bolt is a 9.8x guy @ ~70%.. :wowthatwasnutswtf: :ibrunning:
He just snuck in with a 10.01. Obviously still pretty good. He usually gets a better start, maybe just missed it.
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ah.. ^^ 10.0x eek
van niekerk just broke the WR for 400m.. WTF!! :wowthatwasnutswtf:
poor michael johnson :)
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What's the deal with team USA? Looking anything but convincing at the moment. I realise they've won all their games but I can't remember the last time any team, let alone multiple teams, got this close.
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ah.. ^^ 10.0x eek
van niekerk just broke the WR for 400m.. WTF!! :wowthatwasnutswtf:
poor michael johnson :)
Wow. Might be the greatest sprint performance ever. Def the greatest Olympic performance ever. Out of freaking lane 8!!!
One complaint though... Really hate the scheduling. Making James and Lashawn run together in same semifinal and push eachother to 44.0 and then have just 24 hours recovery is unfortunate. Honestly don't think they would have beat WVN... But maybe they would have pushed him to go sub 43... Don't agree with the tight schedule...
Especially the 100m semi and final only separated by an hour... These deep fields make the top guys have to push harder in the semis than usually... They should get more recovery so we can see great times... Really was a disappointing final. I guess it does show how intimidating bolt is and does display that 100m really is a sport and not just a test of speed though... Gatlin basically ran around waiting for Bolt...
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Lots of people on letsrun.com claiming the 400m Rio track is short. Might be tin hat but....given the state of preparation for these games....wouldn't be overly shocked if it came out that he only ran 398.7m or something.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7587664&page=31#ixzz4HMMdGePH (http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7587664&page=31#ixzz4HMMdGePH)
100m final was as expected. Below-average start for Bolt as usual but luckily peak Blake/Gatlin/Gay weren't in the race so he could do just enough! De Grasse favourite for 2020.
Let's say Bolt wins the 200m and the 4x100 relay (both highly likely at this stage). Which career Olympic achievement is greater: a possible Bolt triple-triple or Michael Phelps' 23 golds?
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ah.. ^^ 10.0x eek
van niekerk just broke the WR for 400m.. WTF!! :wowthatwasnutswtf:
poor michael johnson :)
Wow. Might be the greatest sprint performance ever. Def the greatest Olympic performance ever. Out of freaking lane 8!!!
so crazy.. was shocking.. he just kept flying the last 100m.
ya i've never run track so i don't REALLY know the significance of lane 8.. must be hard af (nearly impossible) to mostly "race yourself" and still get a WR.
One complaint though... Really hate the scheduling. Making James and Lashawn run together in same semifinal and push eachother to 44.0 and then have just 24 hours recovery is unfortunate. Honestly don't think they would have beat WVN... But maybe they would have pushed him to go sub 43... Don't agree with the tight schedule...
Especially the 100m semi and final only separated by an hour... These deep fields make the top guys have to push harder in the semis than usually... They should get more recovery so we can see great times... Really was a disappointing final. I guess it does show how intimidating bolt is and does display that 100m really is a sport and not just a test of speed though... Gatlin basically ran around waiting for Bolt...
ya i was complaining about that earlier to my dad.. i just don't get how they can't schedule this stuff a few days earlier so that they can properly recover between each race. it's really unfortunate.
Lots of people on letsrun.com claiming the 400m Rio track is short. Might be tin hat but....given the state of preparation for these games....wouldn't be overly shocked if it came out that he only ran 398.7m or something.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7587664&page=31#ixzz4HMMdGePH (http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7587664&page=31#ixzz4HMMdGePH)
100m final was as expected. Below-average start for Bolt as usual but luckily peak Blake/Gatlin/Gay weren't in the race so he could do just enough! De Grasse favourite for 2020.
Let's say Bolt wins the 200m and the 4x100 relay (both highly likely at this stage). Which career Olympic achievement is greater: a possible Bolt triple-triple or Michael Phelps' 23 golds?
i was thinking about the possibility of a short track.. deliberate or a mistake. If IOC wanted records to drop, could shorten it slightly every year.. even the pool.
but, in terms of this actual olympics.. I think if the track was actually shorter, we'd see better times in everything.. 10k / 1500m especially, etc. iirc, I don't think we've seen that kind of improvement. Also if it is short, it isn't short where the 100m was... hehe.
i won't even consider it until there's some serious proof floating around.. Niekerk's performance was mindblowing.
pc!
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Lots of people on letsrun.com claiming the 400m Rio track is short. Might be tin hat but....given the state of preparation for these games....wouldn't be overly shocked if it came out that he only ran 398.7m or something.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7587664&page=31#ixzz4HMMdGePH (http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7587664&page=31#ixzz4HMMdGePH)
100m final was as expected. Below-average start for Bolt as usual but luckily peak Blake/Gatlin/Gay weren't in the race so he could do just enough! De Grasse favourite for 2020.
Let's say Bolt wins the 200m and the 4x100 relay (both highly likely at this stage). Which career Olympic achievement is greater: a possible Bolt triple-triple or Michael Phelps' 23 golds?
Lol track is short? Only Kirani and Merrit ran no faster... 398.7 meters is 1.3 meters... Lol so at his speed he would have still been likely been under the world record... IMO that's a bit ridiculous...
I don't think it was a lack of peak gatlin or anyone else... I think it just shows that the 100m isn't a 60... It's not a speed test - it's a competition... I bet if bolt runs 9.6 degrasse and gatlin run 9.7 or 9.8. Gatlin waited for Bolt... Hard not to but still very disappointing that he did that and didn't give us a better race...
It's sorta silly to compare Bolt to Phelps... But if your gonna do it... Bolt by a landslide...
Why:
1) Phelps is a swimmer. Swimming is a sport available to a fraction of wealthy people in the world. The pool for sprinting is basically every kid who ever played sports. Talented sprinters are discovered, talented swimmers are developed.
2) Recovery between swim events is much easier.
3) Swimming has strokes which are far less different than something like sprints and hurdles. Especially butterfly and freestyle which are extremely similar as far as performance goes...
4) All swim events are essentially speed endurance events. There is no true sprint. Bolt dominates a speed endurance event and a top speed event.
5) Phelps was basically dominant in two events. 100m and 200m butterfly where he owns the world record. That's it. And he didn't even win both of those in back to back to back olympics. His other medals come primarily from relays and medleys which don't really exist in track...
6) Sure phelps made a difference in some relays. But he is also American and Americans are a dominant force in swimming. The American team could have picked up many of the relay golds with just about anybody in Phelps spot. Jamaica in the 4x100m without Bolt would have never won. Bolt was the team. In fact Jamacia wasn't really even challenging in the 4x100 until Bolt came along wheras the Americans were the favorite in many relays before phelps and will be after phelps...
7) Bolt has no silvers. He literally does all the events resonable for his skill and never loses.
That's my biased answer to a silly question. Both are great athletes and can't be compared. Amazing to watch both of them... You could probably make a strong case for phelps too but I'll always be partial to bolt...
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so crazy.. was shocking.. he just kept flying the last 100m.
ya i've never run track so i don't REALLY know the significance of lane 8.. must be hard af (nearly impossible) to mostly "race yourself" and still get a WR.
Yeah, traditionally athletes hate to be in the outside. It depends on the sprinter of course - but since I never had any kick I always wanted to be inside of a rival on the turn, that way I could catch up, pass them, and come into the straight ahead and try to hold on... Mentally I would always rather give my opponent a "head start" than have a head start and have to run a farther distance after head start. Basically imagine if you have to race someone equal to yourself... You can have two choices - run with a 10m headstart but weights on your body that slow you down by 10m or give him the 10m head start with weights on... Obviously both are fair but mentally we would rather be the "faster" athlete with the disadvantage than the "slower" athlete with the advantage...
Truth be told though - the farther outside the lane the easier the race. All things equal you would rather be outside as much as possible because you are running more straights and less curves... The inside lanes have a sharper curve so you have to turn far more. IF (and it's a big IF) you can get past the mental block of being ahead and alone on the outside then lane 8 is a big advantage.. I think that's what we just saw. WVN is so strong that he basically flew out of the blocks and didn't look back - not having to turn as much as the other athletes provided him with a world record time... You can really see this when you watch his last turn and how close he was to the inside of his lane the whole time. Obviously you want to run on the inside of your lane the entire time - BUT on the tight curve you can't produce power and stay inside the whole time, a powerful long stride sends you to the outside in a tight turn and you end up running farther. Technically WVN DID probably run a shorter total distance than everyone else... But not cause he ran less than 400m. Because of the turns nobody can run in exactly the same place in their lane the whole time, maybe WVN ran "only" 402 meters while the others ran 405 meters..
i was thinking about the possibility of a short track.. deliberate or a mistake. If IOC wanted records to drop, could shorten it slightly every year.. even the pool.
but, in terms of this actual olympics.. I think if the track was actually shorter, we'd see better times in everything.. 10k / 1500m especially, etc. iirc, I don't think we've seen that kind of improvement. Also if it is short, it isn't short where the 100m was... hehe.
i won't even consider it until there's some serious proof floating around.. Niekerk's performance was mindblowing.
pc!
Lol, you never ran track but you just provided the best proof possible as to why the track can't possibly be short. I didn't even think of the longer races.. The 10k is 25 laps! If the track was a couple meters short those guys would be running 50m less than usual - they would ALL pr. If we don't see that we can put to rest the ridiculous idea of a short track...
However, if you want plausible conspiracy theories you can imagine some doctoring that would produce faster times. The most obvious is having the back straight be slightly downhill. There is some maximum elevation change that can occur between any two points on the track but you can imagine if you were slightly above the rule you could help guys on the back straight.. The other obvious thing to do is just run from the wrong start points. The three staggers on most tracks are for 200m (3.5 meters per lane), 400m (7 meters per lane) and 3 turn 4x400 (10.5 meters per lane)... I have been at all comer meets where they wind was strong so they ran the 200m on the first 200m of the track and accidently used the 400m start lines and everybody PRed.. I still would bet against any such thing happening in rio.
Sounds more like American haters who can't stand to see Michael Johnsons record broken. Why should we be surprised when WVN is the ONLY person ever to run sub 10, sub 20 and sub 44... IMO that alone makes him arguably the greatest - I'm hoping he adds the 200m to his events for future competitions and dominantes.
Also, the IAAF is REALLY strict about sanctioning tracks - they check to make sure the track is super level, measured perfectly, etc.
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Lots of people on letsrun.com claiming the 400m Rio track is short. Might be tin hat but....given the state of preparation for these games....wouldn't be overly shocked if it came out that he only ran 398.7m or something.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7587664&page=31#ixzz4HMMdGePH (http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7587664&page=31#ixzz4HMMdGePH)
100m final was as expected. Below-average start for Bolt as usual but luckily peak Blake/Gatlin/Gay weren't in the race so he could do just enough! De Grasse favourite for 2020.
Let's say Bolt wins the 200m and the 4x100 relay (both highly likely at this stage). Which career Olympic achievement is greater: a possible Bolt triple-triple or Michael Phelps' 23 golds?
Lol track is short? Only Kirani and Merrit ran no faster... 398.7 meters is 1.3 meters... Lol so at his speed he would have still been likely been under the world record... IMO that's a bit ridiculous...
I don't think it was a lack of peak gatlin or anyone else... I think it just shows that the 100m isn't a 60... It's not a speed test - it's a competition... I bet if bolt runs 9.6 degrasse and gatlin run 9.7 or 9.8. Gatlin waited for Bolt... Hard not to but still very disappointing that he did that and didn't give us a better race...
It's sorta silly to compare Bolt to Phelps... But if your gonna do it... Bolt by a landslide...
Why:
1) Phelps is a swimmer. Swimming is a sport available to a fraction of wealthy people in the world. The pool for sprinting is basically every kid who ever played sports. Talented sprinters are discovered, talented swimmers are developed.
2) Recovery between swim events is much easier.
3) Swimming has strokes which are far less different than something like sprints and hurdles. Especially butterfly and freestyle which are extremely similar as far as performance goes...
4) All swim events are essentially speed endurance events. There is no true sprint. Bolt dominates a speed endurance event and a top speed event.
5) Phelps was basically dominant in two events. 100m and 200m butterfly where he owns the world record. That's it. And he didn't even win both of those in back to back to back olympics. His other medals come primarily from relays and medleys which don't really exist in track...
6) Sure phelps made a difference in some relays. But he is also American and Americans are a dominant force in swimming. The American team could have picked up many of the relay golds with just about anybody in Phelps spot. Jamaica in the 4x100m without Bolt would have never won. Bolt was the team. In fact Jamacia wasn't really even challenging in the 4x100 until Bolt came along wheras the Americans were the favorite in many relays before phelps and will be after phelps...
7) Bolt has no silvers. He literally does all the events resonable for his skill and never loses.
That's my biased answer to a silly question. Both are great athletes and can't be compared. Amazing to watch both of them... You could probably make a strong case for phelps too but I'll always be partial to bolt...
To be clear, I don't seriously think the track is 398.7m. It was just a funny thought given how disastrous the lead-up was to Rio that they were so busy spraying mosquitos they might have forgot to run the measuring wheel around the track.
I know Bolt v Phelps it's not apples to apples, but you can bet the media is going to do it - and it's fun to argue about it! I also argue Bolt mostly for reason 1. The Australian coverage can't get enough of Phelps and he gets lots of exposure here being a strong swimming nation so it's really hard as a track guy to argue Bolt is better to the my workmates sitting around the TV in the break-out area. But he is.
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Bolt v Phelps.. no contest.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/robertodimaano/cropped_REU_2504700_zpstfgjeczw.jpg)
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Bolt v Phelps.. no contest.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/robertodimaano/cropped_REU_2504700_zpstfgjeczw.jpg)
epic pic.. lmao@!#!@$!@$!@$!
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so crazy.. was shocking.. he just kept flying the last 100m.
ya i've never run track so i don't REALLY know the significance of lane 8.. must be hard af (nearly impossible) to mostly "race yourself" and still get a WR.
Yeah, traditionally athletes hate to be in the outside. It depends on the sprinter of course - but since I never had any kick I always wanted to be inside of a rival on the turn, that way I could catch up, pass them, and come into the straight ahead and try to hold on... Mentally I would always rather give my opponent a "head start" than have a head start and have to run a farther distance after head start. Basically imagine if you have to race someone equal to yourself... You can have two choices - run with a 10m headstart but weights on your body that slow you down by 10m or give him the 10m head start with weights on... Obviously both are fair but mentally we would rather be the "faster" athlete with the disadvantage than the "slower" athlete with the advantage...
Truth be told though - the farther outside the lane the easier the race. All things equal you would rather be outside as much as possible because you are running more straights and less curves... The inside lanes have a sharper curve so you have to turn far more. IF (and it's a big IF) you can get past the mental block of being ahead and alone on the outside then lane 8 is a big advantage.. I think that's what we just saw. WVN is so strong that he basically flew out of the blocks and didn't look back - not having to turn as much as the other athletes provided him with a world record time... You can really see this when you watch his last turn and how close he was to the inside of his lane the whole time. Obviously you want to run on the inside of your lane the entire time - BUT on the tight curve you can't produce power and stay inside the whole time, a powerful long stride sends you to the outside in a tight turn and you end up running farther. Technically WVN DID probably run a shorter total distance than everyone else... But not cause he ran less than 400m. Because of the turns nobody can run in exactly the same place in their lane the whole time, maybe WVN ran "only" 402 meters while the others ran 405 meters..
nice thanks for the info.
i was thinking about the possibility of a short track.. deliberate or a mistake. If IOC wanted records to drop, could shorten it slightly every year.. even the pool.
but, in terms of this actual olympics.. I think if the track was actually shorter, we'd see better times in everything.. 10k / 1500m especially, etc. iirc, I don't think we've seen that kind of improvement. Also if it is short, it isn't short where the 100m was... hehe.
i won't even consider it until there's some serious proof floating around.. Niekerk's performance was mindblowing.
pc!
Lol, you never ran track but you just provided the best proof possible as to why the track can't possibly be short. I didn't even think of the longer races.. The 10k is 25 laps! If the track was a couple meters short those guys would be running 50m less than usual - they would ALL pr. If we don't see that we can put to rest the ridiculous idea of a short track...
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ya, I just figured i'd find the longest race on the track and see if it was "fast". that 10k was slow.
i'd be curious to see how many athletes set PB's. so far, just seems like a pretty normal set of numbers.. other than these few outliers from freaks.
However, if you want plausible conspiracy theories you can imagine some doctoring that would produce faster times. The most obvious is having the back straight be slightly downhill. There is some maximum elevation change that can occur between any two points on the track but you can imagine if you were slightly above the rule you could help guys on the back straight.. The other obvious thing to do is just run from the wrong start points. The three staggers on most tracks are for 200m (3.5 meters per lane), 400m (7 meters per lane) and 3 turn 4x400 (10.5 meters per lane)... I have been at all comer meets where they wind was strong so they ran the 200m on the first 200m of the track and accidently used the 400m start lines and everybody PRed.. I still would bet against any such thing happening in rio.
Sounds more like American haters who can't stand to see Michael Johnsons record broken. Why should we be surprised when WVN is the ONLY person ever to run sub 10, sub 20 and sub 44... IMO that alone makes him arguably the greatest - I'm hoping he adds the 200m to his events for future competitions and dominantes.
that is NUTS. if he wasn't on the "mainstream map", he sure is now.. what a beast.
Also, the IAAF is REALLY strict about sanctioning tracks - they check to make sure the track is super level, measured perfectly, etc.
nice!
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kingfish motivated me to find more of those bolt smiling pics.. he's basically creating meme's as he destroys people.
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LMAO i have a strong prejudice against olympic swimming because of the australian obsession with the 'sport' .. even worse than acole i think, cos I dont even try to be balanced about it. bolt all the way. However, i love the idea of comparing athletes .. who is the greatest of all time? Who even makes the top 5? Does Lebron make the cut?
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LMAO i have a strong prejudice against olympic swimming because of the australian obsession with the 'sport' .. even worse than acole i think, cos I dont even try to be balanced about it. bolt all the way. However, i love the idea of comparing athletes .. who is the greatest of all time? Who even makes the top 5? Does Lebron make the cut?
damn .. why'd you have to bring lebron into this? lulz.
from an article LBSS linked on fb:
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--gQlVtDjQ--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/cym4xofr26hjizsecutk.gif)
sick!@@!$
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/wayde-van-niekerk-smashes-michael-johnsons-17-year-old-1785282344?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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LMAO i have a strong prejudice against olympic swimming because of the australian obsession with the 'sport' .. even worse than acole i think, cos I dont even try to be balanced about it. bolt all the way. However, i love the idea of comparing athletes .. who is the greatest of all time? Who even makes the top 5? Does Lebron make the cut?
Greatest athlete of all time (i.e. pure athletic ability) or greatest sportsman? LeBron probably makes the cut on the former but not the latter (yet).
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LMAO i have a strong prejudice against olympic swimming because of the australian obsession with the 'sport' .. even worse than acole i think, cos I dont even try to be balanced about it. bolt all the way. However, i love the idea of comparing athletes .. who is the greatest of all time? Who even makes the top 5? Does Lebron make the cut?
Greatest athlete of all time (i.e. pure athletic ability) or greatest sportsman? LeBron probably makes the cut on the former but not the latter (yet).
Lol I'd argue the opposite. Lebrons finals performance of leading both teams in every category and coming back from 3-1 might put him in the running for being one of the greatest sportsmen but he will never be close to the greatest athlete because he will never try not be tested as he is a basketball player... It's something your either love or hate but there are a few sports will the skill component is so high and the season is so grueling that athletic players simply have to spend so much time on technical skill, recovery and strategy that there leaves no room for anything else... Really the only two off hand I can think of is basketball and maybe a soccer midfielder...
Lebron certainly is tall, strong, fast, and able to jump high. From th eye test you can imagine he could make a great football player or track athlete - but as his potential will never be tapped it is pure speculation...
Because it's so important to be able to score a ball in the hoop as a basketball player the sport is really an athletic version of archery... I mean at the end of last season it seemed pretty apparent how much better Steph Curry was than Lebron and this is based on nothing more than being better at making shots... That is however, the name of the game and players must prioritize it... It's a wonder they still seem so athletic despite the fact that they can't put a premium on it... I mean Russell Westbrook seems like an amazing athlete - but where would he be if he was a 60% free throw shooter and knocked down open threes at 20%? Actually being good at basketball doesn't have that much to do with athletic ability - we can see proof of this when professional Dunkers out NBA guys to shame in a skill that is actually semi relevant to the game (dunking).
As far as greatest athlete of all time... Maybe this is taking the easy way out... But IMO the greatest endurance athletes are top triathletes and the greatest overall athlete is Ashton Eaton... I mean hos event is really the only that truly tests exactly what an athlete is across multiple tests of ability and he is clearly King.
One thing that absolutely totally SUCKS is that SA is stupid and didn't field a 4x400m team for these olympics. They had one w pistorius but didn't get their act together this year. God I would have loved to watch WVN run a 42.5 anchor leg and shock at least a few countries. Instead we won't see him on a big stage for probably a year. Depressing.
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LMAO i have a strong prejudice against olympic swimming because of the australian obsession with the 'sport' .. even worse than acole i think, cos I dont even try to be balanced about it. bolt all the way. However, i love the idea of comparing athletes .. who is the greatest of all time? Who even makes the top 5? Does Lebron make the cut?
Phelps is the greatest Olympian of all time (23 Gold medals) but Bolt is definitely a better athlete. Everyone can run, and it doesn't matter whether you are in China, Russia, Ivory Coast or the US etc. You don't need any special equipment and it doesn't require any specialized skills. It is the purest form of performance. Even if people wanted to make a counter-argument that anybody can swim I think you'd just need to look at the various sports Phelps and Bolt could excel at and you'd chose Bolt over Phelps for your football and basketball team any day of the week over Phelps. I don't really like comparing them though because they are both masters at their chosen sports.
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LMAO i have a strong prejudice against olympic swimming because of the australian obsession with the 'sport' .. even worse than acole i think, cos I dont even try to be balanced about it. bolt all the way. However, i love the idea of comparing athletes .. who is the greatest of all time? Who even makes the top 5? Does Lebron make the cut?
damn .. why'd you have to bring lebron into this? lulz.
from an article LBSS linked on fb:
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sick!@@!$
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/wayde-van-niekerk-smashes-michael-johnsons-17-year-old-1785282344?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
That was an epic performance. Atm everybody is caught up in the Bolt hysteria so the performance has been overshadowed, but in the future people will look back and realise just how incredible that 400m was. Wayde is a young sprinter as well so there is still plenty of potential for him to break his own WR.
Can't wait for the 200m now!!!
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Lol I'd argue the opposite. Lebrons finals performance of leading both teams in every category and coming back from 3-1 might put him in the running for being one of the greatest sportsmen but he will never be close to the greatest athlete because he will never try not be tested as he is a basketball player...
Lebron certainly is tall, strong, fast, and able to jump high. From th eye test you can imagine he could make a great football player or track athlete - but as his potential will never be tapped it is pure speculation...
Of course you do! Haha. That's why the forum has been so much fun lately. I personally just can't put LeBron top 5 all-time as a sportsman (yet). That series was his magnum opus no doubt, but it's one series in his career. If GSW are as good as advertised and he beats them again then he's easily in there. But it's so crowded at the top. Jordan, Ali, any one of Pele/Maradona/Messi, Don Bradman (google him, statistically off the charts in a sport played by tens of millions that hasn't changed fundamentally for centuries), any one of Federer/Nadal/Djokovic and now Bolt...all from sports where the barriers to entry are low and are played at least throughout the developed world and some developing regions. Not even mentioning Gretzky or any NFL all-timers whose sport is restricted to certain populations.
Athletically though, sure, speculation between sports is so difficult because of the demands on time for each sport. It's still fun though. I agree that Ashton Eaton is the greatest tested athlete of all time essentially by definition. For me LeBron is a top 5 what-if athlete.
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i'm with t0ddday, ashton eaton is the greatest athlete of all time.
another knock on phelps as greatest athlete of all time: swimming is awkward for humans. we're bad at it! even watching katie ledecky (who is arguably a greater swimmer than phelps, historically speaking, given how thoroughly she's trashed her competition over the last few years*), you realize just how thrashy and inefficient we are in the water as a species. humans are built to run, and even though we're slower than our four-legged friends, at our fastest we still look graceful. i don't know, call it the aesthetic argument to gracefulness.
that said, phelps is still, empirically speaking, the greatest olympic champion. obviously.
*also she went grew up like 20 minutes from me and went to my ex's high school. thanks to her and phelps maryland is still top-5 in gold medals won as a country.
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not rio specific, but someone shared this on fb, cool story: http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/the-white-man-in-that-photo/
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Im a bit late, but I couldn't watch the finals yesterday, so I recorded it for today and wow the 400m WR awesome, for me this was better than the 100m finals, even though the anticipation was greater but after the 400m performance I enjoyed more.
Then the Tennis, COMEON ANDY, wow he just force fed del potro a taste of his own medicine, which was persistence and long rallies, really heavily endurance focused.
When i saw the 100m semi's I knew bolt was going to win, how easily he ran 9.84 while gatlin struggled to get under 9.9 until the 100m finals.
EDIT: nice story lbss, I upvoted it and it looks as if adarq upvoted too around the same time, as it changed to 2 from 0 lol.
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Lol I'd argue the opposite. Lebrons finals performance of leading both teams in every category and coming back from 3-1 might put him in the running for being one of the greatest sportsmen but he will never be close to the greatest athlete because he will never try not be tested as he is a basketball player...
Lebron certainly is tall, strong, fast, and able to jump high. From th eye test you can imagine he could make a great football player or track athlete - but as his potential will never be tapped it is pure speculation...
Of course you do! Haha. That's why the forum has been so much fun lately. I personally just can't put LeBron top 5 all-time as a sportsman (yet). That series was his magnum opus no doubt, but it's one series in his career. If GSW are as good as advertised and he beats them again then he's easily in there. But it's so crowded at the top. Jordan, Ali, any one of Pele/Maradona/Messi, Don Bradman (google him, statistically off the charts in a sport played by tens of millions that hasn't changed fundamentally for centuries), any one of Federer/Nadal/Djokovic and now Bolt...all from sports where the barriers to entry are low and are played at least throughout the developed world and some developing regions. Not even mentioning Gretzky or any NFL all-timers whose sport is restricted to certain populations.
Athletically though, sure, speculation between sports is so difficult because of the demands on time for each sport. It's still fun though. I agree that Ashton Eaton is the greatest tested athlete of all time essentially by definition. For me LeBron is a top 5 what-if athlete.
I don't disagree that Lebron might not be a top five sportsman yet... Moreso just that he will never be a top five athlete because he isn't tested...
I've heard of Bradman and he certainly was great. I'm just averse to having athletes on the list who played before civil rights personally. Besides that your list is pretty good although I think being a sportsman is not just being good at the game but being transcendent in multiple ways. That's why any list without the late Muhhamed Ali is a shame! He is maybe the most important athlete of all time...
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let's not forget about AI. i remember years ago bill simmons making the argument that iverson, had he grown up in a different place or chosen a different direction as a kid, could have been one of the greatest soccer players of all time, one of the greatest welterweight boxers of all time, one of the greatest cornerbacks of all time, one of the greatest tennis players of all time, one of the greatest (insert non-height/weight-dependent identity here) of all time. he was a freak's freak.
cool to learn about don bradman. gonna need to know about him in pakistan, they're nuts for cricket over there.
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let's not forget about AI. i remember years ago bill simmons making the argument that iverson, had he grown up in a different place or chosen a different direction as a kid, could have been one of the greatest soccer players of all time, one of the greatest welterweight boxers of all time, one of the greatest cornerbacks of all time, one of the greatest tennis players of all time, one of the greatest (insert non-height/weight-dependent identity here) of all time. he was a freak's freak.
cool to learn about don bradman. gonna need to know about him in pakistan, they're nuts for cricket over there.
I actually was going to mention AI as being one of those what-if athletes. Watched a good documentary about him the other week.
Yeah Bradman is basically considered a god in India, although you'd hear about Sachin Tendulkar a lot more. Probably similar in Pakistan I would think.
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^^ or deion sanders / bo jackson.
Lebron and AI were both basketball + football stars in h.s. We'll probably see far less 2-sport athletes where one of their 2 is NFL football.. with all of the risks involved, just focus on the less dangerous sport.
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really cool usain bolt vs gatlin 100m finals info-graphic:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/15/sports/olympics/usain-bolt-mens-100-meters-final.html
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Lol I'd argue the opposite. Lebrons finals performance of leading both teams in every category and coming back from 3-1 might put him in the running for being one of the greatest sportsmen but he will never be close to the greatest athlete because he will never try not be tested as he is a basketball player...
Lebron certainly is tall, strong, fast, and able to jump high. From th eye test you can imagine he could make a great football player or track athlete - but as his potential will never be tapped it is pure speculation...
Of course you do! Haha. That's why the forum has been so much fun lately. I personally just can't put LeBron top 5 all-time as a sportsman (yet). That series was his magnum opus no doubt, but it's one series in his career. If GSW are as good as advertised and he beats them again then he's easily in there. But it's so crowded at the top. Jordan, Ali, any one of Pele/Maradona/Messi, Don Bradman (google him, statistically off the charts in a sport played by tens of millions that hasn't changed fundamentally for centuries), any one of Federer/Nadal/Djokovic and now Bolt...all from sports where the barriers to entry are low and are played at least throughout the developed world and some developing regions. Not even mentioning Gretzky or any NFL all-timers whose sport is restricted to certain populations.
Athletically though, sure, speculation between sports is so difficult because of the demands on time for each sport. It's still fun though. I agree that Ashton Eaton is the greatest tested athlete of all time essentially by definition. For me LeBron is a top 5 what-if athlete.
I don't disagree that Lebron might not be a top five sportsman yet... Moreso just that he will never be a top five athlete because he isn't tested...
I've heard of Bradman and he certainly was great. I'm just averse to having athletes on the list who played before civil rights personally. Besides that your list is pretty good although I think being a sportsman is not just being good at the game but being transcendent in multiple ways. That's why any list without the late Muhhamed Ali is a shame! He is maybe the most important athlete of all time...
I can totally understand the civil rights thing. His career probably would have been different if he played 1970 onward vs 1928-1948. But his statistical dominance relative to his peers at the time is incredible:
http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/the-most-remarkable-graph-in-the-history-of-sport/ (http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/the-most-remarkable-graph-in-the-history-of-sport/)
not rio specific, but someone shared this on fb, cool story: http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/the-white-man-in-that-photo/
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Was great to see when you posted that. Ever since I learned about Peter Norman's story I thought he should be on our currency! I think less than 10% of under-30s here in Australia would even know who he was.
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let's not forget about AI. i remember years ago bill simmons making the argument that iverson, had he grown up in a different place or chosen a different direction as a kid, could have been one of the greatest soccer players of all time, one of the greatest welterweight boxers of all time, one of the greatest cornerbacks of all time, one of the greatest tennis players of all time, one of the greatest (insert non-height/weight-dependent identity here) of all time. he was a freak's freak.
cool to learn about don bradman. gonna need to know about him in pakistan, they're nuts for cricket over there.
I actually was going to mention AI as being one of those what-if athletes. Watched a good documentary about him the other week.
Yeah Bradman is basically considered a god in India, although you'd hear about Sachin Tendulkar a lot more. Probably similar in Pakistan I would think.
I really don't get the point of what if athletes? I feel like it is just something an idiot who never played sports would say. I mean Bill Simmons gotta be the most sneaky racist guy I like ever seen. My 93 year old Irish grandmother is less racist than him.
Iverson would be a great welterweight? Yeah... Unless he has a glass jaw. Which you have no idea about...
Iverson would be a champion tennis player? Yeah because Roger Federer certainly uses Iverson like court speed to play tennis and Feds short arms which he uses to return body serves look just like AI.
I think this is just annoying armchair analysis that unathletic racist people lump on athletes to sneakily take away a little of our accomplishments. You don't hear them saying this about white players ever.
Allen Iverson was a gym rat. He worked incredibly hard on his game. He was a six foot scoring champ. You gotta work so damn hard to accomplish that. How bout we just give him credit for that instead of diminishing all his accomplishments but suggesting he had some universal athletic gift that doesn't exist and would have been good at everything easily.
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OMFG THAT DIVE.. amazing women's 400m final.
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OMFG THAT DIVE.. amazing women's 400m final.
Aghh, I wish she hadn't fallen and won it running through....she might have got it anyway but I've seen it happen where a dive at the finish probably makes the difference.
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OMFG THAT DIVE.. amazing women's 400m final.
Aghh, I wish she hadn't fallen and won it running through....she might have got it anyway but I've seen it happen where a dive at the finish probably makes the difference.
ya after watching the replay, it looked like she didn't need to dive. when I saw it live, it looked like the dive won it for her. When Felix was coming back to (almost?) take the lead, it was nuts - i was freaking out.
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the raw image from the info-graphic i posted earlier.. kinda cool just to see it as an image, zoomed out.
(https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2016/08/14/men-100-meters-bolt-horizontal/901fa977dc61cbe800cf0855c835465dc2146169/bolt-100m-race-a3698x450.jpg)
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bill simmons is definitely racist, but i don't take his "what if" thing about iverson that way. to me it's more just a way of trying to appreciate or describe obliquely iverson's unbelievable combination of quickness, hand-eye coordination, body awareness, and intelligence.
of course hypotheticals like that don't hold much water, in the same way that "randy moss would have been better if he hadn't smoked so much weed" or "usain bolt is lazy he could have run sub-9.5 if he weren't so lazy" don't. still kind of fun to think about iverson growing up in liverpool and spending his career going head-to-head with zidane.
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OMFG THAT DIVE.. amazing women's 400m final.
Aghh, I wish she hadn't fallen and won it running through....she might have got it anyway but I've seen it happen where a dive at the finish probably makes the difference.
ya after watching the replay, it looked like she didn't need to dive. when I saw it live, it looked like the dive won it for her. When Felix was coming back to (almost?) take the lead, it was nuts - i was freaking out.
Yeah... Hard to say about the dive... Personally not a fan of diving... It can win a race in hurdles or slower races - women's 400m is certainly borderline... I mean Felix is running a probably around 13 sec hundred pace at the end of the race... Between 7-8 meters a second, does diving really make a difference then? I dunno if it actually does BUT it is probably better than a mistimed lean!
Funny that Felix is brought up in a thread where the side conversation is athletic potential...
I'm sorry but her race strategy and training is terrible. Felix jogged 48.x in the semi. She is a 21.x 200m runner. With the right training she could easily go 47.9. Her coach Bobby Kersee really isn't getting the most out of her IMO. I've done a ton of training with the members of the group and his basic strategy to making athletes is to get fast athletes and make them run around and around and around the track. It's speed endurance to death. Then he gives them the same failed race strategy lashawn Merrit used - just wait and rely on the fact that you have more endurance and will be fresh in the end... Well it doesn't work in the 200 and it doesn't always work anymore in the 400m... Merritt's case is excusable cause he lost to a WR - but Felix lost to a 49.5 which is nothing for her... She waited, sized her up and looked far better finishing... But that didn't win her the race... I'm not surprised because she did hardly any speed work leading up to the olympics. What is sad is I know her coach convinced her not to double 200/400 and focus on the 400 for a guarenteed medal... How ironic that had she kept the 200 she probably wouldn't have neglected the speed work she needed to win the 400...
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bill simmons is definitely racist, but i don't take his "what if" thing about iverson that way. to me it's more just a way of trying to appreciate or describe obliquely iverson's unbelievable combination of quickness, hand-eye coordination, body awareness, and intelligence.
of course hypotheticals like that don't hold much water, in the same way that "randy moss would have been better if he hadn't smoked so much weed" or "usain bolt is lazy he could have run sub-9.5 if he weren't so lazy" don't. still kind of fun to think about iverson growing up in liverpool and spending his career going head-to-head with zidane.
I find those hypotheticals subtlety racist because they usually suggest that black athletes are lazy but naturally talented and if they only worked hard (which is of course something innate to whiteness) they would be so much better...
If you see my post about Felix - I strongly believe that there are world class athletes of all races that are so gifted that they are on the worlds stage despite suboptimal training... Naively we would assum you don't get to be great without almost perfect genetics and almost perfect environment (training) but there are athletes who could be even better... BUT... I don't think a coach who recognizes that is being racist (he might be arrogant about his coaching skills which you can accuse me of) as long as he realizes it's not laziness that keeps world class athletes from sometimes fulfilling their potential but just improper training. I believe if Allyson Felix trained differently and kept up her 200 she could run a faster 400... But I know she pukes constantly at practice... She not lazy... She just trains incredibly hard not always in the optimal way...
I don't know if I posted this before here before but this is my favorite example of this subtle racism used by sports commentators:
http://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/14097/colin-jones-continues-to-impress
This is an article about maybe the greatest freak athlete I have seen in person. Colin Jones the safety for the Panthers. This is a the kid who was shown the bench press as a freshman and threw up two plates. Who had to run a 100m as a fourteen year old in basketball shoes and ran low 11. Just that kid who is completely gifted. Ran a 4.34 at the combine at 6' 220...
This is in the article:
"Not the fastest or the most athletic, but he works hard and he makes plays. "
Why would this statement be there? Oh... Cause he is white. Yes, I do think racism can be displayed by a white person talking about another white person..
This is my problem with comments that suggest that Iverson could have been good at anything... They sound flattering but IMO they are suggestive of a racial stereotype where black people have God given taken that provides them with an advantage in all sports while white people work hard. It's also insulting to the actual performers of the sport to take questions about Tim Tebow and baseball and things of this nature. The fact is that Allen Iverson or anybody couldn't have been great at all sports - because at the highest level sports require specific characteristics that's it's extremely unlikely are possessed by any individual across sports. For example Allen Iverson had extremely long arms and big hands. Multiple standard deviations always from the mean. To be a successful boxer you have to take a punch - like hand size this is an untrainable characteristic... You think he was also multiple standard deviations from the mean here too? Unlikely. You think he was multiple standard deviations from the mean for all characteristics for all sports? Impossible...
That said - I'm totally in love with your image of Iverson playing soccer with Zidane. Iverson in a long sleeve jersey with his incredible ball skills... When you restrict that analogy to two sports that are actually somewhat similar it's totally awesome to speculate...
But lets just amend the reason we think Iverson would be so great at soccer to include "appreciate or describe obliquely iverson's unbelievable combination of quickness, hand-eye coordination, body awareness, and intelligence, and incredible WORK ETHIC.
*not trying to give you a hard time or call you racist btw. You respond extremely well to racism and don't take things personal which I appreciate... It's just you brought up my least favorite claim by one of the more annoying racist sports commentators...
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fair points. i still don't think that the spirit behind the "AI could have been great at lots of sports" hypothetical implies laziness -- at least not in my head; i certainly would never claim that iverson didn't bust his ass for his whole life to become as great as he was -- but i concede that it exists in a context where black athletes are stereotyped as talented and white ones as scrappy. and that i got it from a demonstrably racist writer. the bullshit about him and practice DEFINITELY implied laziness and was racist, but picturing him nutmegging central defenders on his way to goal after goal or crushing returns off the rise like agassi implies, to me, just different lifetimes of hard work. don't know shit about boxing so i'll take your word for it about taking a punch. but you can't divorce the specific from the general and in general we live in a racist country, so point taken.
anyway fuck bill simmons.
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fair points. i still don't think that the spirit behind the "AI could have been great at lots of sports" hypothetical implies laziness -- at least not in my head; i certainly would never claim that iverson didn't bust his ass for his whole life to become as great as he was -- but i concede that it exists in a context where black athletes are stereotyped as talented and white ones as scrappy. and that i got it from a demonstrably racist writer. the bullshit about him and practice DEFINITELY implied laziness and was racist, but picturing him nutmegging central defenders on his way to goal after goal or crushing returns off the rise like agassi implies, to me, just different lifetimes of hard work. don't know shit about boxing so i'll take your word for it about taking a punch. but you can't divorce the specific from the general and in general we live in a racist country, so point taken.
anyway fuck bill simmons.
Yeah, the soccer imagery is pretty awesome. I really think the intelligence one needs for soccer and basketball as far as navigation while dribbling AND awareness of teammates and secondary defenders is the most transferable thing and it's hard to not imagine him being pretty excellent at soccer...
Totally agree with your last point!
Also, since we are gonna go full out cursing at something, can we all agree "Fuck South Africa for not fielding a 400m relay team." God the more I think about it the more frustrating I get. Watching that 43.03 over and over again and it's just mindblowing. He didn't negative split like Michael Johnson suggested - I have Kirani in 20.x and he was ahead of him... BUT I do think he was sub 12 for his last 100m which I have only seen Butch Reynold and MJ do... And nobody do after such a blistering start (obviously) Not getting to see him again in the olympics is so cruel.
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Wow. Ok I was wrong and it only makes me love the race more. Got his splits - 10.7 9.8 10.5 12.1.
Wow. So he ran just slower than my best 200m.... After he had just run a 20.5. Funny how when you watch the race you swear his last 100m looks so fast. It's not. Michael Johnson ran 11.5 for the last 100m routinely. But nobody ever comes through in 20.5 for the first 200m! And he basically pulled James and Merrit into a a faster 250 that they were comfortable with...
Obviously I don't think they could have beat him no matter what but when you watch the race you see that it's not that his last 100m was fast but they made the fatal error of trying to catch him on th third turn and come off the straight even with him... I don't know the split for their last turn but it must have been ridiculous... After this they had nothing.
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Women's Discus final was dope. The winner Sandra Perković went 1/5 on her attempts and the one make she had, she crushed the field by throwing 69.21m when everyone else was 60-65m. I think i have a new crush haha.
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OMFG THAT DIVE.. amazing women's 400m final.
Aghh, I wish she hadn't fallen and won it running through....she might have got it anyway but I've seen it happen where a dive at the finish probably makes the difference.
ya after watching the replay, it looked like she didn't need to dive. when I saw it live, it looked like the dive won it for her. When Felix was coming back to (almost?) take the lead, it was nuts - i was freaking out.
Yeah... Hard to say about the dive... Personally not a fan of diving... It can win a race in hurdles or slower races - women's 400m is certainly borderline... I mean Felix is running a probably around 13 sec hundred pace at the end of the race... Between 7-8 meters a second, does diving really make a difference then? I dunno if it actually does BUT it is probably better than a mistimed lean!
Funny that Felix is brought up in a thread where the side conversation is athletic potential...
I'm sorry but her race strategy and training is terrible. Felix jogged 48.x in the semi. She is a 21.x 200m runner. With the right training she could easily go 47.9. Her coach Bobby Kersee really isn't getting the most out of her IMO. I've done a ton of training with the members of the group and his basic strategy to making athletes is to get fast athletes and make them run around and around and around the track. It's speed endurance to death. Then he gives them the same failed race strategy lashawn Merrit used - just wait and rely on the fact that you have more endurance and will be fresh in the end... Well it doesn't work in the 200 and it doesn't always work anymore in the 400m... Merritt's case is excusable cause he lost to a WR - but Felix lost to a 49.5 which is nothing for her... She waited, sized her up and looked far better finishing... But that didn't win her the race... I'm not surprised because she did hardly any speed work leading up to the olympics. What is sad is I know her coach convinced her not to double 200/400 and focus on the 400 for a guarenteed medal... How ironic that had she kept the 200 she probably wouldn't have neglected the speed work she needed to win the 400...
crazy.
would like to see the difference between Felix & Niekerk's training.
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I think it's more likely AI could take hits well considering he was tiny in the NBA and he got bodied up and banged up all the time but yet his resilience allowed him to play through numerous injuries. I remember seeing a graphic in the playoffs where he was playing with a whole host of injuries and still beasting. I think it was the finals series against Lakers. Will try to find it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=areBUihbfTs
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0U6GDpIUAAB06s.jpg)
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I think it's more likely AI could take hits well considering he was tiny in the NBA and he got bodied up and banged up all the time but yet his resilience allowed him to play through numerous injuries. I remember seeing a graphic in the playoffs where he was playing with a whole host of injuries and still beasting. I think it was the finals series against Lakers. Will try to find it.
regarding boxing: ya but direct shots to the jaw is a completely different animal.. ;f no way to know until someone actually gets in a ring and takes shots. you could be one of the toughest SOB's on the planet but have a glass jaw, it's a weird thing. There's been elite professional boxers who suffer from this; a current example is Amir Khan. Insane skills .. but if you catch him on the chin, good night. On a side note, I wonder if there's any research as to why Mexican boxer's have such good chins.
I missed Bolt/Gatlin's 200m today.. when is the finals? or is it the semis next?
also 5k and 1500m going down soon!!
I'd like to see someone challenge Farah in the 5k.. man push him to the limit. I'd like to see him pushed because I think he'd still win & run an insane time.
One thing that changed my idea about 'distance running' was watching El Guerrouj several olympics ago, set records at 1500m. I think it was Guerrouj vs Lagat in 2004, amazing race.. man were they flying.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=areBUihbfTs
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0U6GDpIUAAB06s.jpg)
ya that was a great commercial.. i used to identify alot with that & him growing up - regarding injuries. Being very injury prone, yet so dedicated & always playing so hard, really sucked.
My worst injury was breaking my wrist during an AAU practice.. I can still remember it like it was yesterday .. wish I had footage, one of the best and1's ever considering I laid it up on two dunkers and snapped my wrist in the process.. lulz.
love AI.. AI & Tim Hardaway were the people I "studied most" back then.
ok sorry for the tangent of maxent's tangent.
;d
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Im just watching the pole vault and santiago just raised the bar, which lavillane couldn't pass and he managed to pass 6.03m
OMG, this olympics is turning out to be an awesome olympics with so many awesome performances and so many sports.
lets see how lavillane responds
Lavillane just failed 6.08, wow santiago who just got guarantee broze is now gold medalist olympic champion wow and a PB and an olympic record.
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not rio specific, but someone shared this on fb, cool story: http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/the-white-man-in-that-photo/
i love this story so much. only regret is i didnt know about it before ..stopped there for bbq and didnt know bout the statue
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holy crap.. serious face plant in men's gymnastics, high bars.. could have been a devastating injury.
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anyone think bolt will set a new WR in 200m? or at least a new olympic record? his 20.28 looked incredibly easy..
he needs < 19.30 for OR and < 19.19 for WR.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/16/usain-bolt-200m-heats-live/
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OMFG THAT DIVE.. amazing women's 400m final.
Aghh, I wish she hadn't fallen and won it running through....she might have got it anyway but I've seen it happen where a dive at the finish probably makes the difference.
ya after watching the replay, it looked like she didn't need to dive. when I saw it live, it looked like the dive won it for her. When Felix was coming back to (almost?) take the lead, it was nuts - i was freaking out.
Yeah... Hard to say about the dive... Personally not a fan of diving... It can win a race in hurdles or slower races - women's 400m is certainly borderline... I mean Felix is running a probably around 13 sec hundred pace at the end of the race... Between 7-8 meters a second, does diving really make a difference then? I dunno if it actually does BUT it is probably better than a mistimed lean!
Funny that Felix is brought up in a thread where the side conversation is athletic potential...
I'm sorry but her race strategy and training is terrible. Felix jogged 48.x in the semi. She is a 21.x 200m runner. With the right training she could easily go 47.9. Her coach Bobby Kersee really isn't getting the most out of her IMO. I've done a ton of training with the members of the group and his basic strategy to making athletes is to get fast athletes and make them run around and around and around the track. It's speed endurance to death. Then he gives them the same failed race strategy lashawn Merrit used - just wait and rely on the fact that you have more endurance and will be fresh in the end... Well it doesn't work in the 200 and it doesn't always work anymore in the 400m... Merritt's case is excusable cause he lost to a WR - but Felix lost to a 49.5 which is nothing for her... She waited, sized her up and looked far better finishing... But that didn't win her the race... I'm not surprised because she did hardly any speed work leading up to the olympics. What is sad is I know her coach convinced her not to double 200/400 and focus on the 400 for a guarenteed medal... How ironic that had she kept the 200 she probably wouldn't have neglected the speed work she needed to win the 400...
crazy.
would like to see the difference between Felix & Niekerk's training.
Sorry, correction. Just talked to the training group today... Last year was when her coach had her drop the 200m for the 400m for world championships. She did basically all speed endurance... This year she had an ankle injury in the weight room and basically missed out on what was going to be an abbreviated amount of speed work for the 200m (still a mistake imo). She did try to qualify for the 200m and 400m at USA trials...
Here is the most tragic thing about it. Felix missed out on the 200m spot and got 4th by 100th of a second. The girl who got third and "beat" her... SHE DOVE across the line...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIZV3-nIR2Y
Wow... In the opinion of many including myself Prandini didn't even get her torso in front of the line before Felix... Basically she was robbed by a dive that wasn't even legit...
Truly a gracious loser by how she doesn't mention how frustrating it must be...
would like to see the difference between Felix & Niekerk's training.
I don't know much about WVN training but I know exactly what Felix does and it's a ridiculous amount of speed endurance work. The attitude is that "she already has speed - let's make her strong" and I think it's a poor strategy...
I think WVN might cause another revolution in 400m training. I'm not sure if your aware of the history of the event but the race has evolved a lot. In the 1920's the 400m was run in around 50 seconds by men. Sure the 1920's were slow for all events, but the guys ran the hundred in about 10.5 so relatively the 400m was very slow...
This is because in the 1920s the 400m was thought to be a "long race" - similar to the mile or the 800m. Ideal race strategy was thought to be slow gamesmanship for the first 250m while holding back and allowing a sprint finish. Athletes routinely negative split the race (second half faster). Then in 1924 an athlete threw caution to the wind and sprinted the first 200m and set the new WR at 47.x. Athletes then realized the 400m was a sprint of sorts and everyone's times got faster...
IMO there is still a hangover to this old thinking in the 400m. If you watch Merrit and James run the 400m behind WVN you notice some troubling things... He runs 10.7, 9.8 for the first 200m and 10.5, 12.0 to finish. I don't have their exact splits but they are pretty consistent at running about 21 low, so I would imagine they are running about 10.7, 10.2 or so and are about 5 meters behind him (0.4 seconds)....
However, if you watch the race they come off the turn EVEN with him. This means that they ran pretty close SUB 10 for the back curve. This is unheard of and it makes no sense to waste that much energy on a turn... Then in the last hundred WVN is dead but they are completely unable to keep up and run probably the slowest last 100m even for a sub 44 race (has to be around 12.7). Why do they do this?
Because they follow the classic coaching (that Allyson Felix also follows). That is push hard at the start, relax off the curve, float down the back straight, push into the turn and make your move on the last 150m - catch whoever you need to catch by the straight and rely on your superior strength to carry you through...
WVN on the other hand doesn't float down the back straight - he flys down the back straight. He runs the first 200m in only 0.5 worse than his 200m PR and then the "easiest' part of race is the back curve where he dials back ever so slightly so he can finish the last hundred without being completely out of gas...
Not surprising that WVN started running these times when he actually started running 100m and 200m seriously. Speed is the dominant force in even the 400m - athletes are fit enough to run much faster initial 200m splits than they realize. I think this is something that needs to be looked at... IMO more proof of this comes from the fact that athletes occasionally run out of their mind 400m splits in the 4x400. Sure you don't have to start but a walking handoff doesn't explain how a 48 second guy splits 46. What does explain it is that he runs faster than usual in the first 200m to get in front of the guy he has to catch - then surprisingly he is able to hold on far more than he thought...
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I think it's more likely AI could take hits well considering he was tiny in the NBA and he got bodied up and banged up all the time but yet his resilience allowed him to play through numerous injuries.
regarding boxing: ya but direct shots to the jaw is a completely different animal.. ;f no way to know until someone actually gets in a ring and takes shots. you could be one of the toughest SOB's on the planet but have a glass jaw, it's a weird thing. There's been elite professional boxers who suffer from this; a current example is Amir Khan. Insane skills .. but if you catch him on the chin, good night.
Thank you. This misconception that boxers who can take hits are tough or that their is any evidence that AI could take a punch is really frustrating... I've boxed enough to know that their isn't much like getting your bell rung in the ring - and certainly not anything in basketball. The brain accelerating in the skull and causing you to go to sleep is just completely different. If you can take anything other than boxing as evidence that someone can take a punch it would be something like how some guys just pop right up after helmet to helmet hits or something completely unrelated like how some people can be black out drunk and still functioning...
I've had one major concussion in my life and it was when an interception was thrown underneath and I was away from the play (I had run a deep go route) and jogging back toward the play when a linebacker blindsided me - I remember being lifted off my feet and the crazy feeling of my head just snapping - what I don't remember was my head hitting the ground when I landed. I got up, walked to the sideline said something unintelligible and thouht I could still play ( I remember none of this ). It was only when I couldn't answer basic questions that people realized something was wrong... It wasn't for a few days that I really had my memory back and started puking a ton that night - I'm really glad I didn't go back in the game... Does this mean I can take a punch? Maybe.. That's the scary thing about taking a punch - your brain IS concussed when you take a massive shot. Some people like Amir Khan go to sleep when this happens. Other people get into a semi-lucid state where they are able to box or play football until they get their wits back. To some extent the ability to take a punch is really the ability to subject yourself to trauma when your already in a dangerous state... The safest constitution for a fighter is to be the guy who is out cold after a big blow and then back up in 10 seconds feeling totally fine and angry that the fight is over... Not a good trait for winning boxing fights - but a very good display of your brain protecting itself...
On a side note, I wonder if there's any research as to why Mexican boxer's have such good chins.
This is a long discussed topic. It get's pretty racist pretty quickly inside of the boxing gyms I know of... Despite the fact the best chin of all time belong to Marvin Hagler you hear coaches say things like "blacks have skill but no chin". There are weak and strong chins of every race. I think the Mexican strong chin stereotype is just that - a stereotype that is reinforced by confirmation bias and socio-cultural reasons...
I think that people with truly iron jaws are a very small minority of people. The average guy probably has a glass jaw. Since being born with a strong chin seems to be completely luck we see the weakest chins on people like Amir Khan - boxing prodigies who started early. No way to know if a kid has a strong chin and odds are - he doesn't He won't be exposed because of his skill level until he gets pretty far up but then you will find out whether he has an iron chin and odds are that he doesn't.
The difference with a lot of mexican boxers is that you don't have necessarily the hand picked prodigies (floyd, amir khan, etc) that develop amazing skill from a young age (other than Hector Camacho jr most of them came from pretty rough backgrounds). That and the fact that their culture has a sense of machismo and a traditional boxing style where you are supposed to stand and take a punch like a man means that out of the thousands of poverty stricken unskilled mexicans that try to box to get out of poverty - the only ones that do are the ones that can take a punch... Those who can are developed into boxer which makes it seem like they have naturally stronger chins. That and confirmation bias does the rest.
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OMFG THAT DIVE.. amazing women's 400m final.
Aghh, I wish she hadn't fallen and won it running through....she might have got it anyway but I've seen it happen where a dive at the finish probably makes the difference.
ya after watching the replay, it looked like she didn't need to dive. when I saw it live, it looked like the dive won it for her. When Felix was coming back to (almost?) take the lead, it was nuts - i was freaking out.
Yeah... Hard to say about the dive... Personally not a fan of diving... It can win a race in hurdles or slower races - women's 400m is certainly borderline... I mean Felix is running a probably around 13 sec hundred pace at the end of the race... Between 7-8 meters a second, does diving really make a difference then? I dunno if it actually does BUT it is probably better than a mistimed lean!
Funny that Felix is brought up in a thread where the side conversation is athletic potential...
I'm sorry but her race strategy and training is terrible. Felix jogged 48.x in the semi. She is a 21.x 200m runner. With the right training she could easily go 47.9. Her coach Bobby Kersee really isn't getting the most out of her IMO. I've done a ton of training with the members of the group and his basic strategy to making athletes is to get fast athletes and make them run around and around and around the track. It's speed endurance to death. Then he gives them the same failed race strategy lashawn Merrit used - just wait and rely on the fact that you have more endurance and will be fresh in the end... Well it doesn't work in the 200 and it doesn't always work anymore in the 400m... Merritt's case is excusable cause he lost to a WR - but Felix lost to a 49.5 which is nothing for her... She waited, sized her up and looked far better finishing... But that didn't win her the race... I'm not surprised because she did hardly any speed work leading up to the olympics. What is sad is I know her coach convinced her not to double 200/400 and focus on the 400 for a guarenteed medal... How ironic that had she kept the 200 she probably wouldn't have neglected the speed work she needed to win the 400...
crazy.
would like to see the difference between Felix & Niekerk's training.
Sorry, correction. Just talked to the training group today... Last year was when her coach had her drop the 200m for the 400m for world championships. She did basically all speed endurance... This year she had an ankle injury in the weight room and basically missed out on what was going to be an abbreviated amount of speed work for the 200m (still a mistake imo). She did try to qualify for the 200m and 400m at USA trials...
Here is the most tragic thing about it. Felix missed out on the 200m spot and got 4th by 100th of a second. The girl who got third and "beat" her... SHE DOVE across the line...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIZV3-nIR2Y
Wow... In the opinion of many including myself Prandini didn't even get her torso in front of the line before Felix... Basically she was robbed by a dive that wasn't even legit...
Truly a gracious loser by how she doesn't mention how frustrating it must be...
would like to see the difference between Felix & Niekerk's training.
I don't know much about WVN training but I know exactly what Felix does and it's a ridiculous amount of speed endurance work. The attitude is that "she already has speed - let's make her strong" and I think it's a poor strategy...
I think WVN might cause another revolution in 400m training. I'm not sure if your aware of the history of the event but the race has evolved a lot. In the 1920's the 400m was run in around 50 seconds by men. Sure the 1920's were slow for all events, but the guys ran the hundred in about 10.5 so relatively the 400m was very slow...
This is because in the 1920s the 400m was thought to be a "long race" - similar to the mile or the 800m. Ideal race strategy was thought to be slow gamesmanship for the first 250m while holding back and allowing a sprint finish. Athletes routinely negative split the race (second half faster). Then in 1924 an athlete threw caution to the wind and sprinted the first 200m and set the new WR at 47.x. Athletes then realized the 400m was a sprint of sorts and everyone's times got faster...
IMO there is still a hangover to this old thinking in the 400m. If you watch Merrit and James run the 400m behind WVN you notice some troubling things... He runs 10.7, 9.8 for the first 200m and 10.5, 12.0 to finish. I don't have their exact splits but they are pretty consistent at running about 21 low, so I would imagine they are running about 10.7, 10.2 or so and are about 5 meters behind him (0.4 seconds)....
However, if you watch the race they come off the turn EVEN with him. This means that they ran pretty close SUB 10 for the back curve. This is unheard of and it makes no sense to waste that much energy on a turn... Then in the last hundred WVN is dead but they are completely unable to keep up and run probably the slowest last 100m even for a sub 44 race (has to be around 12.7). Why do they do this?
Because they follow the classic coaching (that Allyson Felix also follows). That is push hard at the start, relax off the curve, float down the back straight, push into the turn and make your move on the last 150m - catch whoever you need to catch by the straight and rely on your superior strength to carry you through...
WVN on the other hand doesn't float down the back straight - he flys down the back straight. He runs the first 200m in only 0.5 worse than his 200m PR and then the "easiest' part of race is the back curve where he dials back ever so slightly so he can finish the last hundred without being completely out of gas...
Not surprising that WVN started running these times when he actually started running 100m and 200m seriously. Speed is the dominant force in even the 400m - athletes are fit enough to run much faster initial 200m splits than they realize. I think this is something that needs to be looked at... IMO more proof of this comes from the fact that athletes occasionally run out of their mind 400m splits in the 4x400. Sure you don't have to start but a walking handoff doesn't explain how a 48 second guy splits 46. What does explain it is that he runs faster than usual in the first 200m to get in front of the guy he has to catch - then surprisingly he is able to hold on far more than he thought...
damn thanks for that info. had no idea how the 400m was run way back.
All of that makes WVN's performance even more spectacular... Seems like he might have created a major turning point in 400m once again.. that's really remarkable considering it's 2016.
The only thing that would potentially blow that away would be sub-19s in the 200m by Bolt.. I don't see that happening but, that would end up being the ultimate story of the olympics.
Man imagine if WVN had gotten 42.9x ... 43.03, so close.. absolutely incredible.
I think it's more likely AI could take hits well considering he was tiny in the NBA and he got bodied up and banged up all the time but yet his resilience allowed him to play through numerous injuries.
regarding boxing: ya but direct shots to the jaw is a completely different animal.. ;f no way to know until someone actually gets in a ring and takes shots. you could be one of the toughest SOB's on the planet but have a glass jaw, it's a weird thing. There's been elite professional boxers who suffer from this; a current example is Amir Khan. Insane skills .. but if you catch him on the chin, good night.
Thank you. This misconception that boxers who can take hits are tough or that their is any evidence that AI could take a punch is really frustrating... I've boxed enough to know that their isn't much like getting your bell rung in the ring - and certainly not anything in basketball. The brain accelerating in the skull and causing you to go to sleep is just completely different. If you can take anything other than boxing as evidence that someone can take a punch it would be something like how some guys just pop right up after helmet to helmet hits or something completely unrelated like how some people can be black out drunk and still functioning...
I've had one major concussion in my life and it was when an interception was thrown underneath and I was away from the play (I had run a deep go route) and jogging back toward the play when a linebacker blindsided me - I remember being lifted off my feet and the crazy feeling of my head just snapping - what I don't remember was my head hitting the ground when I landed. I got up, walked to the sideline said something unintelligible and thouht I could still play ( I remember none of this ). It was only when I couldn't answer basic questions that people realized something was wrong... It wasn't for a few days that I really had my memory back and started puking a ton that night - I'm really glad I didn't go back in the game... Does this mean I can take a punch? Maybe.. That's the scary thing about taking a punch - your brain IS concussed when you take a massive shot. Some people like Amir Khan go to sleep when this happens. Other people get into a semi-lucid state where they are able to box or play football until they get their wits back. To some extent the ability to take a punch is really the ability to subject yourself to trauma when your already in a dangerous state... The safest constitution for a fighter is to be the guy who is out cold after a big blow and then back up in 10 seconds feeling totally fine and angry that the fight is over... Not a good trait for winning boxing fights - but a very good display of your brain protecting itself...
damn @ being concussed in football. did you end up getting migraines and such?
i've never had migraines in my life, other than when I boxed.. that started to worry me a bit. I got my bell rung once in all-out-sparring, that was an interesting experience.. I really didn't understand what "getting your bell rung" actually meant, until that moment. I basically went on defense & kept moving, as all I could hear was a high pitched ringing sound.. I felt like I was being hunted... or like I was just in a bomb blast in a scene from some movie, HEH!
My chin seems decent but it's definitely not bionic. I got knocked down once from a chin shot (and a few times from body shots, those were 10000x worse lmao).. I don't remember anything other than just out of nowhere i'm on the ground and I sprung up to continue fighting, but they broke it up. Pretty crazy to just go "blank".. out of nowhere your computer sleeps & restores. That hit you took was more like a reboot, RAM = toast.
FWIW, i'm glad I didn't continue boxing.. I'm not sure if it did any actual damage to my brain but it could have.. and I've chosen fields that have me relying on my brain alot. My focus/brain power definitely seems to have diminished since my early 20's, but that's probably normal & due to aging etc. But i've taken some serious head shots (in boxing & basketball - head to head collisions) that have always made me wonder.
On a side note, I wonder if there's any research as to why Mexican boxer's have such good chins.
This is a long discussed topic. It get's pretty racist pretty quickly inside of the boxing gyms I know of... Despite the fact the best chin of all time belong to Marvin Hagler you hear coaches say things like "blacks have skill but no chin". There are weak and strong chins of every race. I think the Mexican strong chin stereotype is just that - a stereotype that is reinforced by confirmation bias and socio-cultural reasons...
I think that people with truly iron jaws are a very small minority of people. The average guy probably has a glass jaw. Since being born with a strong chin seems to be completely luck we see the weakest chins on people like Amir Khan - boxing prodigies who started early. No way to know if a kid has a strong chin and odds are - he doesn't He won't be exposed because of his skill level until he gets pretty far up but then you will find out whether he has an iron chin and odds are that he doesn't.
The difference with a lot of mexican boxers is that you don't have necessarily the hand picked prodigies (floyd, amir khan, etc) that develop amazing skill from a young age (other than Hector Camacho jr most of them came from pretty rough backgrounds). That and the fact that their culture has a sense of machismo and a traditional boxing style where you are supposed to stand and take a punch like a man means that out of the thousands of poverty stricken unskilled mexicans that try to box to get out of poverty - the only ones that do are the ones that can take a punch... Those who can are developed into boxer which makes it seem like they have naturally stronger chins. That and confirmation bias does the rest.
ya i wasn't even thinking when I typed it.. I'd agree with that. great response. glad you called me out on it.
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^^^ As far as side effects from my biggest concussion I don't think I had any long term ones... I'm the same as you in so far as my brain power and focus doesn't seem quite where it was in my early twenties... I don't think it's from concussions (but this might be wishful thinking) or aging but rather a lack of motivation. In my early twenties I was doing my phd in a competitive environment and making 25k a year... Now I'm done w school and I have a real career and a 401k... It's hard to motivate myself as hard to learn more math when it's not even essential to continuing my career... I wish I had some motivation to write though...
As far as acute side effects I had tons. It was really scary. After the concussion I was taken to the hospital because I didn't know my phone number or who I was. It was really a trip... I remember ride back from the game and looking at a teammate and thinking "I wonder who this guy is." So weird... I knew I was a guy and it was America and everything but I didn't really know much else and my concussed brain didn't think this was weird - it just wanted to figure things out...
One of the weirdest things ever was I remember I had a roommate but I didn't remember who it was. They told me when they took my home and I still didn't remember... Then I got home and saw him and it clicked - a rush of information and memories about who he was flew into my brain... Nuts.
The best way to describe the side effects was the I was just basically stupid for a week. Like couldn't think well... No migraines really but I'm kinda weird in so far as I recently realized I've never really had a headache... I have had a brain freeze and I kinda imagined that's what people were talking about but when someone broke it down for me I realized I've probably never really had a headache or serious migraine...
Yeah concussions suck. Boxing is such a beautiful sport but it needs to change or die - it's just not right to do that to people. I think the same about football- in the long run I hope they make it safer...
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If bolt goes sub 19 then he is doing the best job pretending he isn't fit ever... If he goes sub 19 he needs to jump in a 400m!
I don't think he will this year. I think he will cruise in sub 19.5 and win but I just don't see it... Next year I think he may... I hope I'm wrong though!
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If bolt goes sub 19 then he is doing the best job pretending he isn't fit ever... If he goes sub 19 he needs to jump in a 400m!
I don't think he will this year. I think he will cruise in sub 19.5 and win but I just don't see it... Next year I think he may... I hope I'm wrong though!
Yeah I see Bolt running 19.5/19.6 based on his 100. I'm not sure if Bolt will even run next year. I'd love to see him try and break his own 200m WR before retiring, but with his back issues he might retire.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33Ox9_JOFSU
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uhhhhhh.. bolt, 19.7 EASY AS FU*K.. dude, this final might be incredible if he runs it all out 100%.. which i think he will.
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brazil press conference soon about the lochte/robbery incident.
man o man.. starting to look like they lied... if so, Lochte has just turned himself into the biggest joke ever.
hopefully they figured it all out though, tired of hearing about this story.
Bolt tonight!!! 200m.
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uhhhhhh.. bolt, 19.7 EASY AS FU*K.. dude, this final might be incredible if he runs it all out 100%.. which i think he will.
Ehhh... I hope I'm wrong... But 19.7 easy as F*ck is like 19.4 IMO... But I do pray I'm wrong...
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Degrasse also is a contender in this, he managed to relaxingly get 19.80. Justin gatlin got over confident and didn't qualify for the 200m finals. Usain did make it very easy and I think he is possible capable of getting a new olympic record if he is in shape and goes 100% but I dont think he can get under 19sec. I think the medals would be Usain bolt with gold, degrasse with silver and fight between merit and lemaitre or edwards but it will be close for third.
The womens 200m final, elaine thompson got her revenge on dafne and won the double gold.
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maryland is still in the top-5 for gold medals won by country, tied for russia with 12. today's maryland champ is wrestler helen maroulis, who grew up 30-40 minutes from me.
after this weekend we should have at least 15 (durant, melo, and angel mccoughtry). gary russell (boxing), aaron russell (volleyball), and kyle snyder (wrestling) all still have realistic shots at gold, too.
suck it russia. and california.
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Degrasse also is a contender in this, he managed to relaxingly get 19.80. Justin gatlin got over confident and didn't qualify for the 200m finals. Usain did make it very easy and I think he is possible capable of getting a new olympic record if he is in shape and goes 100% but I dont think he can get under 19sec. I think the medals would be Usain bolt with gold, degrasse with silver and fight between merit and lemaitre or edwards but it will be close for third.
The womens 200m final, elaine thompson got her revenge on dafne and won the double gold.
Let's not read into too much what is going on in an athletes mind especially if we don't know them. Justin Gatlin is physically but moreso mentally exhausted. Personally, I do have very different and very alternative views when it comes to drugs ( I maintain that steroids make little difference for male sprinters ) but whatever your views are you have to feel sorry for the guy. He did his four year suspension, since then he has passed far more tests then Bolt or anyone else... Bolt and all the other athletes respect and support him... But he is just abused by the media, the fans, and non track athletes... Enough already... I mean getting constantly booed is horrible and he admitted how much it's worn on him... And that 19 year old American swimmer saying he shouldn't be in Rio... She can go to hell. So can people who agree with her for "speaking her mind". Most don't know this but every american athlete in Rio has to take etiquette classes - they are specifically taught NOT to say things like this in any circumstance about any athlete. They are taught to respect people. Nobody knows Justin Gatlins story or exactly what he did - the rule he broke he was punished for and it was an extensive punishement - if you have issue with the rule fine, but don't have issue with the person. I really feel for him, in this 2015 interview you can see how emotional he is about just wanting to be forgiven and given a chance to run, humbled truly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npgj7GERJ5U
Also good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAumQ-9KtME
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maryland is still in the top-5 for gold medals won by country, tied for russia with 12. today's maryland champ is wrestler helen maroulis, who grew up 30-40 minutes from me.
after this weekend we should have at least 15 (durant, melo, and angel mccoughtry). gary russell (boxing), aaron russell (volleyball), and kyle snyder (wrestling) all still have realistic shots at gold, too.
suck it russia. and california.
Hahahaha. Wow you found the only thing Maryland can beat California in. Nice job... Those athletes may be FROM maryland but were they developed in Maryland? Lol. We develop pretty good athletes here at USC:
If USC were a country, its 288 Summer Olympics medals would place it 16th. And in six different Olympics, USC’s medal count would have positioned it among the top 10 competing nations.
Ok, so Maryland is good in these olympics... But... What are they all time? How many spots behind a little school from California?
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maryland is still in the top-5 for gold medals won by country, tied for russia with 12. today's maryland champ is wrestler helen maroulis, who grew up 30-40 minutes from me.
after this weekend we should have at least 15 (durant, melo, and angel mccoughtry). gary russell (boxing), aaron russell (volleyball), and kyle snyder (wrestling) all still have realistic shots at gold, too.
suck it russia. and california.
Hahahaha. Wow you found the only thing Maryland can beat California in. Nice job... Those athletes may be FROM maryland but were they developed in Maryland? Lol. We develop pretty good athletes here at USC:
If USC were a country, its 288 Summer Olympics medals would place it 16th. And in six different Olympics, USC’s medal count would have positioned it among the top 10 competing nations.
Ok, so Maryland is good in these olympics... But... What are they all time? How many spots behind a little school from California?
aw, don't be bitter boo. we're just better than y'all this time around. :trolldance:
Let's not read into too much what is going on in an athletes mind especially if we don't know them.
didn't you say like two days ago that gatlin was "waiting for bolt"?
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ye, I dont like those who booed justin gatlin in the 100m and gave him hard time for being cheat even though he paid his due for the second drug test and the first drug fail was not really a proper fail dont remember the details, i think it was something to do with his attention disorder or something, but people still attack his for being 2 time drug cheat.
I remember the video you posted and the people were saying that they didnt like the fact that he was not resentful or apologised or tried working towards a clearer sport, just because he it was never shown on tv or something but I remember reading on the news the schools he has worked with, a letter of apology if i remember correctly.
But I agree and liked what michael johnson said.
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maryland is still in the top-5 for gold medals won by country, tied for russia with 12. today's maryland champ is wrestler helen maroulis, who grew up 30-40 minutes from me.
after this weekend we should have at least 15 (durant, melo, and angel mccoughtry). gary russell (boxing), aaron russell (volleyball), and kyle snyder (wrestling) all still have realistic shots at gold, too.
suck it russia. and california.
Hahahaha. Wow you found the only thing Maryland can beat California in. Nice job... Those athletes may be FROM maryland but were they developed in Maryland? Lol. We develop pretty good athletes here at USC:
If USC were a country, its 288 Summer Olympics medals would place it 16th. And in six different Olympics, USC’s medal count would have positioned it among the top 10 competing nations.
Ok, so Maryland is good in these olympics... But... What are they all time? How many spots behind a little school from California?
aw, don't be bitter boo. we're just better than y'all this time around. :trolldance:
Lol. You guys can have this. You need it. I'll take the weather, women, and the weed any day of the week. And I don't even smoke weed.
didn't you say like two days ago that gatlin was "waiting for bolt"?
Good call out. "Waiting" is track slang though - I don't mean Justin Gatlin was thinking "let me slow down for Usain". I mean that after 70m in the race Gatlin's splits were worse than expected given Bolt's presence. Certainly it's what happened and he admitted in the 2015 final, I guess I can't be sure until I get a hold of the official split times - but I'm somewhat confident in my claim. It's something of a misconception that I hear a lot - "The guy who wins the race at the end isn't running faster than the other guy, he is just slowing down less".
Obviously on it's face that's nonsense because you can't overtake someone unless you run faster - but even the intended purpose of the claim which is "At the end of the race the athletes slow down and the one who slows down the least will win and thus maintains a higher speed" is false. A look at the split times shows that while athletes don't necessarily hit their peak 10m split at 90-100m they don't actually slow down either. Here are some examples:
Ben Johnson 1988: 1.71 1.02 0.94 0.87 0.86 0.85 0.85 0.87 0.86 0.87
Carl Lewis 1991: 1.74 1.08 0.92 0.89 0.84 0.85 0.84 0.83 0.87 0.86
Mo Green 1999 1.72 1.03 0.92 0.88 0.86 0.84 0.85 0.85 0.85 0.86
Usain Bolt 2009: 1.73 0.99 0.90 0.86 0.83 0.82 0.81 0.82 0.83 0.83
One one hundreth is kinda a joke for 10m splits because you aren't always between the same number of strides within 10 meters and the lean at the line can mess things up as well. However, you can see that while nobody speeds up after 60m (although actually the fastest split recorded is Bolt's 60-70m 0.81) they aren't exactly slowing down either. They are maintaining almost constant speed with a little noise... This really isn't that hard - when I was in shape my splits looked exactly the same with one exception, I'm slower. However, I would run somewhere around 0.90 on my fastest split and then run 0.9 to 0.93 for the rest of my splits past 50m. Being just 0.08 slower from 40-100m from a sub 10 guy ends up being a half second disadvantage...
These are all splits from race winners however.. Sometimes athletes do slow down considerably past 60m but it's not because of fatigue so much as it is because of competition. If you watch Asafa Powell in 2007 when he loses to Tyson Gay you can see a great example of this... It's happened to me to, and it's not a conscious thing but sometimes a faster running approaching causes us to run much worse than we would if he wasn't there... When this happens you coach says "you waited for him". Obviously in one race we can't be sure, maybe Justin Gatlin simply misstepped or was fatigued from the short break, obviously I don't know, but it sure looked to me like he waited for bolt. That's not to say he would have won had he not, but it is to say he would have lost by less...
There are some weird things that go on at high speeds when you are nearby people... It's hard to explain if you don't run the 100m.. I would even argue that had Gatlin ran faster Bolt would have too... There is some maybe unconscious thing that makes us stride match nearby people, maybe its drag, maybe it's psychological I don't know... But it can make you either PR or drastically underperform depending on the day... It is one reason I think it isn't just an old adage that "iron sharpens iron" or "speed makes speed" but there is some actual truth that if you sprint with fast training partners you will get faster better than if you train alone... It's why seifullaah absolutely needs to find a way to train with someone else if he is serious about improving...
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^ Nice post!
I'm calling it: 19.38
Edit: argh. In my defense i didn't know it was wet until i got to a TV. Happy to see lemaitre sneak in for bronze
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Those times were kinda disappointing but im glad Bolt won .. oh well
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Those times were kinda disappointing but im glad Bolt won .. oh well
Yeah... I didn't expect much more than 19.5 and had he not let up at the end maybe we would have seen it... But I mean the man was injured just two months ago... I really hope he shuts up all the people claiming he is getting old and gets fit and focuses on either the 100 or 200 and sets another world record in his 30s.
The olympics really makes them run too much with too little rest... Come on do we really gotta make bolt run 6 races? I think they should do like the world championships and wildcard in previous winners and medalists... Given that they qualify I think they should at least get a bye into the semi or final.... The people want great times!
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How much does a wet track affect times or is it insignificant?
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How much does a wet track affect times or is it insignificant?
Probably not something you could quantify exactly but I remember generally having better 150m times on a hot track in summer as opposed to a wet track in summer. Probably several factors involved: temperature of track, friction, mental effect on athletes (you might slow down a bit on the turn in the 200m for example). Also, if it's wet, it might be colder, windy etc. Hard to separate all the variables.
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How much does a wet track affect times or is it insignificant?
Probably not something you could quantify exactly but I remember generally having better 150m times on a hot track in summer as opposed to a wet track in summer. Probably several factors involved: temperature of track, friction, mental effect on athletes (you might slow down a bit on the turn in the 200m for example). Also, if it's wet, it might be colder, windy etc. Hard to separate all the variables.
The actual surface of the track doesn't is pretty insignificant... Bolt came onto the scene in 2008 when he set the record ahead of Beijing with a 9.71 in the rain in New York.
I have run fast and slow times on wet and dry tracks - if you have spikes and there are no actual puddles it doesn't make much difference...
Of course if it's raining... It's annoying, imagine being in the blocks and rain falls in your eye...
From a physics standpoint it's really not the surface but the effect on air resistance that weather affects. Ideally you want it extremely hot (faster air molecules means less resistance) and extremely humid (h20 is lighter than nitrogen which is displaces so the air is lighter), extreme altitude at the equator (least gravity helpful for jumps at least) and a nice tailwind...
I would take a hot humid day with a few drops of rain over a cold dry night every single time I do know that... But I'll take indoors over all so who knows...
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Thanks for the mention todday :p, will try and run with someone I find on the track, he may not be training just let him warm up and then run, maybe he will let me run once with him and then he will get back to his business lol, but alot of the times it is empty.
As for the 200m final, I was suprised bolt was the only one who ran sub 20, and noone else, must be what todday was talking about how the other people in the race affects our race in someway. but i feel gutted for gemili, who was that close to winning a medal for gb in the 200m. But congrats to letmaitre.
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http://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/19/12467438/rio-olympics-2016-athletes-small-nations-richson-simeon
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Thanks for the mention todday :p, will try and run with someone I find on the track, he may not be training just let him warm up and then run, maybe he will let me run once with him and then he will get back to his business lol, but alot of the times it is empty.
As for the 200m final, I was suprised bolt was the only one who ran sub 20, and noone else, must be what todday was talking about how the other people in the race affects our race in someway. but i feel gutted for gemili, who was that close to winning a medal for gb in the 200m. But congrats to letmaitre.
Man... Gemili and Martina... I am usually pretty competitive but in this case I was just like damn can we give them both a medal??
Yeah you should be able to find track people to run with... For the most part if you ask a sprinter if you can run with him and you don't ask too many questions most won't mind - just yourself out there...
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Japan took Silver in the Mens 4x100m :o
I didn't see them beating the USA or Canada, but it was an impressive effort. Jamaica won the Gold so no shocks there.
Edit- The USA came 3rd but they have now been DQ'd.
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/19/12564266/rio-2016-team-usa-mens-4x100-disqualified-again-justin-gatlin
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Wat the fuk :pissed: :rant:, I cannot reiterate how shocking it was to witness this I really feel for this guy. The final gold medal match in the karioki (dont hate me for the spelling) in taekwondo lutallo muhammad vs cisse, lutallo was in the lead and was going to win the gold medal until 1 second left of the entire match, cisse makes a kick to the head because muhammad went for the attack also instead of defending and gets kicked in the head, which is 3 points and cisse wins the gold. om fukin days. sorry for the profanity but it was insanely close and you could see how distraught lutallo was in his interview. 1 SECOND LEFT. All he had to do was defend and then a kick comes you dont see coming and bang finished.
The relays went as always, US got disqualified as they sometimes usually mess up somewhere. But glad powell got to run and win gold too, GB not that good especially they had lane 1, so they have tighter turns.
also a wave of robberies in boxing has been occurring, it just follows the sport everywhere.
Also Todday, I think you mean lemaitre and gemili, I also think they both deserve a medal.
but mostly taken back by the taekwondo, 1 sec left lol, anything can change. But he made history still but doesnt take the fact away he was 1 sec away from being olympic champion. :uhhhfacepalm:
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good boxing match between stevens and lopez, lopez just looked more slick and a better boxer, I had a feeling the cubans would be racking up a lot of the boxing gold medals.
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been kind of side tracked with other stuff the last few days, can't wait to look back over the recent posts.
until then..
US women's basketball has won 50 straight? another gold.
can't wait for these two:
Brazil vs Germany futbol, gold medal match soon!!
and Mo Farah tonight in the 5k finals.
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also this:
(https://giant.gfycat.com/EllipticalBitterFeline.gif)
eek.
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wat happened, did he injure his back or something, i thought he just slipped and fell on the mat.
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Wat the fuk :pissed: :rant:, I cannot reiterate how shocking it was to witness this I really feel for this guy. The final gold medal match in the karioki (dont hate me for the spelling) in taekwondo lutallo muhammad vs cisse, lutallo was in the lead and was going to win the gold medal until 1 second left of the entire match, cisse makes a kick to the head because muhammad went for the attack also instead of defending and gets kicked in the head, which is 3 points and cisse wins the gold. om fukin days. sorry for the profanity but it was insanely close and you could see how distraught lutallo was in his interview. 1 SECOND LEFT. All he had to do was defend and then a kick comes you dont see coming and bang finished.
The relays went as always, US got disqualified as they sometimes usually mess up somewhere. But glad powell got to run and win gold too, GB not that good especially they had lane 1, so they have tighter turns.
also a wave of robberies in boxing has been occurring, it just follows the sport everywhere.
Also Todday, I think you mean lemaitre and gemili, I also think they both deserve a medal.
but mostly taken back by the taekwondo, 1 sec left lol, anything can change. But he made history still but doesnt take the fact away he was 1 sec away from being olympic champion. :uhhhfacepalm:
Lol no I mean Martina and Gemili who got 4th and 5th!
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wat happened, did he injure his back or something, i thought he just slipped and fell on the mat.
nah he's good.. could have been bad though. just looks crazy.
he just "slipped and fell on the mat" from like 15 feet up. haha. :F
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good boxing match between stevens and lopez, lopez just looked more slick and a better boxer, I had a feeling the cubans would be racking up a lot of the boxing gold medals.
regarding your other post.. i've been "bitten by robberies" so much watching olympic boxing, that maybe that's why i'm not as excited to see it, as I am with other events. I really didn't watch too many fights.. I heard there were plenty of really bad robberies though. Just watching one is enough.. they really need to fix this crap, ESPECIALLY in the olympics because most of these dudes aren't making any money.
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the 5k final was NUTS.. Farah gets gold as expected. Chelimo gets silver, but then live on TV as they are interviewing him, they tell him he's been DQ'd.. he was like WTF.. then Lagat, who finished 6th, jumps to 3rd because 2 other runners DQ'd.. finally, Chelimo is reinstated as 2nd, and Lagat gets 4th.
crazy chain of events.
biggest shock was Centrowitz winning gold in 1500m.. damn.
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the 5k final was NUTS.. Farah gets gold as expected. Chelimo gets silver, but then live on TV as they are interviewing him, they tell him he's been DQ'd.. he was like WTF.. then Lagat, who finished 6th, jumps to 3rd because 2 other runners DQ'd.. finally, Chelimo is reinstated as 2nd, and Lagat gets 4th.
crazy chain of events.
biggest shock was Centrowitz winning gold in 1500m.. damn.
Centrowitz!!!! Mixed people kill it!!! Wow. Won't be a appreciated but its huge!!!
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the 5k final was NUTS.. Farah gets gold as expected. Chelimo gets silver, but then live on TV as they are interviewing him, they tell him he's been DQ'd.. he was like WTF.. then Lagat, who finished 6th, jumps to 3rd because 2 other runners DQ'd.. finally, Chelimo is reinstated as 2nd, and Lagat gets 4th.
crazy chain of events.
biggest shock was Centrowitz winning gold in 1500m.. damn.
Centrowitz!!!! Mixed people kill it!!! Wow. Won't be a appreciated but its huge!!!
I wonder if Alberto Salazar is going to get even more athletes now.. Farah repeat 10k/5k gold, and Centrowitz 1500m gold.. and Rupp 10k silver 4 years ago. I imagine he had some others too, not sure though.
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@adarq, ye, There have been a lot of robberies in boxing lately, AIBA has removed some of the officials. I just had to watch this fight as shakur stevenson was highly praised by the US team and mayweather even wanted to recruit stevenson into the TMT team and would be the face of TMT, so I had to see how good he was.
Wat an epic football match between brasil and germany, brasil who got eliminated in the last world cup on home soil have won the olympic gold medal in the home turf and sweet revenege and the way it ended, omg. It goes to penalty, germany have a high winning percentage in penalties and then neymar the star of brasil scored the victory penalty and got brasil the gold and the crow errupted.
@todday, I wouldn't give martina the medal he wasn't as close as gemili and lemaitre was, maybe give lemaitre and gemili the bronze and give martina the copper medal lol, jk ye they 3 should get bronze medal they really put everything in it.
olympic is coming to a close with the closing ceremony, it has been an awesome olympics, epic performances and then you have the sad moments.
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@adarq, ye, There have been a lot of robberies in boxing lately, AIBA has removed some of the officials. I just had to watch this fight as shakur stevenson was highly praised by the US team and mayweather even wanted to recruit stevenson into the TMT team and would be the face of TMT, so I had to see how good he was.
ya i think he's still signed by TMT. I wanted to see him too but missed every one of his matches.
I didn't catch ANY olympic weightlifting either.. fail on my part.
Wat an epic football match between brasil and germany, brasil who got eliminated in the last world cup on home soil have won the olympic gold medal in the home turf and sweet revenege and the way it ended, omg. It goes to penalty, germany have a high winning percentage in penalties and then neymar the star of brasil scored the victory penalty and got brasil the gold and the crow errupted.
crow? raptor's crow? :trollface:
ya i forgot to mention that yesterday.. huge redemption for Brazil. The PK's were excellent, everyone was just crushing them.. then boom, slightly weak final kick and an excellent goalie stop by Brazil. Neymar took a little longer than usually to let everyone soak it in, then game over.
epic
@todday, I wouldn't give martina the medal he wasn't as close as gemili and lemaitre was, maybe give lemaitre and gemili the bronze and give martina the copper medal lol, jk ye they 3 should get bronze medal they really put everything in it.
olympic is coming to a close with the closing ceremony, it has been an awesome olympics, epic performances and then you have the sad moments.
yup it's been pretty fun to watch.
men's marathon going on right now (fun to watch the scenery as they run) and....... USA / SERBIA @ 2:45 PM ET, gold medal basketball match. :headbang:
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Wat an epic football match between brasil and germany, brasil who got eliminated in the last world cup on home soil have won the olympic gold medal in the home turf and sweet revenege and the way it ended, omg. It goes to penalty, germany have a high winning percentage in penalties and then neymar the star of brasil scored the victory penalty and got brasil the gold and the crow errupted.
crow? raptor's crow? :trollface:
ya i forgot to mention that yesterday.. huge redemption for Brazil. The PK's were excellent, everyone was just crushing them.. then boom, slightly weak final kick and an excellent goalie stop by Brazil. Neymar took a little longer than usually to let everyone soak it in, then game over.
epic
lmao lol spelling mistake lol. ye neymar had a lot of pressure to bring home the gold.
especially after 7-1 loss they suffered at the world cup against germany.
@todday, I wouldn't give martina the medal he wasn't as close as gemili and lemaitre was, maybe give lemaitre and gemili the bronze and give martina the copper medal lol, jk ye they 3 should get bronze medal they really put everything in it.
olympic is coming to a close with the closing ceremony, it has been an awesome olympics, epic performances and then you have the sad moments.
yup it's been pretty fun to watch.
men's marathon going on right now (fun to watch the scenery as they run) and....... USA / SERBIA @ 2:45 PM ET, gold medal basketball match. :headbang:
I watched the 5k just now as i missed it yesterday, wow the ethiopians played it hard, but it was not enough for farah to fall to it especially the last push by the american wow, just epic, as you called it.
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ya .. only way to beat farah is to push him hard the whole race, I imagine.. they should have done that in the 10k and a bit more in the 5k.
Chilemo's final kick, yup.
damn Galen Rupp is in the top 3 of the marathon @ 1h:45 in .. mile 21.
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Rupp got the bronze.. he competed in the 10k finals, didn't medal. Then medals in the marathon. pretty crazy.
cool moment just happened too.. Meb fell right before the finish line.. so while he was on the ground, he started doing pushups. hah.
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lol at making the fall less embarrassing, by doing push ups lol.
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ya .. only way to beat farah is to push him hard the whole race, I imagine.. they should have done that in the 10k and a bit more in the 5k.
Chilemo's final kick, yup.
damn Galen Rupp is in the top 3 of the marathon @ 1h:45 in .. mile 21.
Yeah I really like that about distance running... It's so tactical! Centrowitz got gold in 3:50 for the 5k. That's a good time for a high schooler... His PR is 3:30... The Algerian who got second has run 3:23... Crazy that they ran that slow...
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centrowitz won gold in the 1500m. 3 min is superhuman speed in the 5k lol. I think the last time he ran that in the eugene diamond league he was winning ahead of the kenyans in the steeple chase and after last hurdle a few metres ahead. stumbled and fell and came third, so this would be a good feeling for him.
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centrowitz won gold in the 1500m. 3 min is superhuman speed in the 5k lol. I think the last time he ran that in the eugene diamond league he was winning ahead of the kenyans in the steeple chase and after last hurdle a few metres ahead. stumbled and fell and came third, so this would be a good feeling for him.
Sorry... I meant the 1500m.
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Not sure if it's been mentioned as haven't really kept up with this thread but just wanna mention how great team GB did placing second overall
GBs ~70 million vs China's 1.3+ billion population... pretty incredible to beat them. I wonder if we can catch the US one day :trolldance:
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Not sure if it's been mentioned as haven't really kept up with this thread but just wanna mention how great team GB did placing second overall
GBs ~70 million vs China's 1.3+ billion population... pretty incredible to beat them. I wonder if we can catch the US one day :trolldance:
True, this was the most medals they ever collected in any olympics. Also the sports they competed in was the most compared to china and USA. So GB has a diverse range of athletes for different sports.
So a well deserved congrats to team GB.
I dont think we probably ever will catch the US, we can only hope they mess up somewhere so we can come it to take the prize :P
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About medal table normalization:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/21/rio-2016-alternate-medal-table-how-countries-rank-when-we-adjust/
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About medal table normalization:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/21/rio-2016-alternate-medal-table-how-countries-rank-when-we-adjust/
Good article. It's silly to compare just the population of countries and medals because of wild cards and qualifying and maximal number of athletes that can go...
It's also silly to talk about medal count when they are not really distributed across sport or ability... There was a lot of talent in the men's basketball competition - 1 gold medal was awarded. However 10 were awarded for sailing. 34 for swimming different strokes at different distances! Only 20 medals for running events despite the fact that humans are clearly land mammals...
Seems they high gdp countries have the advantage of inflating the number of medals in sports that cost money and nobody cares about!
This article is a good attempt but it makes the mistake of defining caring about by watching it at the olympics... Olympic ratings have more to do with a terrible job by nbc and novelty that actual sport popularity... Sure people watch gymnastics more in the olympics than soccer... Cause they already watch soccer the rest of their entire life!
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-countries-medal-in-the-sports-that-people-care-about/