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Critique my jump form
« on: July 09, 2011, 05:46:47 pm »
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i suspect the reason i jammed my arm in clip #2 is because i'm taking off at an angle, but i have no idea. it hurt

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs9EojDbrpU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs9EojDbrpU</a>
btw i was very sleep deprived and tired, i need to follow adarquis guidelines for jump day eating, like 12 bananas .. i guess the only reason i didnt is because im not eating sugar during the week except after workouts =|  "slow carb diet" to cut fat

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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2011, 06:15:00 pm »
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Friggin horrible! BUT that just means there's so much room for improvement... if that was perfect jump form then you would have trouble gaining more inches  ;)

1. You're going to have to run faster.
2. You're going to have to learn to come into the basket at an angle.
3. You need to jump further from the basket at take-off (I have this problem too).
4. You're barely even.... planting. I swear, on both jumps, I thought you were going to take off from one foot.
5. Practice jumping without the ball first to work on technique and learn to use your arms when you jump (the swing).
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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 08:39:45 pm »
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Thanks so much dude!!!!! I'll practice these things this week!!! DO you think maybe that practicing form could yield faster improvements for me, than lifting?  IF so,  how often can I practice form ... every day?


>> 4. You're barely even.... planting. I swear, on both jumps, I thought you were going to take off from one foot.
haha :) how do i plant because i'm running?

>> 5. Practice jumping without the ball first to work on technique and learn to use your arms when you jump (the swing).
what are some good ways to practice the swing?  idk how i should start working my arms


thanks so much!!!  you have given me a lot of hope to  :ibjumping: and   :personal-record:  :)

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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2011, 04:09:12 am »
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Friggin horrible! BUT that just means there's so much room for improvement... if that was perfect jump form then you would have trouble gaining more inches  ;)

1. You're going to have to run faster.
2. You're going to have to learn to come into the basket at an angle.
3. You need to jump further from the basket at take-off (I have this problem too).
4. You're barely even.... planting. I swear, on both jumps, I thought you were going to take off from one foot.
5. Practice jumping without the ball first to work on technique and learn to use your arms when you jump (the swing).

x2 :D

btw as for bananas, start off with like 6, no need for 12 right now..

you need to do some submax work, just trying to "act" the part of some high level jumper.. by that i mean, come in on an angle & plant deeper... you can do this submaximally, maximally it won't happen until you get in some submax work.. so just go light and work on getting some knee bend, you barely bend at all it's pretty crazy haha.. it'll probably have you jumping lower initially, but once you start improving your runup and plant depth, you'll start getting up higher.

don't worry about run up speed as much yet until you work on getting lower in that plant, it definitely won't happen until you can plant deeper at your current speed.. think about throwing yourself into the ground before you jump.

work on 1,2&3 step runups.. 1 step into a half squat style plant and jump.. etc.. eventually when those get better, should happen fairly quickly, work on 2 step, then 3 step etc.. warmup with those as small technique drills before your jump sessions, to help reinforce some of those things you need to do.. when you go 'fast' and do a big runup, its hard to change things.. with 1,2,3 step drills, you can really focus on those changes much more effectively.

peace man, look forward to seeing some big progress over next 4 weeks, much to be made

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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2011, 04:12:08 am »
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Thanks so much dude!!!!! I'll practice these things this week!!! DO you think maybe that practicing form could yield faster improvements for me, than lifting?  IF so,  how often can I practice form ... every day?

it's not an either or, you got to lift to get stronger, which if you do, will help change your form over time automatically.. getting stronger allows your body to make use of form/runup speeds you wouldn't handle at weaker strength levels.

you can practice form "as often as possible", but, you just have to listen to your body and take rest days when needed.. in general, if you did lots of jump work, ie, max effort jumps and technique work, every other day would be good because it would keep you fresher than every day, that can get monotonous.

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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2011, 05:24:38 am »
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What if he uses a one-leg jump?

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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2011, 07:40:40 am »
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Man I looked through this and decided I needed to slow down my video to really understand, here's it in super slow mo
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isH7AhWU5VQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isH7AhWU5VQ</a>

I also noticed my shoulders are hunched in jump #2, that is probably a side effect of anxiety but its probably also hurting my jump



btw as for bananas, start off with like 6, no need for 12 right now..

you need to do some submax work....come in on an angle & plant deeper... so just go light and work on getting some knee bend, you barely bend at all it's pretty crazy haha... think about throwing yourself into the ground before you jump.


work on 1,2&3 step runups.. 1 step into a half squat style plant and jump.. etc.. eventually when those get better, should happen fairly quickly, work on 2 step, then 3 step etc.. warmup with those as small technique drills before your jump sessions, to help reinforce some of those things you need to do.. when you go 'fast' and do a big runup, its hard to change things.. with 1,2,3 step drills, you can really focus on those changes much more effectively.

peace man, look forward to seeing some big progress over next 4 weeks, much to be made

thanks man :)

hahaha, so 6 bananas in the AM with my whey protein shake, on days i am jumping?  or is the best practice to take them the night,  before bed, when i have my casein

does submax work just mean jumping but not with full mental intensity? I googled it and found studies that differentiate between low submax, high submax, and also max.  Apparently max activates hips way more than high submax but I'm not sure what the difference is between high submax and max otherwise

i'll be doing the drills and reporting back with progress



What if he uses a one-leg jump?

I jump off 2 legs.  My 1 leg jump is horrible (  My standing 1 leg VJ is ... finger tips touch the backboard ) I would love to improve it. 


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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2011, 08:48:33 am »
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You don't measure 1 leg vertical from a standstill, the technique requires a run-up. I would advise to stick with two-legged VJ for now.

A progression you can use to learn the drop-step VJ:

1. stand on non-planting leg, arms out in front of you at shoulder height
2. make a BIG step with the other leg, planting far in front of you and therefore lowering your center of mass (COM); swing arms back forcefully at the same time
3. make the last step, putting your non-planting leg slightly in front of the other one; JUMP while at the same time throwing your arms in the air

Do this to practice those most important last two steps. This program has to become automatized and you can easily manipulate how far you lower the COM to get into the mechanically most advantageous jumping position. To learn jumping from a full run-up just add steps gradually, beginning with one, then two, etc.




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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2011, 11:48:45 am »
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You don't measure 1 leg vertical from a standstill, the technique requires a run-up. I would advise to stick with two-legged VJ for now.

A progression you can use to learn the drop-step VJ:

1. stand on non-planting leg, arms out in front of you at shoulder height
2. make a BIG step with the other leg, planting far in front of you and therefore lowering your center of mass (COM); swing arms back forcefully at the same time
3. make the last step, putting your non-planting leg slightly in front of the other one; JUMP while at the same time throwing your arms in the air

Do this to practice those most important last two steps. This program has to become automatized and you can easily manipulate how far you lower the COM to get into the mechanically most advantageous jumping position. To learn jumping from a full run-up just add steps gradually, beginning with one, then two, etc.






x 1000, its amazing how many people never do this, and it helps even already good jumpers to go back and drill it from time to time.
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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2011, 07:05:57 pm »
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i love this; i feel it in my abs

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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2011, 05:36:19 am »
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You don't measure 1 leg vertical from a standstill, the technique requires a run-up. I would advise to stick with two-legged VJ for now.

A progression you can use to learn the drop-step VJ:

1. stand on non-planting leg, arms out in front of you at shoulder height
2. make a BIG step with the other leg, planting far in front of you and therefore lowering your center of mass (COM); swing arms back forcefully at the same time
3. make the last step, putting your non-planting leg slightly in front of the other one; JUMP while at the same time throwing your arms in the air

Do this to practice those most important last two steps. This program has to become automatized and you can easily manipulate how far you lower the COM to get into the mechanically most advantageous jumping position. To learn jumping from a full run-up just add steps gradually, beginning with one, then two, etc.






Am I doing this right?  I have been drilling it for 2 days now.  I figure this week I will just do step #1 and step #2 for 20 minutes a day until I get it right

regular
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wdSzWOweVw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wdSzWOweVw</a>

slow -mo
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7H7jXyy_4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7H7jXyy_4</a>


I feel I am unable to consistently place my foot forward in the same place every time.  I feel off balance.
In this video I actually felt unusually GOOD balance.



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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2011, 10:11:53 am »
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Am I doing this right?  I have been drilling it for 2 days now.  I figure this week I will just do step #1 and step #2 for 20 minutes a day until I get it right

I feel I am unable to consistently place my foot forward in the same place every time.  I feel off balance.
In this video I actually felt unusually GOOD balance.

« Last Edit: July 13, 2011, 10:13:44 am by steven-miller »

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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2011, 11:03:29 am »
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here's an example somewhat:

1-step & 2-step:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVt1HrBgCEc

3-step (and another 1-step):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fREo6kHpzbM

the idea is to fix your plant in the 1-step then 2-step, then 3-step, then full etc...

that's what we're getting at basically.. i define things a little different than steven-miller, so, 1-step is 1 step then the plant and so on for 2-3/etc.

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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2011, 12:05:51 pm »
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This would help you. www.jumpingtechnique.com
« Last Edit: July 13, 2011, 12:14:51 pm by andyhug »
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Re: Critique my jump form
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2011, 01:11:22 pm »
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Very good examples from adarqui. Only thing is that he plants left-right, which is unusual for a right-hander. But it's not necessarily worse. But if you feel comfortable with right-left-plant, don't let his example you off. It works for him, do what works for you (unless you are a volleyball player, then you should finish with the opposite sides leg that you hit with).

Don't getting andyhug's post though.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2011, 01:13:10 pm by steven-miller »