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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2012, 02:09:59 am »
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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2012, 03:06:53 am »
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and the Electronic scale shows 188.6lbs  at 19.8% BF   :uhhhfacepalm:




  Google "validity and reliability of bioelectrical impedence".

FUXK, Look at what i found about the SCALE i have at home...
 :wowthatwasnutswtf: WTF man...  WOMAN SCALE??
http://www.tanita.com/en/um060gl/
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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2012, 03:44:01 am »
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It matters if you have ovaries as far as bodyfat measuring goes?

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2012, 05:53:32 pm »
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I would define being in shape as having a decent amount of cardiorespiratory endurance. In terms of distance-time, I would categorize decent-good shape as ~3:00 800m (1/2 mile), ~6:30 Mile, ~14:30 2 Miles, ~24:00 3 Miles. These are all levels of cardiorespiratory fitness anyone can attain, provided they aren't overweight. If you can do these, I would say you are in pretty good shape. Definitely not good for an endurance athlete, but for basketball, general health ect. Working on getting to this level of fitness will not have any negative impact on vertical/ power output, in fact it could help condition the tendons for more explosive work.


Three miles in 30 minutes in pretty terrible because if you have any kind of running economy a ten minute mile shouldn't be hard.  But I think the 6 minute mile or 6:30 standard is terrible (this is coming from someone who has run miles in 4 something, btw).

When I was in college the basketball team would come to the indoor facility for there fall conditioning.  Coach Romar had some silly conditioning coach that had got it in his head that every division 1 basketball player should be able to run a six minute mile. Once a week he would make the basketball players run a timed mile and those who didn't get under 6 minutes would have to repeat the next week.  Needless to say, the player who struggled the most with this happened to be the starting point guard (who is the nba now, btw), and each week just barely missed the cut.  I am pretty sure he got 6:0X but never quite made it.  He had pretty terrible speed maintenance, insisted on wearing baggy shorts, and got mentally rattled when he was the only one running left.  He also complained that his back would tighten up.

Point is, the thing was a colossal waste of time and pretty unrelated to anything an athlete needs to do.  While a 6minute mile SHOULD be attainable personal variation might make this harder for some without having any bearing on the general "shape" someone is in.

If you have to make standards for general conditioning that apply to sports make them at least on the order of time that is somewhat realistic.  Running 3 miles in 24 minutes is not going to turn you into a slow twitch machine but busting your butt to reach the standard is a waste of time as well. 

A better standard to hold yourself to if you insist on continuous running is that most men should be able to run 400m in around a minute or around your age if you are older.   

Even better standards which translate to sports are involve repeats.  3 200m sprints with 2 minutes rest between each.

Most men should be able to keep them all under 30.
If you can keep them all under 27 you have great endurance and lactic capacity.
Under 25 and you are both fast and very fit.
In 24,23,22 are you are world class (this was michael johnsons workout). 

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2012, 01:11:43 am »
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I would define being in shape as having a decent amount of cardiorespiratory endurance. In terms of distance-time, I would categorize decent-good shape as ~3:00 800m (1/2 mile), ~6:30 Mile, ~14:30 2 Miles, ~24:00 3 Miles. These are all levels of cardiorespiratory fitness anyone can attain, provided they aren't overweight. If you can do these, I would say you are in pretty good shape. Definitely not good for an endurance athlete, but for basketball, general health ect. Working on getting to this level of fitness will not have any negative impact on vertical/ power output, in fact it could help condition the tendons for more explosive work.


Three miles in 30 minutes in pretty terrible because if you have any kind of running economy a ten minute mile shouldn't be hard.  But I think the 6 minute mile or 6:30 standard is terrible (this is coming from someone who has run miles in 4 something, btw).

When I was in college the basketball team would come to the indoor facility for there fall conditioning.  Coach Romar had some silly conditioning coach that had got it in his head that every division 1 basketball player should be able to run a six minute mile. Once a week he would make the basketball players run a timed mile and those who didn't get under 6 minutes would have to repeat the next week.  Needless to say, the player who struggled the most with this happened to be the starting point guard (who is the nba now, btw), and each week just barely missed the cut.  I am pretty sure he got 6:0X but never quite made it.  He had pretty terrible speed maintenance, insisted on wearing baggy shorts, and got mentally rattled when he was the only one running left.  He also complained that his back would tighten up.

Point is, the thing was a colossal waste of time and pretty unrelated to anything an athlete needs to do.  While a 6minute mile SHOULD be attainable personal variation might make this harder for some without having any bearing on the general "shape" someone is in.

If you have to make standards for general conditioning that apply to sports make them at least on the order of time that is somewhat realistic.  Running 3 miles in 24 minutes is not going to turn you into a slow twitch machine but busting your butt to reach the standard is a waste of time as well. 

A better standard to hold yourself to if you insist on continuous running is that most men should be able to run 400m in around a minute or around your age if you are older.   

Even better standards which translate to sports are involve repeats.  3 200m sprints with 2 minutes rest between each.

Most men should be able to keep them all under 30.
If you can keep them all under 27 you have great endurance and lactic capacity.
Under 25 and you are both fast and very fit.
In 24,23,22 are you are world class (this was michael johnsons workout). 

Do this, or even if you don't feel like going out and sprinting on a track, you could just sprint your basketball court back and forth with  one minute or so rest in between each set.

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2012, 04:36:15 am »
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2 week of no squat,
2 x 30 min running
too many jump attempts.
and

 :headbang: Slight improvement

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2012, 05:23:22 am »
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I just saw that dwarf pic and your latest video, you are lean , fuck fat loss,  you need to go back to squatting before you start losing strength!
Keep getting stronger and jumping often and you will dunk , it is just as simple as that :highfive:
« Last Edit: April 02, 2012, 05:30:43 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2012, 01:28:31 am »
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I agree with Vag, in those pictures and videos you definitely do not look anywhere as fat as 20% bodyfat.  You look lean enough, maybe like ~14%ish, and especially since you're a two foot jumper, getting leaner and lighter isn't as important to you.  

I'd say, fuck the cardio if you don't want to do it, keep getting your squat and other weight room numbers up, and keep having your jump sessions/practices 2-4x a week.  It is that fucking simple, but you keep changing things up, asking for advice but not listening and never staying consistent for long enough.  Just do that simple shit.  Get stronger, and JUMP.  Stop changing shit and doing random stuff.

Maybe you can go to a local gym with personal trainers who will give you a body fat test with something reliable like body calipers.  If you aren't 12% or under, and you'd like to be (which can only help as long as you don't go too crazy dieting and trying to get to like 5%), then you can change up your diet.

I just saw your most recent post, 2 weeks of no squat?  WTF are you doing?  Even if you're cutting and trying to lose weight, you're still suppose to weight train and try and keep your strength up, if not continue building more strength while dieting.  WTF?  Squatting will not hinder your fat loss goals.......
« Last Edit: April 03, 2012, 01:30:47 am by D4 »
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2012, 02:45:53 am »
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THanks for those who reply.
I ran for the 3rd time yesterday.. I guess running 30 min twice a week is not bad. i feel sort of good about it, even though running is tough..

I  stopped Squat because i was Acting like a  Pro and trying to Deload myself.  But end up being told to DELOAD my Cal.  :highfive:
Aanyhow, i will be heading back to the gym real soon, if not this week (due to easter holiday), the lastest will be next week.

I am not sure about the body fat number as suggested from some member that the Scale is off anyway.

I guess i will be Squating, Jumping, Running and balling..
I am thinking about doing Jumpsole for the 2nd round at lunch if possible... still not sure yet.

But one thing I felt personaly is when I do Depth Jump now, i feel like i have more Springy feeling... (this feeling was got after completing the Jumpsole program)

(i know the Jumpsole might not be necessary, it is just a toy which got my doing plyo, like a Electonic tooth brusch get u to bursh ur teeth sort of thing...  which is gay)


Paused my last video and seem like Dunking in Nov, might be possible!
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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2012, 05:48:41 am »
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Yeah , don't go crazy and totally modify your training plan everytime someone gives you an advice. Stick to the basics.
As for running , it sure ain't hurt you. But maybe you should consider replacing it with interval sprints.
It is even more time-efficient and definitely more benefitial jump-wise.
Don't go crazy and start a sprinters schedule , lol , just instead of slow running 30 mins , next time do something like 3x5 40-60m sprints.

Edit: is that rim 10' ? because i would say that's at least 4'' above it ( i'd go for 5'' considering the hand angle too ).
But that would be a 35''  :personal-record: , or not?
« Last Edit: April 03, 2012, 05:53:51 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Review after Jump approach pratice
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2012, 10:36:02 am »
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what's your reach, scooby?
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Review after Jump approach pratice
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2012, 11:08:54 am »
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what's your reach, scooby?

Yes scooby , what's your reach?
You should post it on your signature , so people can see it. Probably post it both in feet and in inches. Finally, post some other stuff in the signature so that it drags people's eyes , making it impossible for someone to miss it!

 :-*
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Review after Jump approach pratice
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2012, 11:36:14 am »
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Yo vertical bro! I was skeptical about the pic myself also.
So after work today, I went to the court with a measuring tape, paused all the kid who is playing 3on3, pretend to be some park management dude and measured the rim height.
The left rim is 121 inches, the right rim (as in the photo is 120 inches)

(Most of my previous utube video is taken in a court at my old home, which I believe is lower. )
So as of today, I can officially say I hit a new PR.

As for my reach, it is in my signature...
7'5" (89inches)

I hope I can continue to go higher and dunk on my baby 1 yrs old b'day!!
« Last Edit: April 03, 2012, 11:38:33 am by scoobychau »
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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2012, 11:57:54 am »
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what's your reach, scooby?

Yes scooby , what's your reach?
You should post it on your signature , so people can see it. Probably post it both in feet and in inches. Finally, post some other stuff in the signature so that it drags people's eyes , making it impossible for someone to miss it!

 :-*

shut the fuck up vag, i'll kill you in your sleep.

 :uhhhfacepalm:
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Review after Jump approach pratice
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2012, 12:59:24 pm »
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You need 33 inches just to touch the rim if your reach is 7'5 (2.26m) and the rim is 121 inches (3.08m) (at the highest part of the rim) so... not too shabby. You're about 4 inches over the rim so that's a ~37 inch jump.