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Performance Area => Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion => Topic started by: flyingthunder on August 13, 2012, 08:34:59 am
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Right now I´m training my upper body mostly with body building methods(3sets 8-12reps) but when I watch the workout videos from nba players on youtube they are doing completly other things. So my question is if I should train my upper body like I´m doing at the moment or if there is a better methode to improve my upper body in a more useful way for a basketball player.
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Don't look at what pro players do - they're older/more experienced than you are. Start with the draft numbers -
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=&pos=&source=All&sort=14
sort by bench press, you'll see you guys repping between 0-26 reps of 180lb. How many reps can you do?
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ALL OF THE MUSCLE MASS IS USEFUL
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180ibs ? maybe 3 times :D. So should I stay with my body biulding routine or should I go for a more strenght based upper body routine with less reps and more weight ?
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it doesn't matter. keep doing what you're doing if you're adding weight over time.
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ok thanks so i stick to my normal routine ;)
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If you're white, you'd be better off ignoring your upper body...
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Ehm what ?:D
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Don't look at what NBA players are doing... Most of the time, they're training with different purposes than you are. They do a lot of injury prevention stuff and they stay away from "risky" stuff since they are million dollar athletes.
How much muscle mass is useful is a horrible question.. Depends on what your goals are as a basketball player, but for the most part, adding muscle mass will only help you as long as you're not trying to turn into the hulk. I can't possibly think of how added lean muscle won't benefit you. It will add weight, strength, power, speed...
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For basketball I would say being able to do 60 pushups, 30 dips, 20 full range pull ups would be more than enough strength for a basketball player, especially a non post player. All body weight, no complications, and can workout every day.. I mean for me looking back on it when I played ball I think bw exercises for upper body would've helped even better than weights in my opinion.
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If you're white, you'd be better off ignoring your upper body...
You were doing better for a while, training, and actually making decent posts. why are you acting like an idiot fuck again harvey?
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If you're white, you'd be better off ignoring your upper body...
You were doing better for a while, training, and actually making decent posts. why are you acting like an idiot fuck again harvey?
I'm trying to make a point. If you want to make it somewhere as a basketballer, your priority should be jumping above anything else physically.
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If you're white, you'd be better off ignoring your upper body...
You were doing better for a while, training, and actually making decent posts. why are you acting like an idiot fuck again harvey?
I'm trying to make a point. If you want to make it somewhere as a basketballer, your priority should be jumping above anything else physically.
So that when you start playing some high-level ball, you can jump for joy over 50 times without losing height because somebody who put in the work in the weightroom is boxing you out and bullying you in the low post? Lol.
You don't even play basketball, bro, you play volleyball, so let me tell you that basketball is a physical sport, man, your body and how compact and leanly muscled it is incredibly important. Not just jumping.
These dudes look tiny on TV, but if you go up to them in real life they're completely packed with muscle. Even someone like Stephen Curry is more muscled than you think he'd be.
As for OP, I'd say the routine is fine, just keep adding weight.
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To add to my post IMO the best upper body exercise with weights that helped me out the most for basketball was the push press, I was doing thibs hp mass for a couple months and when I was playing ball there was a definite notice in me driving and being physical. In every pick up game I was asked if I played football, and while playing I always heard comments like "yo he's strong as f***" when driving for layups and what not. but I agree basketball players need some muscle, but I think as long as you have your body weight mastered you'll have plenty of strength.
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If you're white, you'd be better off ignoring your upper body...
You were doing better for a while, training, and actually making decent posts. why are you acting like an idiot fuck again harvey?
I'm trying to make a point. If you want to make it somewhere as a basketballer, your priority should be jumping above anything else physically.
you are a fucking moron. if you want to make it somewhere as a basketball player, your priority should be BECOMING A GREAT FUCKING BASKETBALL PLAYER.
for fuck's sake, that's not a difficult concept.
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If you're white, you'd be better off ignoring your upper body...
What if you're black? Or asian?
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If you're white, you'd be better off ignoring your upper body...
You were doing better for a while, training, and actually making decent posts. why are you acting like an idiot fuck again harvey?
I'm trying to make a point. If you want to make it somewhere as a basketballer, your priority should be jumping above anything else physically.
you are a fucking moron. if you want to make it somewhere as a basketball player, your priority should be BECOMING A GREAT FUCKING BASKETBALL PLAYER.
for fuck's sake, that's not a difficult concept.
bullshit lbss, thats why all of the tfb dunk crew are making millions in the nba right now while that steve nash guy sits at home making youtube clips of his "fundamentals".
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oh, right, sorry lance. i forgot that golden child just signed with the Rockets for $25 million over four years.
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oh, right, sorry lance. i forgot that golden child just signed with the Rockets for $25 million over four years.
yep, they saw a youtube clip of his vert and put him on a plane the next day. Word is, they dont even make him go to practices as long he is somewhere working on his hops.
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25 mil over 4?
I formerly knew about 40 mil over 3... wtf...
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I play basketball and am probably way too bulky...so here are my 2 cents from the other side of the spectrum:
- Strong glutes and hamstrings I think are obviously necessary. I don't think an overly muscular lower body can hurt in basketball aside from making it difficult to go over screens.
- It's important to be able to drive to the hole, protect the ball, get hacked and maintain enough balance to put up a good shot and if necessary be able to instantly reposition yourself for an offensive rebound. For this, shoulder strength (being able to keep your arms going up for the shot despite their arms coming down on yours while filing or swiping for the ball) and forearm strength (so they can't strip it from you) are important as well as core strength so that you can maintain your upright position and square yourself decently when pushed, bumped, etc.
- As far as how much is too much, upper body wise, I'd say you've become large enough or possibly too large when it becomes difficult for you to easily split a double team.
- Not sure if it's a concern but I wouldn't worry too much about additional bulk hurting my vert progression. Realistically, unless you're 6'6+ and freakishly athletic you're never really going to be jumping over people in meaningful games against players at your skill level. Learning how to play smart, reduce ground contact time and being strong enough to absorb contact and remain in control is much more important IMO than adding a few inches to your vert if your goal is to do well at basketball and not just post dunks on youtube.
- I'm in the minority here but I think the broad jump (e.g. jump stops, playing the passing lanes) is of more benefit for basketball than the vertical.
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If you're white, you'd be better off ignoring your upper body...
You were doing better for a while, training, and actually making decent posts. why are you acting like an idiot fuck again harvey?
I'm trying to make a point. If you want to make it somewhere as a basketballer, your priority should be jumping above anything else physically.
So that when you start playing some high-level ball, you can jump for joy over 50 times without losing height because somebody who put in the work in the weightroom is boxing you out and bullying you in the low post? Lol.
You don't even play basketball, bro, you play volleyball, so let me tell you that basketball is a physical sport, man, your body and how compact and leanly muscled it is incredibly important. Not just jumping.
These dudes look tiny on TV, but if you go up to them in real life they're completely packed with muscle. Even someone like Stephen Curry is more muscled than you think he'd be.
As for OP, I'd say the routine is fine, just keep adding weight.
I have played basketball. At the national level too, might I add. The point I'm making is that the priority shouldn't be upper body. As important as it is.
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^Why do you think doing upper body twice a week for an hour is going to take away from anything?
You will never have too much "useful" muscle mass unless you take steroids. None of you will ever get to Lebron's level of muscle mass.
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Harvey, you don't know shit about anything. Stop answering people's questions on this forum. You've yet to post one good reply.
Played ball on the national level? STFU LOL, if you think jumping should be his number 1 priority as a basketball player, I'd doubt you ever even played JV ball
Who ever said the OP was prioritizing his upper body over his lower body?
And I'm sure you were joking, but if you weren't (I wouldn't be too surprised cuz you've proven many times to be stupid), wtf any of this have to do with him being White or any other race...
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Speaking of KD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8CkKe2fkVw
apparently at the 2007 draft he couldnt bench 185 and this is him benching 315 .. apparently
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This post is a joke. It all depends on the position you play, level of play, and type of player you are. SG's and PG's undersized need as much core strength and lower body strength as possible, like Isiah Thomas, nate robinson, ty lawson and dwade. PF's and Centers defintely need a lot of upperbody strength (as well as overall). And lanky players like Kevin Durant, Demar Derozan, Austin day, young kobe, etc shouldn't get very muscular bc they have height plus athleticism and use finesse and hang time.
god, after the first sentence, this post is breathtakingly dumb.
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This post is a joke. It all depends on the position you play, level of play, and type of player you are. SG's and PG's undersized need as much core strength and lower body strength as possible, like Isiah Thomas, nate robinson, ty lawson and dwade. PF's and Centers defintely need a lot of upperbody strength (as well as overall). And lanky players like Kevin Durant, Demar Derozan, Austin day, young kobe, etc shouldn't get very muscular bc they have height plus athleticism and use finesse and hang time.
Nate, Ty and Wade all have strong upper bodies. Coming out of college Nate benched 185 13x, Ty 14x, Wade 9x and all have gotten stronger as they've been in the league and matured.
PFs and Cs need strong lower bodies to hold their position in the post. Kevin Love is arguably the best PF in the league and a beast on the boards but look at how small his upper body is compared to Nate
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/4594357/20120706_gav_sv5_027_extra_large.jpg)
(http://msofficer.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/nate-robinson-no-shirt.jpg?w=240)
and Love's not an exception...Pau, Dirk, Tyson Chandler, Joakim Noah to name a few.
Your lanky player quote is misguided but I will agree that the more natural gifts a person has (height, athleticism, court vision, shooting) the less they will need to enhance their bodies in order to succeed. But it most definitely would not hurt them to do so and ironically, every player you listed but Kobe would agree that they need to add more muscle to their frame.
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315 is not that impressive. earl boykins benches 315.
As someone who actually knows how much work it takes to get to a 315 bench I can assure you that it is. Especially for a pro athlete who performs as much cardio on a daily basis as an NBA player and has a crazy travel schedule 8 months out of the year.
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Plus that bench press by Kevin looked damn easy!
That's right. Daaaaaaaamn easy I tell ya!
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Plus that bench press by Kevin looked damn easy!
That's right. Daaaaaaaamn easy I tell ya!
yeah, i find it unbelievable how every meathead on this forum thinks they are bball and sports specific experts. Learn to hit the rim on your layups first then chime in.
Yeah man, I know. They all talk shit. You should do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for your upperbody, if you train the legs with squats the HGH generated through squatting will help the upperbody grow. No need to burn yourself out with upperbody lifts!
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Nate robinson and kevin love pic is totally out of context, lol. I didnt say pf and c's don't need lower body strength, and that small guards don't need upper body.
So the Kevin Love pic is out of context when you say "PF's and Centers defintely need a lot of upperbody strength" ? OK.
315 is not that impressive. earl boykins benches 315.
As someone who actually knows how much work it takes to get to a 315 bench I can assure you that it is. Especially for a pro athlete who performs as much cardio on a daily basis as an NBA player and has a crazy travel schedule 8 months out of the year.
Also, you kidding me, that video is probably fake. No point with arguing with fools, people from a distance can't tell who is who, lol.
Theres no way that KD went from 185 to 315 in a 1 year, and still look like this with his lanky arms:
You're right about arguing with fools yet I keep getting sucked into it with you. Did I ever say that the KD video was legit? No, I said being able to bench 315 was impressive. Earl Boykins being able to bench 315 (which I HIGHLY doubt) at 135lbs would be damn impressive.
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So does everybody agree that KD benching 315 is probably fake?.... That was about to make me even more jealous of KD... Lol
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The funniest thing about this thread is hyperdunk doesn't realize Raptor is being sarcastic.
Hyperdunk thinks he's hot shit because he plays high school basketball. All of us "meatheads" did as well.
The durant video is a joke.
(http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/workoutp1.gif)
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second-funniest thing about this thread is that chrisbro is still engaging in a serious way.
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So does everybody agree that KD benching 315 is probably fake?.... That was about to make me even more jealous of KD... Lol
The Durant video is fake. It was part of some joke videos that they did a year or 2 ago with his alleged neighbor that never caught on.
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Plus that bench press by Kevin looked damn easy!
That's right. Daaaaaaaamn easy I tell ya!
yeah, i find it unbelievable how every meathead on this forum thinks they are bball and sports specific experts. Learn to hit the rim on your layups first then chime in.
and when you get payed 20 grand a semester to play somewhere in college, you can have a legit opinion.
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So does everybody agree that KD benching 315 is probably fake?.... That was about to make me even more jealous of KD... Lol
The Durant video is fake. It was part of some joke videos that they did a year or 2 ago with his alleged neighbor that never caught on.
Wait... so the Durant video was so well made that some people need other people to tell them it's fake or wtf? I can't remember a faker video in such an obvious way in quite some time... wtf?
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Plus that bench press by Kevin looked damn easy!
That's right. Daaaaaaaamn easy I tell ya!
yeah, i find it unbelievable how every meathead on this forum thinks they are bball and sports specific experts. Learn to hit the rim on your layups first then chime in.
Yeah man, I know. They all talk shit. You should do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for your upperbody, if you train the legs with squats the HGH generated through squatting will help the upperbody grow. No need to burn yourself out with upperbody lifts!
Yeah there's definitely some truth to this, and what D4 said. But at the professional level, strength does factor in a little bit more than pure athleticism compared to lower levels.
Guarantee all the poeple barking and flaming me and D4 have absolutely NO organized bball experience besides park district where there is no tryout.
LOLLLLL, it's funny cause you don't even know Raptor is being sarcastic. And no one's barking at me idiot. Only you.
It's also funny how you post a million new topics on this forum asking the most ridiculous questions that all blatantly show you don't know shit about training, and then you go around other topics acting like you're an expert, in which again you blatantly show you don't know shit about training. When I first joined this forum, I asked a million dumb questions too, and it's fine but I didn't act like some stubborn expert. I just learned.
You and Harvey go start your own forum.
Also, I hope no one was naive enough to think the Durant video was real lol. And Hyperdunk, 315 isn't that much? 315 is a lot. Just because Boykins at 140 can do it, doesn't mean Durant should be doing 600
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It was pretty well made... But when watching I was thinking that's not happening. But I'm sure he can actually bench 185 now
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Nobody thought the Durant video was real idiot. You're the only one who said "that video is probably fake" lol.
I sound like I'm mentally challenged? Nice one.
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Nobody thought the Durant video was real idiot. You're the only one who said "that video is probably fake" lol.
I sound like I'm mentally challenged? Nice one.
Nobody thought the durant video was real? Yet several people tried to make a point about it that lanky forwards also need upper body strength? Yet entropy posted it to try to disprove my post?
Entropy wrote "Speaking of KD" and then posted the video. I can really sense him trying to disprove your post with that statement.
And then he writes "apparently at the 2007 draft he couldnt bench 185 and this is him benching 315 .. apparently"... Hyperdunk, you're horrible at sensing sarcasm. The Raptor one was even worse lol.
Of course lanky forwards need upper body strength. EVERY BASKETBALL player needs upper body strength... No one was correlating that with the video idiot. Just stop it.
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Oh thats why you been acting cunty? I wasn't proving you wrong man, just already had that video open in my browser and embed it into the thread, nothing to do with you or your posts whatsover except the mention of KD.
on the topic of strength in basketball, im wondering about leverages in the post. Who has the advantage and who has the disadvantage and reasons why in the following situations:
Without Ball
1. Big defender fronting small offensive player
2. Small defender fronting a big offensive player
With Ball
3. Big offensive player backing down a small defensive player
4. Small offensive player backing down a big defender
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Agreed. Let's not argue anymore, you're an idiot and everyone knows it. Bye.
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Wait... so Durant's video wasn't real?!
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Oh thats why you been acting cunty? I wasn't proving you wrong man, just already had that video open in my browser and embed it into the thread, nothing to do with you or your posts whatsover except the mention of KD.
on the topic of strength in basketball, im wondering about leverages in the post. Who has the advantage and who has the disadvantage and reasons why in the following situations:
Without Ball
1. Big defender fronting small offensive player
2. Small defender fronting a big offensive player
With Ball
3. Big offensive player backing down a small defensive player
4. Small offensive player backing down a big defender
Depends on their athleticism and skill at reading those situations... and the passer, of course.
Big defender fronting a small offensive player is easy enough. As long as the BD puts a body on him without getting too unbalanced, his length should be enough to deny the pass.
If a small defender's fronting a big offensive player, and assuming the athleticism discrepancy isn't too much, all the BOP has to do is bump him a little during the pass and the small defender won't be in a proper position to deny the ball.
Big offensive player backing down a small defensive player oughta get the ball ten times out of ten, providing the passer isn't an ass and fucks up the entry pass. Then it's a matter of bumping the SDP out of position and then shooting.
The small offensive player backing down a big defender will probably have to rely on a face-up game, pump-fakes and the like to get past the big defender, or be straight-up more athletic.
tldr; Big player oughta win in all of them, providing the small player's leverages aren't otherworldly, like Rondo or something.
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And this thread, lol. What's even going on? P:
hyperdunk, bruh, you gotta learn to read sarcasm, lol. You were playing straight man for Raptor for two posts straight. That's gotta be a record or something. And just calling everyone a meathead that don't know how to ball? I realize you weren't directing it at the entirety of adarq.org, but let's be real. This is a tight-knit forum, man. We got what, twenty active journals, if that? Think about it. You might as well call out whoever you got a problem with.
Just chill a little.