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Re: 100m final london olympics 2012
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2012, 10:19:42 am »
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Yeah I've always liked Asafa and his running style. I really wanted him to sneak up and get bronze over Gatlin and Gay. Hopefully he can reload for the WCs next year, but I can't see him ever beating Bolt or Blake now. Blake is the only threat to Usain but he's still metres away from him when Bolt turns it on.

Blake would be able to beat bolt if he is able to improve on his pb time up to 9.6.



hahaha, what? if you mean this the way it came across, it's the dumbest tautology i've read all day. NEWSFLASH: IF YOHAN BLAKE BECOMES FASTER THAN USAIN BOLT, HE WILL BE ABLE TO BEAT HIM IN A RACE.

also, are you not aware that blake has beaten bolt twice this year?

i forgot to add  :P. Nevermind, He was able to beat bolt in the trials but has never beaten him in a major championship.
That's when it matters to him.

others he tries enough to qualify, he didn't really care.
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   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
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Re: 100m final london olympics 2012
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2012, 11:05:01 pm »
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Im not very sure but, from the vids it looks like gatlin and blake legs movement are faster than bolt; but Bolt being taller gets and advantage for all the steps he gives.

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Re: 100m final london olympics 2012
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2012, 07:35:46 am »
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I think Bolt also has to do less work considering that his strides are so much longer, so he does less strides per 100m than the others.

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Re: 100m final london olympics 2012
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2012, 11:48:33 am »
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Gatlin is my hero. Glad he got a medal.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: 100m final london olympics 2012
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2012, 12:12:41 pm »
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Gatlin is my hero. Glad he got a medal.

You mean Will Smith?

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Re: 100m final london olympics 2012
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2012, 11:30:52 pm »
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umm.. maybe..not very good with media-related jokes
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: 100m final london olympics 2012
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2012, 08:11:48 am »
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Com'on... Gatlin looks like a combination of Will Smith and Josh Smith

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Re: 100m final london olympics 2012
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2012, 09:59:20 am »
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Im not very sure but, from the vids it looks like gatlin and blake legs movement are faster than bolt; but Bolt being taller gets and advantage for all the steps he gives.

gatlin ran the 100 in 42.5 strides, 1.5 more than bolt, he was known for taking huge strides too
http://www.icharts.net/chartchannel/chart/2012/size-does-matter
- i hope that above link is true though, because I haven't been able to watch a high quality video and count the strides myself.


THis year as indoor champion in the 60, Gatlin did 6.46  it in 27.5, I think I've seen a video where he did 60 in 26, but I can't find it.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TrHCkEqfDI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TrHCkEqfDI</a>

However blake beat gatlin in 46 strides to his 42.5.

edit:
#Invalid YouTube Link#
yep 42.5ish strides for gatlin.
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"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: 100m final london olympics 2012
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2012, 10:02:06 am »
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Com'on... Gatlin looks like a combination of Will Smith and Josh Smith

Hmm, I didn't know who josh smith was but gatlin definitely looks like josh smith.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: 100m final london olympics 2012
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2012, 04:41:38 pm »
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The start line of the final race was filled with people who all had the capability of getting under 10s.

One person yohan blake who beat bolt in the trials, tyson gay and asafa powell, ryan "the giant" bailey (my nickname for him)
of usain bolt.

but what the outcome was, lets just say how could anyone have doubted this guy. but there was also drama at the end.
another injury brought the jamaican legend sprinter asafa powel out of medal places.

i feel sorry for the guy, he has never won an olympic medal.


Asafa has a gold medal from the 4x100 in 2008.

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Re: 100m final london olympics 2012
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2012, 05:00:46 pm »
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Im not very sure but, from the vids it looks like gatlin and blake legs movement are faster than bolt; but Bolt being taller gets and advantage for all the steps he gives.

This is one of the biggest misconceptions that's repeated over and over by the media as an attempt to somehow describe Bolt.  Yes, Bolt's strides are longer than the other athletes.  But his advantage in stride length is largely a result of his superior power that he applies to the track and not simply because he is taller.  Ryan Bailey is pretty tall as well... how come he doesn't have this advantage over Tyson Gay?  

Bolt's main advantage is his otherwordly top-end speed.  If you watch any major final (2008,2009 worlds, etc) you will notice that when the athletes hit max V (around 65-70m) Bolt seems to pull away from the entire field.  If it was simply larger steps as a result of being taller then he would maintain an incremental advantage after each step that would grow linearity throughout the race...  Instead Bolt is incredibly elastic and able to continue to apply force despite extremely small ground contact times and reach a just ridiculous speed that nobody else can match.  The next two guys who come closest to applying this force and hitting high max V are two of the shorter athletes (gay and blake [gay was injured but watch 2009]), the other tall athletes (Bailey, Powell actually have pretty poor max V).

Stride frequency (legs movement) really has little bearing on sprinting speed.  Obviously shorter guys will have to reposition their legs at a faster rate than tall guys when moving at the same speed... but most world class sprinters have stride frequency which isn't much better than an amateur runner.  A simple towing drill really proves this: attach a band to a  stretched resistance band to a low level athlete and pull them forward as they run and they will have a stride frequency much greater than that of any elite athlete.... The problem isn't that they can't reposition their legs fast enough it's that they can't create enough force to get them going fast enough to need to reposition their legs that fast!  


***Note, while the point of this post is that Bolt's advantage isn't stride length as a result of his height.... that's not to say that those extremely long lever arms don't help him generate force... Additionally, remember that this is true largely for the short distance sprints.  In the 400m and especially 800m where ground forces have to be limited to avoid fatigue, exaggerated stride lengths of taller runners may provide an advantage.

If you really interested heres a paper:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11053354

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Re: 100m final london olympics 2012
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2012, 06:02:49 am »
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The start line of the final race was filled with people who all had the capability of getting under 10s.

One person yohan blake who beat bolt in the trials, tyson gay and asafa powell, ryan "the giant" bailey (my nickname for him)
of usain bolt.

but what the outcome was, lets just say how could anyone have doubted this guy. but there was also drama at the end.
another injury brought the jamaican legend sprinter asafa powel out of medal places.

i feel sorry for the guy, he has never won an olympic medal.


Asafa has a gold medal from the 4x100 in 2008.

I was referring to the individual races
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
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�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

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http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/