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Dreyth

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How transferable are neural squat gains to the vertical jump?
« on: January 12, 2015, 01:35:27 pm »
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FWIW, my vertical has consistently increased with a higher corresponding relative squat. This includes even jumping off of one leg, though I don't do that as much anymore.

I'm wondering just how transferable neural gains in the squat are to the vertical jump, especially running ones. I jump off two feet.

I guess it all comes down to... what % of your neural gains are due to movement efficiency specific to the squat, and what % are to due to higher rate coding which (i assume) has extremely high carryover to the jump?

I know i could run a smolov jr cycle for like 5 weeks right now and put on maybe 50lbs on my squat, but just how much higher will I jump after that? I didn't do much jumping in those times where i was squatting 400's with ease so i'm not sure. i can't remember.
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Re: How transferable are neural squat gains to the vertical jump?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2015, 05:45:28 am »
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Totally broscience-based opinion:
I would guess that the less reactive you are, the more correlation your RVJ will have with your squat/bw ratio. Because a very reactive person will rely less on strength and vice versa. But now we have to define what a reactive person is, omg, i'm outta here!  :P
Also broscience, neural gains should be the same with 'real' gains. I don't care if it is the smolov routine, the spider in your shouler ( rip ) , an adrenaline injection or a pack of cocaine you inhaled that gives you the strength. Maybe it will go away soon if its neural or stim , but that given moment you are that strong and it should transfer to all activities related to that strength.
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Re: How transferable are neural squat gains to the vertical jump?
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2015, 10:08:09 am »
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Totally broscience-based opinion:
I would guess that the less reactive you are, the more correlation your RVJ will have with your squat/bw ratio. Because a very reactive person will rely less on strength and vice versa. But now we have to define what a reactive person is, omg, i'm outta here!  :P
Also broscience, neural gains should be the same with 'real' gains. I don't care if it is the smolov routine, the spider in your shouler ( rip ) , an adrenaline injection or a pack of cocaine you inhaled that gives you the strength. Maybe it will go away soon if its neural or stim , but that given moment you are that strong and it should transfer to all activities related to that strength.
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I definitely agree on the less reactive --> more correlation between strength and vertical part. makes sense.

And also starting to think that neural gains in the squat are highly transferrable to the vertical jump. Especially becase the more I think about it... the squat isn't so damn complicated that i can make SOOO many gains by improving my squatting efficiency. rather, the gains should be from an increase in rate coding and muscle fiber recruitment.
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Re: How transferable are neural squat gains to the vertical jump?
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2015, 12:18:34 pm »
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Totally broscience-based opinion:
I would guess that the less reactive you are, the more correlation your RVJ will have with your squat/bw ratio. Because a very reactive person will rely less on strength and vice versa. But now we have to define what a reactive person is, omg, i'm outta here!  :P
Also broscience, neural gains should be the same with 'real' gains. I don't care if it is the smolov routine, the spider in your shouler ( rip ) , an adrenaline injection or a pack of cocaine you inhaled that gives you the strength. Maybe it will go away soon if its neural or stim , but that given moment you are that strong and it should transfer to all activities related to that strength.
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I definitely agree on the less reactive --> more correlation between strength and vertical part. makes sense.

And also starting to think that neural gains in the squat are highly transferrable to the vertical jump. Especially becase the more I think about it... the squat isn't so damn complicated that i can make SOOO many gains by improving my squatting efficiency. rather, the gains should be from an increase in rate coding and muscle fiber recruitment.

bro, gains in efficiency IS increases in rate coding and muscle fiber recruitment, bro.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: How transferable are neural squat gains to the vertical jump?
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2015, 01:54:19 pm »
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^^ Could also be from neural pathways becoming more sensitive, aka movement efficiency in a motor skill. those pathways are not identical from the ones in jumping.

but i believe the bulk of neural gains are from rate coding so yes i believe its highly transferable.

also somebody else thought i looked like dom mazetti. wtf man. actually he thought i WAS him, but wasnt sure. came up to me and asked me "do you watch youtube?" and right away, after you guys said i looked like dom, i knew what he was referencing, bro.
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Re: How transferable are neural squat gains to the vertical jump?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2015, 01:57:07 pm »
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i find the most closely related lift to VJ to be the power clean

my squat can go up and my jump won't

but if my powerclean goes up my jump goes up pretty consistently alongside

which leaves me very excited to get back into jumping since my power clean has gone crazy since i last played ball.

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Re: How transferable are neural squat gains to the vertical jump?
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2015, 04:45:36 pm »
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i find the most closely related lift to VJ to be the power clean

my squat can go up and my jump won't

but if my powerclean goes up my jump goes up pretty consistently alongside

which leaves me very excited to get back into jumping since my power clean has gone crazy since i last played ball.

damn thats awesome. hopefully u hit some vert PR's. personally a higher squat:bw ratio has always correlated to a higher vert (standing and running) for me (provided my movement efficiency is there).
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