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Re: Plyos before strength training?
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2011, 10:06:45 pm »
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if you were going to overload the leg-ext-tke-iso, i'd do it in a leg extension eventually.. ankle weights could be a small build up. no-extra weight works fine though in terms of 'activation/firing patterns'.. like i said earlier, i personally would rep out with leg ext tke, and stay unloaded for the leg ext tke ISO.. that's personal preference AND how I think it should be done.. if you are going to add load to the leg ext tke ISO, i'd make sure you do the same for some kind of hip extension iso (iso extension stim style, or prone rev hyper etc)
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Re: Plyos before strength training?
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2011, 10:05:10 am »
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The static dynamic method applied literally is more for weighted lifts:  For example, before a maximum bench press unrack a 120% 1rm load and hold it at lockout for a few seconds.  Before a maximum hang clean or snatch take a heavy weight and do a set of shrugs. I always had my best snatch and cleans doing that by a wide margin, but it doesn't work for everyone.  It'll work for squats too but you gotta be careful because the weight on the full range set will feel extremely light and there's a natural tendency to lose tightness.

For dynamic bodyweight movements I'd use isolation exercises with relatively light weight  for very short periods just to get certain muscle groups fired up better. For sprints something like lightly loaded reverse hyper hold for 7-10 seconds or iso extension iso hold followed by a set of short sprints a few minutes later. Same for bodweight hip flexor holds.

  I got my hang clean up 45 lbs doing something very similar in college, I used a high pull from the hang with 50lbs of chains added, (have to hang the chains attached to collar so there is loading/deload throughout the whole rom and not by small chains).  I would do a set of 3 with the chains, rest 2 minutes, then take the chains off and hit pr after pr for a good period of time.  Ive noticed that this potentiation method works extremely well with more dynamic lifts, where the body has a limited amount of time to produce force.  Jump squats with band tension, then removing the band and repeating the set almost always gives a pr for everyone on the the tendo for height and speed.
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Re: Plyos before strength training?
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2011, 06:09:34 pm »
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The static dynamic method applied literally is more for weighted lifts:  For example, before a maximum bench press unrack a 120% 1rm load and hold it at lockout for a few seconds.  Before a maximum hang clean or snatch take a heavy weight and do a set of shrugs. I always had my best snatch and cleans doing that by a wide margin, but it doesn't work for everyone.  It'll work for squats too but you gotta be careful because the weight on the full range set will feel extremely light and there's a natural tendency to lose tightness.

For dynamic bodyweight movements I'd use isolation exercises with relatively light weight  for very short periods just to get certain muscle groups fired up better. For sprints something like lightly loaded reverse hyper hold for 7-10 seconds or iso extension iso hold followed by a set of short sprints a few minutes later. Same for bodweight hip flexor holds.

  I got my hang clean up 45 lbs doing something very similar in college, I used a high pull from the hang with 50lbs of chains added, (have to hang the chains attached to collar so there is loading/deload throughout the whole rom and not by small chains).  I would do a set of 3 with the chains, rest 2 minutes, then take the chains off and hit pr after pr for a good period of time.  Ive noticed that this potentiation method works extremely well with more dynamic lifts, where the body has a limited amount of time to produce force.  Jump squats with band tension, then removing the band and repeating the set almost always gives a pr for everyone on the the tendo for height and speed.

I will remember that snippet of information very well and try it when I need it. My powerclean could need 45 lbs for sure :)