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Performance Area => Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion => Topic started by: entropy on April 30, 2013, 02:36:15 am
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Take a good basketball guard and watch him move and you'll notice someone who moves fluidly with smooth acceleration. Is that quality trainable? Take someone who is naturally unathleletic or at best barely average, you can increase his strength and vertical jump. But is it possible to reduce the jerkiness and sluggishness in such a person's movement and make him more fluid? HOW?
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Yes, by increasing movement efficiency. To do that you need to practice those movements again and again until they become ingrained and you can move the way you say.
It's the same as dancing, pretty much. If you want to dance smoothly you NEED to dance. You can't just train with other stuff, you need to do that particular movement.
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Yes, by increasing movement efficiency. To do that you need to practice those movements again and again until they become ingrained and you can move the way you say.
It's the same as dancing, pretty much. If you want to dance smoothly you NEED to dance. You can't just train with other stuff, you need to do that particular movement.
skills need ultra high repetition. do it so much that your body begins to re-shape itself for that purpose.
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Yup, they determine neural plasticity and rewiring so... that's the idea. Obviously you want to perform the optimal movement patterns every time since you want the optimal moving patterns to occur without you thinking about it (and without developing bad habits).
That's why in jumping there is such a thing as submaximal jumping initially.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUHzgJxexcM
This is one of the greatest athletes ever and he looks clunky as hell in this 2013 Allstar game. So what you guys are saying is if he practiced playing basketball over and over, his movement would go from clunky and cumbersome to smooth and fluid? Yeah I can buy that. I suppose it would have to be a lot of practice, as in years and years of game time? You probably have to start real young too.
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Years and years is pushing it too far.
That fluidness you talk about is a function of strength, structure, posture and movement efficiency. You can affect strength, posture and movement efficiency, and you're left with your genetic predetermined structure. Improving 3 out of 4 will still get you far in that department of "fluidity".
It's also thought that these people have great core strength, but in reality they have great SYSTEMIC strength or OVERALL strength. It's similar with people with big upperbodies... some guys just say that big upperbody makes them jump higher "oh look at the guns on that guy" but in reality... it's just how they're genetically made up in their ENTIRE BODY (including legs).
At the other end of the spectrum there's the upperbody-obsessed bodybuilders which don't... well let's just say they don't move very well.
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Entropy, what youre talking about is really a very simple issue, youre looking at movement in one of if not the most complex sport from a human movement perspective on the planet. You can take athletes that are insanely fast, explosive, strong, whatever, and if they havent played an adequate amount of basketball, they will look silly when moving in bball situations and under those specific conditions.
If you take a good basketball player, and have him try and run a 100m sprint, he will again look awkward if hes not practiced in sprinting, especially when comparing him with good sprinters, and even though he will lose horribly, he wont look "as awkward" as the sprinter who never plays basketball does on the court. You can carry this to many other sports, the bball guys move "better" in most cases when taken out of their own environment, than most other types of athletes. This is strictly from a coordination, fluidity of movement criteria, and its easy to see why, there are so many different movements required in so many different directions, angles, and speeds in their home sport.
The game of basketball is in itself great coordination work for many different sports, its very possible to be a slow sprinter, non explosive leaper, and move very well on the court when practiced enough. There is so much going on from a footwork standpoint that it carries over to that aspect much more than the reverse is true, ie. football carrying over to bball. The easiest way to get more "fluid" and at ease with moving that way is to do those movements over and over. Drill the moves you want to work on in isolation, then practice them in pick up games until its second nature.
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This ^^^
Andre Miller might not be the most explosive guy in the world but he sure moves around the court pretty well.
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my favorite basketball example of fluid movement without explosiveness is z-bo. that dude is just fucking incredible to watch. he can barely dunk at 6-9 but he's an all-star.
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I was about to say about Z-Bo but... he isn't exactly "moving around gracefully" :D
He just has footwork in a 3 feet area or something.
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I was about to say about Z-Bo but... he isn't exactly "moving around gracefully" :D
He just has footwork in a 3 feet area or something.
haha good point. grace is not his calling card. dominating fools despite having the athleticism of a 45-year-old former D2 baseball player requires serious movement skills, though.
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Lance said it perfectly. Its repetition under pressure that makes a player smooth.
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So glad I made this thread now. My only regret is the insight from it came 2 years too late. I always thought those drills were a waste of time, easy workouts that people did because they were afraid to train hard. Will probably do drills every workout now. Any essential ones for basketball fluidity that are highly recommended? Thanks so much.
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Put in obstacles and pretend they are defenders and dribble around them using different moves (spins, behind the backs, crossovers etc).
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Something I do when I'm practicing is just to take the rock full court and imagine defenders checking me. One at backcourt, one at midcourt, and another at the three-point. It's good practice for the fastbreak, and also gives you sprint training and change of direction in there while you're at it.
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There are literally thousands of drills but the best advice I can give you is to train at GAME SPEED. Even if you're a bit out of control in the beginning its better to learn the movement patterns at speed than it is to master something at half speed then get in a game and mess up because you're unused to the pace.
Practicing what you will use in a game at game speeds will be more beneficial than any stationary drill ever.