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Performance Area => Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion => Topic started by: Raptor on December 03, 2010, 04:00:11 am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yha2XAc2qu8
He's soooo leaned forward in this movie. To me, that looks like incredible low bar strain tension. I probably do something similar when I low bar squat. I also have lower back problems recently.
Don't you guys think that's VERY bent forward and VERY dangerous for the lower back?
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i think Rippetoe-squats suck!
They guy in the video is quite flexible, so he doesnt have to round his back -> movement comes from the hip. But i think thats too much forward lean for a squat. Low bar placement = more forward lean to shift the bar back over the center of gravity...
I did them like that and it sucked. Now that i switched to closer stance and high bar placement i feel much more comfortable!
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I don't know how you guys squat narrow stance. If I were to squat narrow stance, 1/2 squat would be the lowest that I'd get until I would fall on my back so I'd have to compensate by leaning forward A LOT. The only way to squat narrow is if I lift my heels like a beauty queen.
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work on your mobility and flexibility! it takes some practice do go low with good technique...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46EDDftgFZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl53kPn_YXU
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I don't know how you guys squat narrow stance. If I were to squat narrow stance, 1/2 squat would be the lowest that I'd get until I would fall on my back so I'd have to compensate by leaning forward A LOT. The only way to squat narrow is if I lift my heels like a beauty queen.
So why don't you?
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Well I could but... it feels weird, I mean, to lift the heels just so I can squat narrower instead of squatting wider not to lift the heels.
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Well I could but... it feels weird, I mean, to lift the heels just so I can squat narrower instead of squatting wider not to lift the heels.
To clarify: I don't mean stand on your toes, I mean wear lifting shoes or put your feet up on 5# plates or something.
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The kid in the video is just learning and in an exaggerated position at the bottom, long torso and short legs- you can stay very upright and get deep, short torso and long legs- youre going to have to create some forward lean to get to the same depth. Trying to stay perfectly straight up and down and go deep for someone with a short torso/long leg body type is going to be murder on the knees.
You didnt look too far forward on your latest squats at all, it looked alot better than the previous high bar ones you posted, that squat is going to suit your body type much better and allow you to go deeper without killing your knees.
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The kid in the video is just learning and in an exaggerated position at the bottom, long torso and short legs- you can stay very upright and get deep, short torso and long legs- youre going to have to create some forward lean to get to the same depth. Trying to stay perfectly straight up and down and go deep for someone with a short torso/long leg body type is going to be murder on the knees.
You didnt look too far forward on your latest squats at all, it looked alot better than the previous high bar ones you posted, that squat is going to suit your body type much better and allow you to go deeper without killing your knees.
Well incidentally, I have lower back pain now, and I've had it two weeks ago as well, from the squats. And I feel like I'm bending forward a lot. Flip is doing the same as well, he's lucky he has the shoulder or whatever (pec) flexibility to get his palms over the bar and hold it as he's supposed to but other than that... he kind of bends a lot at the waist when doing the low bar squats.
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If youre feeling low back pain after squatting its likely youre not "tight" enough, regardless of the forward lean that will bother your low back. If you have access to some lifting shoes those would be a good investment, if not some 2&1/2 lb plates under the heels can help, but I would only do this with the lower bar position, with your knee history it may bother you with a higher bar position. Spread the chest HARD, push the knees out, that should help you keep the tightness throughout the lift.
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Yeah I think the biggest issue is mental focus... sometimes my mind just wanders around instead of focusing on the "hey, you have a heavy bar on your back" thing. Very dangerous and stupid. But ... it happens, I can't help it. Still, in my last squat workout I did squats with 110 and it went very well.
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Great man, I seriously have been hoping you can get around that shoulder/wrist issue somehow because you have a good fit now with your squatting if it werent for that one issue. Yea, that focus is hard to maintain sometimes, everybody does that from time to time, higher rep sets are especially hard to focus fully on throughout. gotta do it though ;D
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Yeah interestingly enough, with a heavier bar that's not the issue as much as it is with a lighter bar. A heavier bar kind of digs itself more into my upperback and delts, while a lighter bar I need to hold it more with my arms...
The bar still slowly slips on my back as my set goes on, so I hurry up on my set to finish it before the bar is too low and I need to drop it, which would basically mean I would be kicked out of the gym probably and that would be it.
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Being honest when hes squatting without the bar hes rounding his back out like crazy...
I know it's kinda hard to do that with a heavy bar on your back, your body kind of tells you not to...BUT...to me it looks like hes initiating some of the movement with his lower back....I saw this video before and though the same...
I'm all for squatting low and getting good hip drive...to met his form isn't good though...I don't think this dude is a beginner either..theres a good 100 kg on that bar from what I can see! Not a huge number but he is getting feedback as he lifts and talking to the coach..
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Being honest when hes squatting without the bar hes rounding his back out like crazy...
I know it's kinda hard to do that with a heavy bar on your back, your body kind of tells you not to...BUT...to me it looks like hes initiating some of the movement with his lower back....I saw this video before and though the same...
I'm all for squatting low and getting good hip drive...to met his form isn't good though...I don't think this dude is a beginner either..theres a good 100 kg on that bar from what I can see! Not a huge number but he is getting feedback as he lifts and talking to the coach..
I think that you are exaggerating the rounded back point a little. I agree that there is some spinal movement, that should not be there, but if you have coached some athletes this exercise you might have noticed that people respond better to a limited amount of information regarding what they should be concentrating at. I coached some people the squat and often times the rounded back issue goes away nearly from itself and with giving only very little cues. People who cannot hold their lower back tight when you let them crouch down suddenly do it with a bar on their backs once you figured out the correct stance and also how to involve the hips better.
People are often mistaken when they say they weren't flexible enough to do a below parallel squat. Mark Rippetoe found, and in this case I can agree from personal experience, that this is often a result of sub par technique, especially when preconceived notions exist about what constitutes "correct stance" and "correct back angle". Once you get people to get rid of those ideas, they usually can squat below parallel and with good lumbar posture as well. I have found this to be true for females and males alike and also for several athletic as well as completely unathletic people by the way.
Also regarding the video again, the guy is indeed a beginner and that is not 100 kg on the bar. Those are bumper plates and I would guess that the weight is between 40 and 60 kg.
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beginner with lifting shoes?
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My bad...i've never seen or heard of bumper plates before...and ya he does look like a beginner...
As for the rounding of the back...he is doing it and like I said it is instinctively kind of hard to round your back that much with a bar on your shoulders...but he is still doing it!
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beginner with lifting shoes?
I'm guessing Mark probably keeps a good selection of his custom Rogue shoes on hand.
My bad...i've never seen or heard of bumper plates before...and ya he does look like a beginner...
As for the rounding of the back...he is doing it and like I said it is instinctively kind of hard to round your back that much with a bar on your shoulders...but he is still doing it!
They're the plates used in olympic weightlifting. They have a very thick rubber section surrounding a metal core and can be dropped safely and repeatedly.
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beginner with lifting shoes?
I guess you will have a hard time lifting in his gym with bad shoes. I have seen him encourage rank novices in videos to get some good pair of lifting shoes right away. Makes sense to me.
My bad...i've never seen or heard of bumper plates before...and ya he does look like a beginner...
As for the rounding of the back...he is doing it and like I said it is instinctively kind of hard to round your back that much with a bar on your shoulders...but he is still doing it!
The rounded back thing will go away with some practice and a solidified technical execution. He is just learning the proper movement in this video. I have observed the same thing with actually the majority of the few people I coached the exercise to. Only few have good control over their lumbar spine initially. But this sorts itself out rather quickly once some key points of technique are learned and the focus can shift more to keeping everything tight around the torso. The guy in the video did not have that stuff down yet.