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Title: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: vag on September 23, 2010, 04:11:55 am

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/trainingweaknesses.html (http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/trainingweaknesses.html)

Awesome , one of his best articles in my humble opinion.
It also includes a god damn good template for intermediate trainees.

And finally 2 interesting pieces in that article:

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I go into great detail on this topic in the upcoming VJB 2.0, but...

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I plan to expand on this a GREAT deal in my upcoming Vertical Jump Bible 2.0 In the meantime however...

WTF , Vertical Jump Bible 2.0 !!!!!

:o    ;D    :P    :strong:    :highfive:    :headbang:
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: Raptor on September 23, 2010, 05:20:44 am
I'd buy Kelly's programs when he does them alone. When he "affiliates" with people like Maroko I won't even look (OK, I'll look but I won't buy).
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: adarqui on September 23, 2010, 05:42:56 am
gonna read it tomorrow, sounds interesting!@$
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: Raptor on September 23, 2010, 05:46:24 am
Yeah it is interesting.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: JackW on September 23, 2010, 09:29:44 am
I'd buy Kelly's programs when he does them alone. When he "affiliates" with people like Maroko I won't even look (OK, I'll look but I won't buy).

Agree whole heartedly Raptor
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: LBSS on September 23, 2010, 11:00:47 am
God damn it, now this article has me second-guessing my training plan again. I THINK TOO GOD DAMN MUCH ALREADY, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

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Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: vag on September 23, 2010, 11:21:50 am
God damn it, now this article has me second-guessing my training plan again. I THINK TOO GOD DAMN MUCH ALREADY, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!


LOL , i hear you.
Well , the ratio you designed for yourself is definately better.
Kelly gave out a long-term schedule transitioning in 5 phases , from GPP to peak. It is a god damn good program , but it is for everyone. Yours is 100% customised to your needs, starting from neutral and not GPP or hypertrophy etc.
Having said that , i was also very much tempted reading that template.
But my mind is already made up , ill complete my ratio , hopefully achieve significant gains in strength and work capacity and then i will do the high-freq template he gave in his previous article...
Hopefully he won't release VJB 2.0 by then otherwise our minds will toast!  :P
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: Raptor on September 23, 2010, 12:36:39 pm
How is your strength coming along vag?
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: vag on September 23, 2010, 02:04:21 pm
How is your strength coming along vag?

It started much worse than i thought for only 3 weeks of detraining but its going up fast and linear so far.
In 4x6 squat heaviest set is currently 231 , PR is 254
In MSEM squating PR is 3x297 , i hit 2x264.
And in BSS i already caught my PR hiting 8x198 last time.
Im treating my current phase as GPP/hypertrophy so i dont freak out about PRs etc , that's for later.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: Raptor on September 23, 2010, 02:53:03 pm
Damn, 8x90 kg in the BSS? Much further in front of me... and I'm a one-leg jumper.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: Royal on September 23, 2010, 07:39:52 pm
Sometimes I don't feel like buying Kelly Baggett's programs because everything he puts in his books are in his articles.
Solid info, it makes me feel skeptical if I'm ever going to get insane hops and speed. This basically seems like an extended version of what I read about in his No-Bull Speed Manual. 

i'm definitely that guy who has more strength than he has speed, it sucks, I wish I was the opposite :-[
plyos really do give you an insane boost in the beginning for people who are stronger than fast or at least for me.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: bball2020 on September 23, 2010, 10:47:47 pm
I like the 4 block basic routine, except it doesnt include any vertical jumps/running vertical jumps or sprints, which IMO are critical especially if your goal is VJ.

Wonder how hed tailor it to fit VJ?
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: TheSituation on September 23, 2010, 11:30:07 pm
Didn't everyone know this stuff already  :P


Seriously
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: LBSS on September 24, 2010, 09:25:08 am
JCsBck, two things.

First: The fundamental principles, sure, but Kelly does keep coming up with new and ever-clearer ways of describing those principles and finding nuance in them. But yeah, you're right, haha.

Second: Can you change your user title to "Adarq.org's Resident Guido"? For some reason that's so much funnier. To me, at least. Or maybe I'm just weird.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: Kellyb on October 31, 2010, 01:29:44 pm
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Sometimes I don't feel like buying Kelly Baggett's programs because everything he puts in his books are in his articles.
Solid info, it makes me feel skeptical if I'm ever going to get insane hops and speed. This basically seems like an extended version of what I read about in his No-Bull Speed Manual.
 

It is similar to a section in the No Bull Speed Development Manual, but that was written 4 years ago. :) Most of the specific info. in my books is not in my articles. A lot of the priciples are, but there are only so many of those.

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Well , the ratio you designed for yourself is definately better.
Kelly gave out a long-term schedule transitioning in 5 phases , from GPP to peak. It is a god damn good program , but it is for everyone. Yours is 100% customised to your needs, starting from neutral and not GPP or hypertrophy etc.
Having said that , i was also very much tempted reading that template.
But my mind is already made up , ill complete my ratio , hopefully achieve significant gains in strength and work capacity and then i will do the high-freq template he gave in his previous article...

Man I'd say stick with what you're doing. I really like what you do. If you were to consult me likely the only thing I might suggest thinking about from a VJ perspective is how much you really benefit from a distinct hypertrophy phase.  I'm not sure if it's the best thing in the world for you given your current size and qualities.



Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: Nightfly on October 31, 2010, 04:14:29 pm
Really great article, such a good read...
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: LBSS on October 31, 2010, 06:28:48 pm

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Well , the ratio you designed for yourself is definately better.
Kelly gave out a long-term schedule transitioning in 5 phases , from GPP to peak. It is a god damn good program , but it is for everyone. Yours is 100% customised to your needs, starting from neutral and not GPP or hypertrophy etc.
Having said that , i was also very much tempted reading that template.
But my mind is already made up , ill complete my ratio , hopefully achieve significant gains in strength and work capacity and then i will do the high-freq template he gave in his previous article...

Man I'd say stick with what you're doing. I really like what you do. If you were to consult me likely the only thing I might suggest thinking about from a VJ perspective is how much you really benefit from a distinct hypertrophy phase.  I'm not sure if it's the best thing in the world for you given your current size and qualities.

Was this addressed to my training or vag's?
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: vag on November 01, 2010, 06:44:26 am

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Well , the ratio you designed for yourself is definately better.
Kelly gave out a long-term schedule transitioning in 5 phases , from GPP to peak. It is a god damn good program , but it is for everyone. Yours is 100% customised to your needs, starting from neutral and not GPP or hypertrophy etc.
Having said that , i was also very much tempted reading that template.
But my mind is already made up , ill complete my ratio , hopefully achieve significant gains in strength and work capacity and then i will do the high-freq template he gave in his previous article...

Man I'd say stick with what you're doing. I really like what you do. If you were to consult me likely the only thing I might suggest thinking about from a VJ perspective is how much you really benefit from a distinct hypertrophy phase.  I'm not sure if it's the best thing in the world for you given your current size and qualities.

Was this addressed to my training or vag's?

Probably to mine because i had that "distinct hypertrophy" 1st phase , not 100% sure though.  :ninja:
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: Kellyb on November 01, 2010, 04:08:07 pm
Yeah Vag I was replying to you.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: vag on November 01, 2010, 04:33:00 pm
Yeah Vag I was replying to you.

Thanks for the advice Kelly.  :highfive:
This week's hypertrophy workout is the last of that kind , then there's one explosive and one MSEM workout and the hypertrophy phase ends after 3 cycles. In the coming hypertrophy transition phase i'll change the 4x6 squats to 5x5 and the 3x8 BSS to 3x5 paused.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: Raptor on November 01, 2010, 05:01:15 pm
Hypertrophy? What are you talking about? That's BAD! You only need strength. Or so they say... :ninja:
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: LBSS on November 01, 2010, 05:27:58 pm
Hypertrophy? What are you talking about? That's BAD! You only need strength. Or so they say... :ninja:

Didn't Kelly write an article called "The Myth of Relative Strength" or something like that? Bigger = stronger.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: Raptor on November 01, 2010, 05:42:27 pm
Yes he did.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: vag on November 02, 2010, 04:49:30 am
Hypertrophy? What are you talking about? That's BAD! You only need strength. Or so they say... :ninja:

Didn't Kelly write an article called "The Myth of Relative Strength" or something like that? Bigger = stronger.

Exactly , http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/relativestrengthmyth.html (http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/relativestrengthmyth.html)

Raptor , its not like im bodybuilding , the 1st phase was "hypertrophy-oriented" , serving more like a GPP role.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: scoobychau on July 23, 2012, 12:33:19 am
so at last
VJB 2.0 is finally out

and it is for those who registered in kellys emailing list.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: TheSituation on July 23, 2012, 02:31:46 am
So what?
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: AGC on July 23, 2012, 08:17:39 am
So what?

Gives Scoobychau something to do when he's finished BoingVert.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: Mikey on July 25, 2012, 01:00:58 pm
So what?

Gives Scoobychau something to do when he's finished BoingVert.

(http://i.imgur.com/0NZO4.gif)
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: pelham32 on August 01, 2012, 04:02:07 pm
I just got VJB 2.0 today, it's a 200 page manual. Even though I'm confident in my training I bought it for the information. It's a good read but some of it is from the recent articles from Kelly's website. I have lots of respect for Kelly and I think this book is worth the price.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: Raptor on August 01, 2012, 04:11:12 pm
 Yeah I'd buy it too, is it an ebook or a physical paper manual? If it's a paper manual I have no idea if it's being shipped here in Romania etc, that's my issue.
Title: Re: Latest Kelly Baggett's article including VJB 2.0 announcement!!!
Post by: pelham32 on August 01, 2012, 04:49:51 pm
It's a paper back book, 200 pages, Yeah I know shipping might kill you.