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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2011, 04:53:12 pm »
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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2011, 04:54:39 pm »
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Didn't you used to have Bruce Lee as your avatar?  Didn't Bruce Lee say "Never be satisfied"

You're basically saying, if you can dunk and ball, BE SATISFIED LOL


Adarq, you can already dunk, STOP SQUATTING lol...

You going off on completely different tangents man.

If Adarq wants to increase his vert, that's him, not NBA players that can already dunk & may not feel like the need to increase there verts.



michael jordan was never content.

if he could find a way to improve his athleticism even microscopically, he would do it.. same with kobe.. same with all of the "killers".

you are basically advocating that athletes should be content, which is polar opposite of being an athlete.


Exactly SickeninVendetta, I was trying to make a point saying NBA players can be so much more, but you're counter arguing against me saying "why should they be so much more, they can already dunk and ball"

I'm just going to assume you're trolling my ass off right now.  If so, good job, it was HILARIOUS (seriously)
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2011, 04:55:53 pm »
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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2011, 04:59:42 pm »
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Nice quote on ur sig adarq, anyways doesn't this thread deserve to get into the Topic Hall of Fame? 
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2011, 05:00:51 pm »
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michael jordan was never content.

if he could find a way to improve his athleticism even microscopically, he would do it.. same with kobe.. same with all of the "killers".

you are basically advocating that athletes should be content, which is polar opposite of being an athlete.

So tell me what the weight room/100lb squat increase would achieve?.

an increase in relative strength? the ability to produce/handle 100 lb more of tension? the ability to move previously intense weights at a faster speed due to the increase? the ability to voluntarily tap into more motor units? the possibility that significant hypertrophy has occurred? the transfer of this strength to jumping is very high considering the specificity of the exercise? the increases in testosterone/igf-1/hGH that has occurred during the process of such training, yielding plenty of benefits in not only the training itself, but the recovery process and overall arousal of the athlete for practices & sport?

now it's your turn to explain to me how "pulling back on the pedal stroke" somehow targets the hip flexors hard? because "pulling back" and "hip flexor" are polar opposites.

explain?

LMAO DYING.

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2011, 05:01:32 pm »
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btw, explain to me why "pulling back on the pedal stroke" would utilize the hip flexors as the prime movers?

doesn't make much sense.

You just have to try it man. It's the most intense hip flexor exercise there is.

you're gonna have one hell of a hangover tomorrow morn breh
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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2011, 05:03:43 pm »
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btw, explain to me why "pulling back on the pedal stroke" would utilize the hip flexors as the prime movers?

doesn't make much sense.

You just have to try it man. It's the most intense hip flexor exercise there is.

you're gonna have one hell of a hangover tomorrow morn breh

I just thought he might be trolling, never thought of the possibility he might be high or drunk right now.
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2011, 05:06:12 pm »
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an increase in relative strength? the ability to produce/handle 100 lb more of tension? the ability to move previously intense weights at a faster speed due to the increase? the ability to voluntarily tap into more motor units? the possibility that significant hypertrophy has occurred? the transfer of this strength to jumping is very high considering the specificity of the exercise? the increases in testosterone/igf-1/hGH that has occurred during the process of such training, yielding plenty of benefits in not only the training itself, but the recovery process and overall arousal of the athlete for practices & sport?

Can't really see how this would make a player all that much better?.

He can already play ball, run & dunk.  

He's already an accomplished athlete from what he's already doing.

I refuse to take that quote seriously anymore.  You know which quote.


He can already play ball, run & dunk. 

He's already an accomplished athlete from what he's already doing.
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2011, 05:10:04 pm »
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btw, explain to me why "pulling back on the pedal stroke" would utilize the hip flexors as the prime movers?

doesn't make much sense.

You just have to try it man. It's the most intense hip flexor exercise there is.

it's more intense than direct hip flexor training, which actually targets the hip flexors as prime movers?

sure you are hip flexing during cycling, but "pulling back on the pedal stroke" is mentioning something that is hamstring/glute dominant, not hip flexor... your hip flexors work in sprinting also, but they aren't the prime movers, they help assist the prime movers through the cross flexion/extension reflex, but they are not doing the mechanical work on the ground causing locomotion.

regardless, you're advocating an exercise that has 091204912% less transfer than squatting would be to improving basketball speed/quickness/vert.

since when do the hip flexors matter much anyway in basketball? it's a game of short acceleration, there's no MAX-VELOCITY, it's not like you're going to need maximal turnover speed over 10-20 yards... instead however, you will need to learn how to produce alot of force, fast, at the very early portions of acceleration, which is determined by knee extension & hip extension, as well as powerful thigh abduction/adduction for defensive slide movements..

very powerful/fast hip flexion is going to influence max velocity of a sprint, not movements in basketball.

ok you mentioned their are a zillion things you can do, name some more?

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2011, 05:10:28 pm »
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I just thought he might be trolling, never thought of the possibility he might be high or drunk right now.

You never pulled back on the pedal stroke.

How do you know it don't work?.

I never said it don't work.
I conclude. The weight room won't make him that much a better player.

He can already play ball, run & dunk.  :P

Weight room cannot make an NBA player that much better?  Gotcha
Tell that to Brandon Jennings and Kevin Durant so you can limit their potential.  Tell Dwight Howard his physical superiority over his counterparts did not come from his dedication to the weight room.

I know Dwight is naturally gifted, but he enhanced it by working in the weight room, because he didn't become complacent/satisfied, which lead to him being 3x defensive player of the year in a row.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2011, 05:18:01 pm by Ineedtodunk »
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2011, 05:13:40 pm »
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an increase in relative strength? the ability to produce/handle 100 lb more of tension? the ability to move previously intense weights at a faster speed due to the increase? the ability to voluntarily tap into more motor units? the possibility that significant hypertrophy has occurred? the transfer of this strength to jumping is very high considering the specificity of the exercise? the increases in testosterone/igf-1/hGH that has occurred during the process of such training, yielding plenty of benefits in not only the training itself, but the recovery process and overall arousal of the athlete for practices & sport?

Can't really see how this would make a player all that much better?.

everything i mentioned above relates to producing more force relative to ones bodyweight, which means more power, which means better first step quickness, acceleration, jumping ability, change of direction, etc.

i explained to you how it would, now you explain to me how it won't? explain to me how adding 100 lb to ones squat would not benefit them athletically, given bodyweight & rep speed remains relatively the same.




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He can already play ball, run & dunk.  

cool story.



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He's already an accomplished athlete from what he's already doing.

yet another cool story.

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2011, 05:21:00 pm »
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very powerful/fast hip flexion is going to influence max velocity of a sprint, not movements in basketball.

ok you mentioned their are a zillion things you can do, name some more?

pc


Ah man.

When you push forwards your working the mainly the glutes/quads.

Pulling back hits your hip flexors. Like I said man, you need to go out & train it.

Never felt any soreness in my hip flexors from squatting, nor did they make them very powerful. Anyone who cycles & pulls back on the pedal stroke will seriously increase there first step explosion.

There is no point me naming anymore, you shoot everything down. You HAVE to do the exercise( s) man. THEN shoot it down if it don't work.


why are hip flexors important for basketball performance?

no one said squatting should target your hip flexors.

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2011, 05:26:02 pm »
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everything i mentioned above relates to producing more force relative to ones bodyweight, which means more power, which means better first step quickness, acceleration, jumping ability, change of direction, etc.

i explained to you how it would, now you explain to me how it won't? explain to me how adding 100 lb to ones squat would not benefit them athletically, given bodyweight & rep speed remains relatively the same.

But realistically I can't see how much an elite NBA player would gain by adding 100lbs to his squat considering since he can already play ball, run & dunk to a high enough standard which already possesses.  


Even if it gave the elite NBA player a marginal improvement in athleticism, I believe he should do it.  If he's a real competitor he would.

So realistically, you can't how an NBA player who by adding 100 lbs to his squat, can't get better, when it will make him quicker, faster, stronger, jump higher? 
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2011, 05:27:57 pm »
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everything i mentioned above relates to producing more force relative to ones bodyweight, which means more power, which means better first step quickness, acceleration, jumping ability, change of direction, etc.

i explained to you how it would, now you explain to me how it won't? explain to me how adding 100 lb to ones squat would not benefit them athletically, given bodyweight & rep speed remains relatively the same.

But realistically I can't see how much an elite NBA player would gain by adding 100lbs to his squat considering since he can already play ball, run & dunk to a high enough standard which already possesses.  


elite basketball doesn't imply elite athlete....

so tony parker wouldn't benefit from increasing his squat 100 lb?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRwzNubPUc0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRwzNubPUc0</a>

he's obviously not accomplished then, he can't dunk.. even tho he got rings.



what about this guy?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMmDh4nVJ7Y" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMmDh4nVJ7Y</a>

he can actually dunk though, just had a bad jump, he's more accomplished than tony parker.




would increasing ones squat 100 lb yield to any improvements in athleticism? if no, why not?




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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2011, 05:28:42 pm »
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very powerful/fast hip flexion is going to influence max velocity of a sprint, not movements in basketball.

ok you mentioned their are a zillion things you can do, name some more?

pc


Never felt any soreness in my hip flexors from squatting



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