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I am going kamikaze in this.....
« on: September 07, 2017, 08:29:57 pm »
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Since i have a hip groin issue thag acts up only during hard cuts, jumps, and lateral movements.

I plan on just squat and deadlift until i reach 425 full squat regularly or until injury.

Will not stop until 425 or injury.

Please object or root for my quads/posterior chain, ty

edit- going to just lift as hard as I can Squat and Deadlift until I reach 425 full squat. Will not rest much in between. Will not care if I get injury or not. Invested too much into this now.....

« Last Edit: September 08, 2017, 02:58:10 am by fast does lie »
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Goal: Maintain 385-405lb squat while cutting down to 165 LB

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Re: I am going kamikaze in this.....
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2017, 03:51:38 am »
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My guess is I've invested the equivalence of $30,000 in equipment and time last 6 months trying to see what my full athletic potential actually is. I have good technique on jump and good brain for it, imo, and that right there is some confidence.

I just turned 33 now, no joke, time is not on my side.

This is my Mt Everest. I have never been sub 15% bf since 16 yrs old

Maybe I need to take some kind of growth hormone to offset my age, to really see what my true athletic potential is had I been training at 22 yrs old .....
« Last Edit: September 08, 2017, 03:53:47 am by fast does lie »
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Re: I am going kamikaze in this.....
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2017, 06:28:03 am »
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you need to lose some fat. doesn't cost $30,000, does cost a lot of willpower. will be more effective at boosting your athleticism than any equipment or most training, really.
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Re: I am going kamikaze in this.....
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2017, 06:41:07 am »
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It also brings your hormonal profile closer to an athletic one.
Making a new strength setpoint of 75/100/150 on OHP/BP/BS.

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Re: I am going kamikaze in this.....
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2017, 03:42:41 pm »
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My guess is I've invested the equivalence of $30,000 in equipment and time last 6 months trying to see what my full athletic potential actually is. I have good technique on jump and good brain for it, imo, and that right there is some confidence.

I just turned 33 now, no joke, time is not on my side.

This is my Mt Everest. I have never been sub 15% bf since 16 yrs old

Maybe I need to take some kind of growth hormone to offset my age, to really see what my true athletic potential is had I been training at 22 yrs old .....

I agree with maxent & LBSS.



pharmaceutical cheat codes are dangerous. if you're even considering that, at this stage, i'd say you've definitely stumbled on to the "wrong track".

if you were already in "peak athletic condition", and were contemplating PED's/pharma to push yourself past your limits, that would be more understandable. That's when you contemplate something like that (if you aren't anti PED), not when you can make tons of gains the simple way.

losing fat is easier, the more you have.

gaining muscle is easier, the less you have.

improving fitness, is easier the less you have.

improving vert & speed, is easier the more detrained you are.

you have most of those things in your favor right now .. focus on the basics & make progress. People look towards everything but the basics, when trying to make progress. It's really incredible when you think about it. I'm on another forum where there's tons of "bodybuilder" types, and it's incredible how much sh*t people consider without first considering proper training. They are interested in all kinds of pharma when simple cardio or high frequency lifting in comnination with a proper diet, would do the job. It's mind blowing to me.

I personally would never take anything that risks my health or threatens to shorten life span, just to gain muscle, lose fat, or improve performance. To me, that is "disordered". It's interesting to me that the "substance abuse bodybuilding" crowd is not considered disordered - I think because it's such a huge money making market. Here, people are shortening their life spans by many years, dealing with all kinds of adverse health effects, taking all kinds of crazy chemical concoctions, just to change their appearance. Most of these people utilize this stuff way too early - hard training & proper diet would have given them the same & better results. It's incredible how many people fall for this pharma garbage IMHO. I mean to each their own, but, I personally respect natural bodybuilders & such who achieve their physics by just eating clean, lifting hard, and staying healthy. Somewhat of a rant, but, I just feel like resorting to things like TRT/hGH & such is usually considered way too early, which sounds all kinds of alarms to me.

Same thing goes for the performance crowd. You just have to be so careful. What if taking steroids/hgh caused you to really grow fast, but your tendons lagged behind & you end up wrecking one? That's the age old story about PED use and performance: muscles grow fast, tendons/ligaments don't .. injury risk sky rockets. So that's a major concern, among many others.

Also, "will not stop until 425 or injury" sounds self destructive. That was basically my advice/warning to you in your journal, I can see you doing stuff like this. Everyone on here admires determination, but if determination is really kamikaze self destruction, it's not determination. It's hard to snap out of this mindset, so not sure how to convince you to be more patient and/or work on weaknesses while dealing with your current injury. I mean in the end that's your decision. But, I guess I also speak with alot of experience in that department, so it's easier for me to recognize when people are going down that path.

One thing I think more people need to realize is, the "want it now motivation" is *usually* a recipe used by those who are unsuccessful. These are usually the people who want to transform themselves at some point, but are just so impatient, they want to achieve it as soon as possible. The flip side is the elite/pro/dedicated athlete who seems to understand it's a very slow grind that will take many years of extremely hard, focused, dedicated training.

beyond that, health #1

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Re: I am going kamikaze in this.....
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2017, 09:15:26 pm »
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Sorry: did not mean to annoy people with this post.... because: My hip/groin issue keeps acting up during my main source of cardio/plyos: bball high intensity training. And I had some free time.

LBSS: yeah losing fat will inevitably happen imo, I'm trying to make my strength, flexibility, knowledge, top notch as I'm losing the fat.

Adarq: No I am not contemplating using drugs; it was just kind of a hypothetical statement wondering IF using growth hormone NOW would be a simulation of say had I started training at age 22..... like IF using drugs now would be equivalence of training at age 22.....

The reason i come off as having the "I want it now" mentality is because I just turned 33, and I'm working against father time a little bit....
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Re: I am going kamikaze in this.....
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2017, 04:16:00 pm »
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It also brings your hormonal profile closer to an athletic one.

Oh yeah losing fat increases good hormone levels right?

I keep not be able to lose fat because i get scared of losing strength. Cause seems like strength is so important..... like kingfish doing a 2 handed dunk from standstill lol at 5'10 thats fuckin impressive man.......
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Re: I am going kamikaze in this.....
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2017, 05:48:13 pm »
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It also brings your hormonal profile closer to an athletic one.

Oh yeah losing fat increases good hormone levels right?

I keep not be able to lose fat because i get scared of losing strength. Cause seems like strength is so important..... like kingfish doing a 2 handed dunk from standstill lol at 5'10 thats fuckin impressive man.......

what was kingfish's body fat % when he did that? I never recall him having too much fat on him .. also, losing too much fat can actually be bad for hormone levels, but that's in the <= 5% range I imagine.. a safe body fat % for pretty much any male is 8-10%. Getting too low can be a problem, but, if you have to worry about that problem you're probably in a good spot or have an eating disorder etc. So don't worry about anything until you hit 10% for example.

also, lots of strength loss while losing fat, is temporary. If you lose a considerable amount of muscle, then ya it's real. If you're losing fat slowly while performing maintenance lifting (~3 x ~10-12) to maintain muscle mass, strength comes back fast when you start fueling up again. Also, you could always just refuel once in a while to have a really good strength workout.

there's a bunch of trade offs that one must weigh & choose between. All I know, from experience, is once I get lean, I can regain strength fast .. and I don't really lose too much strength anyway as im getting lean, because I do it over such a long period of time.

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Re: I am going kamikaze in this.....
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2017, 06:08:03 pm »
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Yeah you're totally right. I need to start walk the walk and start shedding the fat and pounds and start to make an effort to eat less and more clean.....

But honestly, like right now, I just trained in the morning for 2.5 hrs, than went to play bball for another 1 hour (tried to do all the intangibles and let the in shape guards do their thing) .... so now im finally relaxed ready to call it a day......

And I really don't feel like eating clean, i want to just max out on some comfort food like chicken pot pie, potatoes and a whoel bunch of tasty meats like meatloaf, burger, wings, ribs, steaks, alfredo etc

and get nice long sleep to train again tomorrow...... just hard to lose fat for me..... i could literally eat a 5000 kcal meal right now, not even joking lol.....
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2017, 04:35:06 am »
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Dude,

I'm 36. Still jumping as high as when I was 25. Only difference is that I'm a lot heavier, and need to drop a lot of fat (I was heavy squatting in the Rippetoe era). Don't worry about age. Keep training, but don't force it, it will only lead to injury, I've been down that road. As long as you keep training, vert will improve. But take your time!

Also, in my humble opinion, full squatting isn't the only way to jump really high. There are tons of other exercises to achieve the same.

Keep it up

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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2017, 05:38:23 am »
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Dude,

I'm 36. Still jumping as high as when I was 25. Only difference is that I'm a lot heavier, and need to drop a lot of fat (I was heavy squatting in the Rippetoe era). Don't worry about age. Keep training, but don't force it, it will only lead to injury, I've been down that road. As long as you keep training, vert will improve. But take your time!

Also, in my humble opinion, full squatting isn't the only way to jump really high. There are tons of other exercises to achieve the same.

Keep it up

Thanks, what are the tons of other exercises.... I know stuff like boingvert and air alert are pretty bad and unscientific.

Edit- why i even ask that question..... forgot about this site: https://www.just-fly-sports.com/
« Last Edit: September 13, 2017, 05:43:40 am by fast does lie »
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2017, 06:02:58 am »
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Thanks for the care, support, and input from everyone.....

Part of this post was just me steaming about not being able to keep up with some of the just out of college young bball players at 22-25 yrs old, who never lift, eat like crap, smoking and drinking now, and still flying.

I keep forgetting I have tons of improvement and gains to make, since I am so fat and heavy, so no wonder I'm going to be sore everyday and feel slow.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2017, 06:10:15 am »
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As much as I agree with arnoud there are tons of workout, but as I adarq said in the sprint thread that simplicity is key, all you need are the basic strength workouts to develop strength, then power workouts to transfer that strength to power by doing plyometric or explosive workouts. But avoid being creative and doing any fancy workouts.
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2017, 06:28:41 am »
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As much as I agree with arnoud there are tons of workout, but as I adarq said in the sprint thread that simplicity is key, all you need are the basic strength workouts to develop strength, then power workouts to transfer that strength to power by doing plyometric or explosive workouts. But avoid being creative and doing any fancy workouts.

Hmmm interesting, Joel Smith does come up with many fancy workouts .....
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2017, 07:20:40 am »
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As much as I agree with arnoud there are tons of workout, but as I adarq said in the sprint thread that simplicity is key, all you need are the basic strength workouts to develop strength, then power workouts to transfer that strength to power by doing plyometric or explosive workouts. But avoid being creative and doing any fancy workouts.

Hmmm interesting, Joel Smith does come up with many fancy workouts .....

Fancy workouts are good too when you need them. You almost certainly don't need them yet, though.
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