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Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« on: July 09, 2010, 07:04:57 pm »
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Could everyone post there own difference between there Running vertical and Standing vertical, I would like to compare and see with other people on this forum and please state your rvj prefernce (SL or DL)............i'll go first...

RVJ (SL or DL)= 37-38 (pr)   35-36 (avg)
SVJ= 32-33 (pr)   30-31 (avg)


p.s this was moved from my journal because i didnt want it to be real long as vag so kindly pointed out..........
 


Current highest touch = 11'4" (37"-38")
Squat = 140kg x5
             160KgX1
Weight = 97kg
Height = 6'3"
Reach = 8'2"-8'3"

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2010, 07:41:39 pm »
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nice thread!


currently:

SVJ on rim - ~27
RVJ on rim - ~32
RVJ on lob - ~35


a year ago:
SVJ on rim - ~28
RVJ on rim - ~36
RVJ on lob - ~39

peace mang

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2010, 08:00:37 pm »
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svj= ~22 avg but never practice these  pr=25
rvj= 35 sl
« Last Edit: July 19, 2010, 01:03:09 pm by zginphil »
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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2010, 06:22:57 am »
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SVJ : 28'' to 28,5''
SLRVJ : 29'' to 30''
DLRVJ on rim : 32,5'' to 33''
DLRVJ on lobs : ~34''
« Last Edit: July 11, 2010, 09:10:49 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2010, 08:06:40 am »
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Right now:

SVJ: 31"
RVJ (only 1-2 steps, so not a real RVJ): 31"

4 months ago:

SVJ: No real data available, but I would make an educated guess that I hit 32" occasionally
RVJ (again from drop-step): 36"

EDIT: All double legged of course.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2010, 08:25:50 am by steven-miller »

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2010, 08:22:15 am »
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SVJ: ~29"
RVJ: ~33" (DL)

Always been a 4" difference.

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2010, 02:43:31 pm »
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SVJ: around 24"
RVJ: around 33-34"

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2010, 07:47:24 am »
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SVJ I can touch a 10' rim now.  So I think I'm at 29.5".  My RVJ is only about 3" better at most.  Does that mean I have decent strength base and that I need to work on my jumping techniques more?
current stats: age: 42 :: 5'11" (180cm) :: 180lbs (82kg) bf ~30% :: reach: 90" or 7'6" (230cm) :: wing span: 6" (183cm)
12 week goal(current): SQ 115kg(100), DL 130kg(110), BP 80kg(70), reduce weight to 75kg (165 lbs) and bf to ~25%
status: excellent cardio condition, new 5x5 program, 10' rim touch okay, RVJ ~30"
PR RVJ ~34" 10'5" touch @ age ~25 (worst was ~6" below rim when i was @ 190 lbs ~35% body fat ~23" RVJ in 2007-8

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2010, 09:42:54 am »
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SVJ I can touch a 10' rim now.  So I think I'm at 29.5".  My RVJ is only about 3" better at most.  Does that mean I have decent strength base and that I need to work on my jumping techniques more?

You can do different things with similar longterm outcomes. Even if you could profit from more power and reactivity training right now, you could also benefit from an increase in max strength because it will make a power block somewhere down the road more productive. It depends on many external factors, for example whether or not you are training for a competition or just for fun, whether you are in-season or off-season and similar considerations.
One thing I do believe is that it makes sense to utilize the novice phase for strength increases to its maximum potential with a rather heavy focus on maximal strength and some power work in form of powercleans and also powersnatches.

I don't believe that one can generally infer from the RVJ - SVJ - difference to a valid indication of training means without further information about individual variables that have an influence on this difference. For further information on this you should check out Kelly Bagget's website and articles.

In any instance, usually working on jumping technique is not the answer - unless it is really horrible, which in fact I have been able to observe rather often in volleyball players, like using no arm swing, really uncoordinated approach, bad plant etc. Don't know if that is the case for you though, it's not like a 33" RVJ is terribly bad.

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2010, 10:21:32 am »
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Great post steven-miller!!!

On the same topic , quoting from Kelly Baggett's article http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/plyomyths.html:

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Myth #2 - Plyometric action is a highly trainable quality
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How much additional force you get from a "plyometric" movement is mostly genetic and unique to you as an individual. True plyometric ability isn't something you can really impact through training to a large extent. In fact, it's likely to get less as you grow as an athlete even as you progress as an athlete. HUH!? Before everybody goes off the deep end with that statement let me explain:

Let's say your standing stationary vertical jump is currently 20 inches and your 3 step countermovement vert is 26 inches

That basically means you're getting 6 additional inches from plyometric action.

What I'm saying is you're unlikely to ever see that difference grow much. It can (and usually does) get smaller, but it rarely grows much, even as your overall performance gets better. The general trend in any developing athlete is to get more proficient at exerting force under smaller windows of opportunity so he finds over time he doesn't need as much wind-up to generate the same amount of power. This is even true for people like high jumpers, who seek to benefit as much as possible from plyometric action.

In sticking with this same hypothetical example, lets say you improve your stationary jump from 20 up to 35 inches. You're still unlikely to find more than a 6 inch difference in your running countermovement jump (41 inches), regardless of what type of training you did to get there. Generally speaking, the longer your limbs and legs (particularly lower legs), the greater you'll benefit from plyometric wind-up. The shorter your legs, the more likely you are to jump just as high or move just as well from a virtual standstill.

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2010, 10:55:44 pm »
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RVJ: 29 inch PR; 27 inch Average now
SVJ: 27.5 inch PR; 24 - 26 inch Average now

At one point in my life, my SVJ was a lot higher than my RVJ.
Lazy kid. Doesn't take training as extreme/serious as most of adarq.org

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2010, 12:45:48 am »
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personally i feel i ought to be able to notably improve my RVJ just by practicing jumping more.  time to do a lot tuck jumps, depth jumps and single leg jumps and side hops.  :-)  jumping is one area i don't utilize that much because i have all sorts of tricks in my bag to create shots for myself...  time to focus more on jumping though!
« Last Edit: November 16, 2010, 12:59:02 am by ghettoracer »
current stats: age: 42 :: 5'11" (180cm) :: 180lbs (82kg) bf ~30% :: reach: 90" or 7'6" (230cm) :: wing span: 6" (183cm)
12 week goal(current): SQ 115kg(100), DL 130kg(110), BP 80kg(70), reduce weight to 75kg (165 lbs) and bf to ~25%
status: excellent cardio condition, new 5x5 program, 10' rim touch okay, RVJ ~30"
PR RVJ ~34" 10'5" touch @ age ~25 (worst was ~6" below rim when i was @ 190 lbs ~35% body fat ~23" RVJ in 2007-8

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2010, 12:58:12 am »
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28 SVJ (right below rim id say)

32 running 


ball park ranges

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2010, 03:42:16 pm »
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personally i feel i ought to be able to notably improve my RVJ just by practicing jumping more.  time to do a lot tuck jumps, depth jumps and single leg jumps and side hops.  :-)  jumping is one area i don't utilize that much because i have all sorts of tricks in my bag to create shots for myself...  time to focus more on jumping though!


if you do depth jumps, make sure you start out low, 12-18" box, positioning/timing has to be very good.. starting off on a box too high could leave you with knee aches/shin issues..

i'd hold off on depth jumps until you get some nice work in on the tuck jumps, single leg jumps, and "side hops", what's side hops, lateral barrier jumps? rfi?

you can always do reactive work submax, just to get a stimulus in, but the emphasis when 'fresh' and prepared is to get as high as possible while staying on the ground as little as possible, that thought process should be "rehearsed" before each set etc.. saying it in your head really does effect how the exercise is performed..

but ya, don't go "as high as possible while staying on the ground as little as possible" if you're not prepared, it's pretty intense on the tendons, so ease into it.

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Re: Post your own RVJ to SVJ deficit
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2010, 05:28:35 pm »
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thanks for the tips adarq.  how frequent should i do these?  how much volume per session?  start fresh so right after i fully warm up with dynamic stretching on gym sessions?  i suppose it'll be ok to do them before bball too right?  thanks!!

also, will it matter much to do them with shoes or not?  i'm leaving for China and Philippines in 2 days.  might not have access to gym at times and i'm thinking about try to get a bit of jumping in instead.  base on my previous China trip experience, most hotels do not have gym at all!
« Last Edit: November 16, 2010, 05:32:40 pm by ghettoracer »
current stats: age: 42 :: 5'11" (180cm) :: 180lbs (82kg) bf ~30% :: reach: 90" or 7'6" (230cm) :: wing span: 6" (183cm)
12 week goal(current): SQ 115kg(100), DL 130kg(110), BP 80kg(70), reduce weight to 75kg (165 lbs) and bf to ~25%
status: excellent cardio condition, new 5x5 program, 10' rim touch okay, RVJ ~30"
PR RVJ ~34" 10'5" touch @ age ~25 (worst was ~6" below rim when i was @ 190 lbs ~35% body fat ~23" RVJ in 2007-8