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Performance Area => Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion => Topic started by: Joe on August 18, 2010, 06:38:43 pm

Title: Squat Form Critique
Post by: Joe on August 18, 2010, 06:38:43 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UETaxPpgGmI

110kg/242.5lbs x 5

Any criticisms?

(The exclamation at the end is not me, house guest decided it was necessary to see what I was up to in the gym)
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: LBSS on August 18, 2010, 06:49:18 pm
Would help to have a 3/4 angle (can't really see how stable your knees are there). They look fine from that angle, though. On the last one you started to shoot your hips before your chest, but only a little bit. Just think about driving your chest up.

Not parallel, if you're into that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: Joe on August 18, 2010, 07:00:32 pm
Would help to have a 3/4 angle (can't really see how stable your knees are there). They look fine from that angle, though. On the last one you started to shoot your hips before your chest, but only a little bit. Just think about driving your chest up.

Not parallel, if you're into that kind of thing.

I cannot film from a 3/4 angle, that column is in the way.

When am I above parallel?
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: LBSS on August 18, 2010, 08:54:38 pm
I cannot film from a 3/4 angle, that column is in the way.

Word, so it goes.

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When am I above parallel?

Um, the whole time?
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: vag on August 19, 2010, 04:40:34 am
Duh , i commented on your form in your log , then saw this!  ::)

I really like the form , and from what i saw in your log it was your heaviest set too , so even harder to have that form , 'mad props'! :D

When am I above parallel?

Um, the whole time?

I disagree!
Rep 1 = parallel
Rep 2-3-4-5 = ~1'' below parallel

Well obviously we are using different lines to judge the depth. I like using the top of the leg line , what do you use?

(http://www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/06/novice/squatc.jpg)

Found this image with a quick search , he is using a different line , with my 'line' this would be ~1'' below parallel , i think that's joe's depth too...
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: adarqui on August 19, 2010, 05:12:01 am
i was gonna put QUARTER SQUAT! on it, but im too tired... ;<

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2lnwz8l.png)
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: n00bEM on August 20, 2010, 07:54:16 pm
I disagree with LBSS too. You're hitting parallel man.
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: Flander on August 23, 2010, 05:45:27 am
Form looks solid from that angle mang.

And I think your just breaking parallel.
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: AlexV on August 23, 2010, 03:13:44 pm
Depth is fine.  Although I don't really care about depth unless you are an oly lifter or pler.  Hips and legs seem fine.

You are too noisy/sloppy in the back.  Way too much movement in the back.  Use your core and brace at the top and lock in that spine before you descend into the squat.  The spine/upper back/upper body should be silent/still.

Basically you start at neutral spine and work your way towards a massive arch at the bottom of the squat and then back to neutral on the way up.

Now when squatting for performance carry over I prefer a neutral spine squat throughout.  Squatting for powerlifting requires a massive arch... whichever you choose, keep your back in that position the whole way down and the whole way up.  At the top you can reposition and reset but the position should be static throughout the repetition.  Pavel Tsatsouline, and stuart mcgill, would both tell you that the extraneous movement is leaking energy, basically reducing the amount of force applied to the bar and making you lift less weight.
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: askfordev on August 25, 2010, 12:01:51 am
Well I'm no expert, but I noticed that when you come up, you kinda jerk and lock your knees. In doing this, I wonder if this could cause damage to your knees in the long run. I'd like to know for myself, if a slow coming up all the way is better than doing it how you're doing?
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: adarqui on August 25, 2010, 04:29:47 am
Well I'm no expert, but I noticed that when you come up, you kinda jerk and lock your knees. In doing this, I wonder if this could cause damage to your knees in the long run. I'd like to know for myself, if a slow coming up all the way is better than doing it how you're doing?

well, you'll get people (coaches/trainers) telling you not to forcefully accelerate through the squat all the way up through lockout, but that's more fitness-industry regurgitation, which helps people who are out of shape not get injured.. but you have to think about how much more vicious locking out of the joints is, in say a running jump etc.. in fit athletes, locking out completely is fine.. most athletes are taught to accelerate the bar with max speed all the way up, regardless of how heavy it is.. this will always cause some kind of full extension at the knee/hip.. it really is not much of a problem, it only becomes a problem in less-fit individuals, sedentary, elderly, etc..

as always though, listen to your body.. if you lock out and you feel it is bothering your knees, cut it out and see how you feel.. locking out has never posed a problem with myself or anyone i've trained, in fact i would say it has helped prevent injury, as it helps develop the VMO more, which stabilizes the patella during all types of movements.. weak vmo is a cause of many many knee injuries.

peace!
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: LanceSTS on August 25, 2010, 04:38:03 am
x2 great points.   If youre contracting the the glutes and hamstrings correctly during the squat and "pulling" with the hamstring on the explosive concentric, it will prevent you from going into knee hyperextension at lockout.  This type of kinesthetic awareness is will help tremendoulsy in jumping, landing, sprinting, kicking, and just about any explosvie action where knee extension is involved as well.
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: nba8340 on August 25, 2010, 05:08:43 am
x2 great points.   If youre contracting the the glutes and hamstrings correctly during the squat and "pulling" with the hamstring on the explosive concentric, it will prevent you from going into knee hyperextension at lockout.  This type of kinesthetic awareness is will help tremendoulsy in jumping, landing, sprinting, kicking, and just about any explosvie action where knee extension is involved as well.

yup i was going to say exactly what lance said, when i do it i go up explosively and just about lock out by finishing with the hip extension at the top but i'm not really putting lots of the stress on knees doing that.  eric cressey and mike robertson talk about doing this at well, you finish the squat by pushing your hips through.
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique Update
Post by: Joe on August 25, 2010, 03:30:03 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZrNUM-Q6-M

I think the main reason I did not get those front squat reps was due to an uncontrolled descent.
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: BMully on August 28, 2010, 11:07:58 pm
what is that rack called? i need one like that, and i cannot pay alot..but that looks like it's cheap enough for me
Title: Re: Squat Form Critique
Post by: adarqui on August 29, 2010, 03:27:21 am
what is that rack called? i need one like that, and i cannot pay alot..but that looks like it's cheap enough for me

I'd go with this: http://store.sorinex.com/Mini_Power_Rack_p/mpr-1.htm

(http://store.sorinex.com/v/vspfiles/photos/MPR-1-2.jpg)