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Performance Area => Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion => Topic started by: BMully on July 10, 2010, 07:28:40 pm
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This is hard!
I tried it yesterday, i never cheat so this is legit
my back foot hit 9ft @ my best attempt and that may not be legit, I probably hit 8ft..so 8-9Ft which is pretty sad
It was really hard, i had no form for it
anyone else try this out?
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This is hard!
I tried it yesterday, i never cheat so this is legit
my back foot hit 9ft @ my best attempt and that may not be legit, I probably hit 8ft..so 8-9Ft which is pretty sad
It was really hard, i had no form for it
anyone else try this out?
best ive hit was 104 or something, i forget.. im like 96" or so on it now (8').. broad jump always wrecks my knees.
this is jamie mcowen, went from like 110" broad jump to 123" in 3 months, shit was ridiculous:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bur4-pjwzJA
that's the biggest broad jump improvement i've ever seen, shit was rugged.
i personally hate broad jumping, kills my knees, but i like doing MR hurdle leaps for distance etc.. i just don't like landing real deep and breaking all that momentum.. i love watching broad jumps though, i can't imagine being able to jump 11' like that, like some defensive backs do.
peace
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N=2 (me + adarq) evidence for why broad jump is completely useless w/r/t vert, dunking, whatever:
Before my ankle sprain I was messing around in between sets during a workout and broad jumped 9', or farther than adarq has ever jumped in his life, even at his peak. No warm up, just jumped. And yet I probably have the worst vert (definitely the worst running vert) on this whole forum at the moment, even without the sprain.
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I have never measured it but it sounds like fun and I'd like to give it a try! So how is it measured? From toes at start to heels at finish?
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^^^Exactly. Toes behind a line, jump, measure from the farthest-back heel. If you lose balance and fall on your ass, measure from your ass :D
And it is fun, unless you do it on concrete. Then, as adarq says, it hurts like a bitch. I'd recommend a track or gym floor (that kind of bouncy black stuff they put down in weight rooms).
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^^^Exactly. Toes behind a line, jump, measure from the farthest-back heel. If you lose balance and fall on your ass, measure from your ass :D
And it is fun, unless you do it on concrete. Then, as adarq says, it hurts like a bitch. I'd recommend a track or gym floor (that kind of bouncy black stuff they put down in weight rooms).
lol ya don't do it on pure concrete like my dumb ass :)
do it on a field or something.. broad jump is actually the most intense test, of all of the tests, imo.. the landing is what is most risky.. we used to use broad jumps over hurdles to minimize the stress of the landing, to constantly test hip power, it worked very well.. for example, if you could get 120" on broad jump, then you could get around 70" over a 30" hurdle.
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N=2 (me + adarq) evidence for why broad jump is completely useless w/r/t vert, dunking, whatever:
Before my ankle sprain I was messing around in between sets during a workout and broad jumped 9', or farther than adarq has ever jumped in his life, even at his peak. No warm up, just jumped. And yet I probably have the worst vert (definitely the worst running vert) on this whole forum at the moment, even without the sprain.
wats ur rvj and svj?
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N=2 (me + adarq) evidence for why broad jump is completely useless w/r/t vert, dunking, whatever:
Before my ankle sprain I was messing around in between sets during a workout and broad jumped 9', or farther than adarq has ever jumped in his life, even at his peak. No warm up, just jumped. And yet I probably have the worst vert (definitely the worst running vert) on this whole forum at the moment, even without the sprain.
wats ur rvj and svj?
At the moment approximately 0" for SVJ and 0" for RVJ. I haven't jumped in at least a month and hadn't measured for a while before that. All-time PRs are probably 28" and 32". Once the ankle is back to normal I will test and share my shame, probably in the RVJ-SVJ drop-off thread. Stay tuned!
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N=2 (me + adarq) evidence for why broad jump is completely useless w/r/t vert, dunking, whatever:
Before my ankle sprain I was messing around in between sets during a workout and broad jumped 9', or farther than adarq has ever jumped in his life, even at his peak. No warm up, just jumped. And yet I probably have the worst vert (definitely the worst running vert) on this whole forum at the moment, even without the sprain.
the track event though? the long jump! it's basically a running broad jump, same thing in my lay men eyes..
do you have long legs?
idk this really seems like a good test 2 me but what do i know
I have to admit the people who jump higher than me long jump longer than me so this must be a crazy freak thing with you there
9ft is actually nothing super special though, i can hit 8Ft and that was after lifting so i'll try it with me being fresh and warmed up
hopefully i'll hit 9 1/2ft and beat both of you haha jk jk
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my best broad jump (well only time i done it was last year) was 2.85 metres ~112", I want to start recording it again and hit 3m......................THAT VID ANDREW POSTED UP WAS CRAZY!
The broad jump seems to use a fair amount more glute (hip extension) and less quad (knee extension)
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I know 9 feet is nothing special, wasn't trying to say it is. Just pointing out that adarq, who can dunk and could dunk well at one point has a worse broad jump than me, who can't. Also, I wouldn't say a standing broad jump is much like the track event. Broad jump is straight power, no reactivity. Long jump is all reactivity -- you ever seen a world-class long jumper try to fly off two feet at the end of the approach?
It's an okay tool for measuring lower body power, but I wouldn't say it's any better than regular old standing vert. Except easier to measure without equipment.
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I know 9 feet is nothing special, wasn't trying to say it is. Just pointing out that adarq, who can dunk and could dunk well at one point has a worse broad jump than me, who can't. Also, I wouldn't say a standing broad jump is much like the track event. Broad jump is straight power, no reactivity. Long jump is all reactivity -- you ever seen a world-class long jumper try to fly off two feet at the end of the approach?
It's an okay tool for measuring lower body power, but I wouldn't say it's any better than regular old standing vert. Except easier to measure without equipment.
agreed
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my best broad jump (well only time i done it was last year) was 2.85 metres ~112", I want to start recording it again and hit 3m......................THAT VID ANDREW POSTED UP WAS CRAZY!
nice 112" aint bad, get that 120+.
ya i love that vid :P
The broad jump seems to use a fair amount more glute (hip extension) and less quad (knee extension)
yup, as you go from vertical to horizontal, contribution of hamstrings/glutes increases, quad contribution decreases.
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my best broad jump (well only time i done it was last year) was 2.85 metres ~112", I want to start recording it again and hit 3m......................THAT VID ANDREW POSTED UP WAS CRAZY!
nice 112" aint bad, get that 120+.
ya i love that vid :P
The broad jump seems to use a fair amount more glute (hip extension) and less quad (knee extension)
yup, as you go from vertical to horizontal, contribution of hamstrings/glutes increases, quad contribution decreases.
so if you have a big vert and not a big broad jump then you know your quads are the strong suit..am i right?
so Adarqui that means you might be have strong quads and not as strong glutes
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my best broad jump (well only time i done it was last year) was 2.85 metres ~112", I want to start recording it again and hit 3m......................THAT VID ANDREW POSTED UP WAS CRAZY!
nice 112" aint bad, get that 120+.
ya i love that vid :P
The broad jump seems to use a fair amount more glute (hip extension) and less quad (knee extension)
yup, as you go from vertical to horizontal, contribution of hamstrings/glutes increases, quad contribution decreases.
so if you have a big vert and not a big broad jump then you know your quads are the strong suit..am i right?
so Adarqui that means you might be have strong quads and not as strong glutes
It could also be that one whose vertical is better than their broad jump has merely practice the vertical jump more. Broad jumps require a lot of technique.
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my best broad jump (well only time i done it was last year) was 2.85 metres ~112", I want to start recording it again and hit 3m......................THAT VID ANDREW POSTED UP WAS CRAZY!
nice 112" aint bad, get that 120+.
ya i love that vid :P
The broad jump seems to use a fair amount more glute (hip extension) and less quad (knee extension)
yup, as you go from vertical to horizontal, contribution of hamstrings/glutes increases, quad contribution decreases.
so if you have a big vert and not a big broad jump then you know your quads are the strong suit..am i right?
so Adarqui that means you might be have strong quads and not as strong glutes
It could also be that one whose vertical is better than their broad jump has merely practice the vertical jump more. Broad jumps require a lot of technique.
yea built up nerve connections from repition right?
but i am still wondering how that 1 guy beat Adarqui, just does'nt make sense 2 me
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my best broad jump (well only time i done it was last year) was 2.85 metres ~112", I want to start recording it again and hit 3m......................THAT VID ANDREW POSTED UP WAS CRAZY!
nice 112" aint bad, get that 120+.
ya i love that vid :P
The broad jump seems to use a fair amount more glute (hip extension) and less quad (knee extension)
yup, as you go from vertical to horizontal, contribution of hamstrings/glutes increases, quad contribution decreases.
so if you have a big vert and not a big broad jump then you know your quads are the strong suit..am i right?
so Adarqui that means you might be have strong quads and not as strong glutes
It could also be that one whose vertical is better than their broad jump has merely practice the vertical jump more. Broad jumps require a lot of technique.
yea built up nerve connections from repition right?
but i am still wondering how that 1 guy beat Adarqui, just does'nt make sense 2 me
Adarqui relies on reactivity in his jumps. His SVJ sucks too, he's just weak basically. ;D
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my best broad jump (well only time i done it was last year) was 2.85 metres ~112", I want to start recording it again and hit 3m......................THAT VID ANDREW POSTED UP WAS CRAZY!
nice 112" aint bad, get that 120+.
ya i love that vid :P
The broad jump seems to use a fair amount more glute (hip extension) and less quad (knee extension)
yup, as you go from vertical to horizontal, contribution of hamstrings/glutes increases, quad contribution decreases.
so if you have a big vert and not a big broad jump then you know your quads are the strong suit..am i right?
well, if you practice both skills often enough, and have proficiency in each, then yes that would be an indication of a better vert than broad jump.
broad jump is highly correlated with sprint speed, that's where it comes most in handy.. low broadjump? more often than not, low speed.
so Adarqui that means you might be have strong quads and not as strong glutes
well, my glutes are actually strong, it's my hamstrings that are weak as kittens... your theory would have merit if it weren't for my HORRIBLE svj.. my standing vertical jump is probably worse relatively than my broad jump.. but really that comes down to my being "reactive my whole life".. i never just generate force as fast as possible from "nothing".. i would always precede it with a run up, drop step, or some kind of movement to get my those muscle groups turned on.. i lack explosive strength without significant pre-loading (impact etc) :P
but yes my quads are definitely my strongest "asset" in terms of power.. calfs would be strong on the reactive strength side..
in order, my strong points would be:
- quads
- calfs
- glutes
- hamstrings
good observation though.
peace man
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sprint speed you say? do you mean outa the blocks or top speed and acceleration? because the only thing i can find that it would help is outa the blocks...i thought top speed was more reactive and acceleration was a mix of both
correct me if i am wrong, just taking guess here
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sprint speed you say? do you mean outa the blocks or top speed and acceleration? because the only thing i can find that it would help is outa the blocks...i thought top speed was more reactive and acceleration was a mix of both
correct me if i am wrong, just taking guess here
both top speed sprinting and acceleration out of the blocks correlate to broad jump.. regardless of the nature of broad jumping, it still requires powerful hamstrings/glutes, which is what is needed for any type of sprinting, regardless of accel/top speed.
think of wide receivers/defensive backs in the NFL.. look at their top speed, 40 yard dash, and broad jump.. so regardless of a movement being reactive or strength dominant, the muscle groups being used in each correlate highly with each other.
peace man
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Hey folks, broad jumped 9'7 today in warm-ups. Form felt strange, but the width was not too bad even though I had hoped to hit 9'10 at least. Will test another time when I am fresh.
We need more stats here!!!
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Hey folks, broad jumped 9'7 today in warm-ups. Form felt strange, but the width was not too bad even though I had hoped to hit 9'10 at least. Will test another time when I am fresh.
We need more stats here!!!
yea more stats would be cool
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my broad jump is < 100" if i don't train it.. it can get to around 104" when I start training it.
pretty bad yup.
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my broad jump is < 100" if i don't train it.. it can get to around 104" when I start training it.
pretty bad yup.
maybe you should train it
but are there any correlation between broad jump and long jump?
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my broad jump is < 100" if i don't train it.. it can get to around 104" when I start training it.
pretty bad yup.
maybe you should train it
but are there any correlation between broad jump and long jump?
broad jump is too hard on my knees, for me to train it all the time.. if i do say 3-4 x 5 and land deep, I don't like the aches I get.. i just have to get more powerful in the glutes/hams and just let that strength transfer over without training it..
I prefer double leg bounds for distance, it adds that reactive component which I love so much :)
well, long jump is so reactive that I see the correlation being low... I could definitely see a bunch of those top long jumpers having pretty shitty broad jumps when compared to say, and NFL db.
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my broad jump is < 100" if i don't train it.. it can get to around 104" when I start training it.
pretty bad yup.
maybe you should train it
but are there any correlation between broad jump and long jump?
broad jump is too hard on my knees, for me to train it all the time.. if i do say 3-4 x 5 and land deep, I don't like the aches I get.. i just have to get more powerful in the glutes/hams and just let that strength transfer over without training it..
I prefer double leg bounds for distance, it adds that reactive component which I love so much :)
well, long jump is so reactive that I see the correlation being low... I could definitely see a bunch of those top long jumpers having pretty shitty broad jumps when compared to say, and NFL db.
so just like standing jump and running vertical jump....i think people like in TFB have insane running but could have crappy standing right??
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my broad jump is < 100" if i don't train it.. it can get to around 104" when I start training it.
pretty bad yup.
maybe you should train it
but are there any correlation between broad jump and long jump?
broad jump is too hard on my knees, for me to train it all the time.. if i do say 3-4 x 5 and land deep, I don't like the aches I get.. i just have to get more powerful in the glutes/hams and just let that strength transfer over without training it..
I prefer double leg bounds for distance, it adds that reactive component which I love so much :)
well, long jump is so reactive that I see the correlation being low... I could definitely see a bunch of those top long jumpers having pretty shitty broad jumps when compared to say, and NFL db.
so just like standing jump and running vertical jump....i think people like in TFB have insane running but could have crappy standing right??
yup, pretty similar.. i would imagine most long jumpers have crappy standing broad jumps, just like most high jumpers have crappy standing vertical jumps.
only guy on TFB with a good standing vert would be troy mccray, everyone else relies on fast runups.. yup.
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Actually on the standing broad jump test I have had several long/triple jumpers do really well, mainly due to the fact that they are so much better at landing mechanics and stay in the air longer than the football/basketball athletes. (eg hitch kick mechanics etc.) But yea, the actual power production is not as high, they are just better at the test, just like the football guys I have who have mastered the 40yd dash techniques and beat some of the sprinters at the 40, when in reality the sprinters are usually faster (even at the 40) they just arent as good at the skills of the test yet. After mastering the start and other 40yd specific techniques, they usually dominate the football guys.
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Actually on the standing broad jump test I have had several long/triple jumpers do really well, mainly due to the fact that they are so much better at landing mechanics and stay in the air longer than the football/basketball athletes. (eg hitch kick mechanics etc.) But yea, the actual power production is not as high, they are just better at the test, just like the football guys I have who have mastered the 40yd dash techniques and beat some of the sprinters at the 40, when in reality the sprinters are usually faster (even at the 40) they just arent as good at the skills of the test yet. After mastering the start and other 40yd specific techniques, they usually dominate the football guys.
really good point about the landing mechanics of the broad jump for long jumpers/triple jumpers.
i for example, have really bad landings on broad jump, way too high & feet too close to my COG..
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Actually on the standing broad jump test I have had several long/triple jumpers do really well, mainly due to the fact that they are so much better at landing mechanics and stay in the air longer than the football/basketball athletes. (eg hitch kick mechanics etc.) But yea, the actual power production is not as high, they are just better at the test, just like the football guys I have who have mastered the 40yd dash techniques and beat some of the sprinters at the 40, when in reality the sprinters are usually faster (even at the 40) they just arent as good at the skills of the test yet. After mastering the start and other 40yd specific techniques, they usually dominate the football guys.
as sim would say...beginner gains
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Yea, and its dangerous as hell to try and improve the landings alot unless your in a long jump pit. I get alot of college football guys going to arena combines where they use the broad jump instead of the vertical jump so its a priority but otherwise Im really careful about telling the non triple and long jumpers to work on reaching for more ground and pulling through on the landing. With the arena guys its important enough that we go to the track and get in the pit where I can work with them safely.
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Actually on the standing broad jump test I have had several long/triple jumpers do really well, mainly due to the fact that they are so much better at landing mechanics and stay in the air longer than the football/basketball athletes. (eg hitch kick mechanics etc.) But yea, the actual power production is not as high, they are just better at the test, just like the football guys I have who have mastered the 40yd dash techniques and beat some of the sprinters at the 40, when in reality the sprinters are usually faster (even at the 40) they just arent as good at the skills of the test yet. After mastering the start and other 40yd specific techniques, they usually dominate the football guys.
as sim would say...beginner gains
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Actually on the standing broad jump test I have had several long/triple jumpers do really well, mainly due to the fact that they are so much better at landing mechanics and stay in the air longer than the football/basketball athletes. (eg hitch kick mechanics etc.) But yea, the actual power production is not as high, they are just better at the test, just like the football guys I have who have mastered the 40yd dash techniques and beat some of the sprinters at the 40, when in reality the sprinters are usually faster (even at the 40) they just arent as good at the skills of the test yet. After mastering the start and other 40yd specific techniques, they usually dominate the football guys.
as sim would say...beginner gains
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damn.................why not?? i mean he always say that sprinters could squat alot but they just need to get rid of the beginner gains that separate themselves from their actual potential..same thing right?
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No, I am talking about collegiate sprinters and football athletes who have been sprinting and lifting for several years. The corrections in technique and form are 100 percent responsible for the differential. Once I teach the sprinters how to run the 40, like i have previously taught the football athletes since they get tested on it frequently, they will usually beat them at the 40. Its a test that can definitely be effected by knowledge of proper techniques.(how to run the 40)
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Doesnt mean you got faster, just means you got better at the test.
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Oh, and this is a great exercise along with kipping pull ups to help the pull through on the landing so you can reach a little further with your feet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDwSSotBp98 (sit up to stand or dynamic/pull through sit ups)
and if you dont want to try those then these are your next best option
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wa-bJezFxM (atomic sit ups)
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You bring up the knee pain from landing deep... but isn't deep squatting doing the same thing to the knees. I really can't get this "a full squat is a safe squat" stuff... I mean, the knee starts to being pulled as into a separation force when the femur gets lower than the knee...
For example, if I try to squat right now with my knee injured it's not that bad until I get lower than parallel. If the glutes would take over etc from that point on, how come my pain increases when lower than parallel? I never got this one.
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The danger I was talking about is from athletes trying to wait too long to put the feet down, reaching out further than they are capable, and landing on "locked" knees. There are many cases of this and Ive seen several at combines myself during broad jump tests.
The reason your squat hurts your knees is because your using so much forward knee travel. In a properly performed, below paralell squat, the glutes feel like they almost completely take over until about midway up. You are essentially performing a hip thrust up to that point if you think about it. Your squatting technique wont permit you to drop the hips low enough below your kneecaps to experience this. When you go lower it requires even more forward knee travel, hence your increased pain. Ive already tried to explain to you that this "pretty" squat you have in your head that a 4 foot 5 Chinese olympic lifter wearing weightlifting shoes performs is not going to be the optimal squatting position for taller, longer limbed guys like us. Long legs, short torso, you are going to have to create some forward lean to squat correctly. Its really that simple, long torso/short legs- can stay very upright, short torso/long legs- need some forward lean. Neither is better and neither is worse. Whats bad is when a long leg/short torso lifter like you tries to emulate a perfectly upright torso position, causing crazy forward knee travel, or a long torso/short leg lifter tries to lean forward too much causing too much low back activity. Their torso is a longer lever than ours, they have to keep it upright.
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The danger I was talking about is from athletes trying to wait too long to put the feet down, reaching out further than they are capable, and landing on "locked" knees. There are many cases of this and Ive seen several at combines myself during broad jump tests.
The reason your squat hurts your knees is because your using so much forward knee travel. In a properly performed, below paralell squat, the glutes feel like they almost completely take over until about midway up. You are essentially performing a hip thrust up to that point if you think about it. Your squatting technique wont permit you to drop the hips low enough below your kneecaps to experience this. When you go lower it requires even more forward knee travel, hence your increased pain. Ive already tried to explain to you that this "pretty" squat you have in your head that a 4 foot 5 Chinese olympic lifter wearing weightlifting shoes performs is not going to be the optimal squatting position for taller, longer limbed guys like us. Long legs, short torso, you are going to have to create some forward lean to squat correctly. Its really that simple, long torso/short legs- can stay very upright, short torso/long legs- need some forward lean. Neither is better and neither is worse. Whats bad is when a long leg/short torso lifter like you tries to emulate a perfectly upright torso position, causing crazy forward knee travel, or a long torso/short leg lifter tries to lean forward too much causing too much low back activity. Their torso is a longer lever than ours, they have to keep it upright.
Good post.
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The danger I was talking about is from athletes trying to wait too long to put the feet down, reaching out further than they are capable, and landing on "locked" knees. There are many cases of this and Ive seen several at combines myself during broad jump tests.
The reason your squat hurts your knees is because your using so much forward knee travel. In a properly performed, below paralell squat, the glutes feel like they almost completely take over until about midway up. You are essentially performing a hip thrust up to that point if you think about it. Your squatting technique wont permit you to drop the hips low enough below your kneecaps to experience this. When you go lower it requires even more forward knee travel, hence your increased pain. Ive already tried to explain to you that this "pretty" squat you have in your head that a 4 foot 5 Chinese olympic lifter wearing weightlifting shoes performs is not going to be the optimal squatting position for taller, longer limbed guys like us. Long legs, short torso, you are going to have to create some forward lean to squat correctly. Its really that simple, long torso/short legs- can stay very upright, short torso/long legs- need some forward lean. Neither is better and neither is worse. Whats bad is when a long leg/short torso lifter like you tries to emulate a perfectly upright torso position, causing crazy forward knee travel, or a long torso/short leg lifter tries to lean forward too much causing too much low back activity. Their torso is a longer lever than ours, they have to keep it upright.
Good post.
Yeah definitely, what Lance is saying makes a lot of sense so I totally agree with him. But the low bar squat is an enigma to me.
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The danger I was talking about is from athletes trying to wait too long to put the feet down, reaching out further than they are capable, and landing on "locked" knees. There are many cases of this and Ive seen several at combines myself during broad jump tests.
The reason your squat hurts your knees is because your using so much forward knee travel. In a properly performed, below paralell squat, the glutes feel like they almost completely take over until about midway up. You are essentially performing a hip thrust up to that point if you think about it. Your squatting technique wont permit you to drop the hips low enough below your kneecaps to experience this. When you go lower it requires even more forward knee travel, hence your increased pain. Ive already tried to explain to you that this "pretty" squat you have in your head that a 4 foot 5 Chinese olympic lifter wearing weightlifting shoes performs is not going to be the optimal squatting position for taller, longer limbed guys like us. Long legs, short torso, you are going to have to create some forward lean to squat correctly. Its really that simple, long torso/short legs- can stay very upright, short torso/long legs- need some forward lean. Neither is better and neither is worse. Whats bad is when a long leg/short torso lifter like you tries to emulate a perfectly upright torso position, causing crazy forward knee travel, or a long torso/short leg lifter tries to lean forward too much causing too much low back activity. Their torso is a longer lever than ours, they have to keep it upright.
yup great post.. I wish I had more video of eddie squatting. Raptor just tries to be someone he is not, sometimes, kind of like CCJ wanting to be SquatDR. I think it is a very unhealthy mindset, and leads to all types of injuries. For example, I would have raptor just half squatting (comfortably) and working hard on unilaterals. It's the same thing I'd have eddie do, shit, he didn't even get to half squat usually, it was more somewhere between half and quarter. He got so strong though it was insane. His legs were insanely long and his torso was short, so why waste years trying to get him to squat like Zhang Guozheng, like you said.. Too many coaches adopt this mindset.
I'll give a quick analogy.. In high school, I literally was ridiculou at basketball, but I had a major beef with the varsity coach. I was more of a point guard who could create a ton. I could always get to the hoop, to dish, get fouled, or put up some buckets. But my varsity coach RAPED MY MIND by having the team run some Princeton offense: "3 passes before any shot!". So, i'd intuitively just take advantage of a gap in defense and get to the lane etc, creating a play/opportunity, then i'd get benched.................................... "IT'S 3 PASSES BEFORE ANY SHOT!"... So needless to say, my brain got completely fucked and wrecked my passion for basketball at the time. I just couldn't understand that shit.. On JV I didn't start, but I was 6th man off the bench with a few 20 point games and shit, so I mean I wasn't garbage.. The JV coach had a way different style than varsity.. I was allowed to create on JV.. So here I am thinking varsity will be great, everyone thinking i'm going to play, and instead, I end up being forced into positions that are so foreign to me that it wrecked my love for the game.. Now, some people might be saying, "well ya dude that's league level basketball, deal with it", which is totally fine, that's why I quit and played street and got into boxing etc.
That one experience changed the entire course of my life.. if you try and confine me, I adapt... if you try and "get me to squat deep when it is unnatural for me", I adapt.. I don't give a fuck who is telling me to squat deep, my body is not meant for it.. I will not waste my time doing something that doesn't take advantage of my natural leverages or abilities..... we all have unique abilities that introduce little changes into how things should actually be done, rather than just following the norm.
ok sorry for the rant, but that's kind of how I see the whole "do it like this" mindset in s&c.. sure, we need to train with good form, but that form will change based on how we are built, so small changes are necessary.. why box yourself in trying to become something you aren't? Most high jumpers half or quarter squat, they don't really give a shit about ATG :)
peace
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Yea good analogy man. Sorry to hear about your coach, its a shame that kind of power/influence on a kids career in sports is put in the hands of idiots sometimes but it happens alot in high schools.
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BUT BRO IF YOU DON"T SQUAT DEEP YOU WILL NEVER GET TRUE FUNCTIONAL FULL BODY DEVELOPMENT LIKE THE PROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!
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BUT BRO IF YOU DON"T SQUAT DEEP YOU WILL NEVER GET TRUE FUNCTIONAL FULL BODY DEVELOPMENT LIKE THE PROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!
those wimps who whine about ATG can't even barbell lunge/barbell stepup anything impressive.. :D