Author Topic: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling. (Read 38312 times)

TKXII · « **Reply #30 on:** August 19, 2011, 12:54:50 am »

Can somebody answer what I asked though..so how do tendons produce force without myosin adarq?

Ppl like justin Darlington for instance, is it really their muscles producing most of the power or tendons and bones maybe?

adarqui · « **Reply #31 on:** August 19, 2011, 01:44:17 am »

Quote from: Avishek on August 19, 2011, 12:54:50 am

Can somebody answer what I asked though..so how do tendons produce force without myosin adarq?

Ppl like justin Darlington for instance, is it really their muscles producing most of the power or tendons and bones maybe?

tendons are springs... in terms of jumping/sprinting, they get loaded when muscle contracts eccentrically/isometrically, which causes deformation in the tendon, which is similar to a 'rubber band effect', elastic energy is stored in the tendons as the muscles lock up and produce force, then this energy is released when the tendons return to form.

regardless of the athlete you're talking about, the muscles are producing plenty of force in ballistic movements, but the variations in tendon length/insertions etc causes some to be able to store/release more energy than others.. a longer achilles by only a centimeter would provide ability to store far greater elastic energy than a tendon of 1cm less.

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Raptor · « **Reply #32 on:** August 19, 2011, 05:08:15 am »

Quote from: adarqui on August 18, 2011, 09:19:41 pm

Quote from: Raptor on August 18, 2011, 05:30:09 pm
Check 3:45 here:

what about it?

There's a lot of rotation in his plant there. As I observed Vince his entire career, the difference in now vs. back in the day in terms of his plant is his lack of rotation, more quad involvement and less PC, and high center of gravity in his plants now (and lower jumps).

adarqui · « **Reply #33 on:** August 19, 2011, 07:27:39 am »

Quote from: Raptor on August 19, 2011, 05:08:15 am

Quote from: adarqui on August 18, 2011, 09:19:41 pm
Quote from: Raptor on August 18, 2011, 05:30:09 pm
Check 3:45 here:

what about it?

There's a lot of rotation in his plant there. As I observed Vince his entire career, the difference in now vs. back in the day in terms of his plant is his lack of rotation, more quad involvement and less PC, and high center of gravity in his plants now (and lower jumps).

the video you posted of him, that dunk, he's barely getting off the ground..

what about here?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMrPjl-927Q" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMrPjl-927Q</a>

or here?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7EvwWBnBHM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7EvwWBnBHM</a>

"the difference in now vs. back in the day in terms of his plant is his lack of rotation, more quad involvement and less PC, and high center of gravity in his plants now (and lower jumps)"

incorrect, the difference now is that he's older, nothing more.. it doesn't have to do with some secret spiraling technique that has disappeared from his arsenal.. furthermore, since when is rotating into the plant less quad and more PC? why is everyone just talking out of their ass, i don't get it. rotating into a plant should be more quad, more calf because of how you're "Breaking".. if you jumped straight ahead, linear, it's much less of a breaking effect, which would be less quad.

raptor don't let sickenin vendetta take you down with him, he's drowning, as usual.

Raptor · « **Reply #34 on:** August 19, 2011, 07:42:13 am »

Look at his plant here:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT5-N2vIJtQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT5-N2vIJtQ</a>

He basically bended at the knees, pretty much no hip bend, no rotation on the plant, no low center of gravity for proper "loading", no nothing.

I'm not disputing age, I don't care about age - what I care about is how an individual that had a certain plant style in the past didn't have that plant style here^^^

He did plant like in the old days (though not as low) in here:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkkfgIfSbRU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkkfgIfSbRU</a>

I love how he plants that right leg and rotates on it, "throwing" his left leg into the ground. Whenever I did that in real life I definitely got higher. I load much better doing that than with a "linear" approach.

vag · « **Reply #35 on:** August 19, 2011, 07:54:55 am »

Quote from: adarqui on August 19, 2011, 07:27:39 am

why is everyone just talking out of their ass, i don't get it.

x1000
Those fucked up threads are beginning to get really annoying!
Backpedal strokes , NBA players that don't train because they can already dunk , top secret T-DUB secret and so on...

Raptor, we all agree there are better and worse plants ( although you are being dogmatic about rotation etc , each body is different and has a different optimal plant ).

EDIT : picking random Vince Carter videos , comparing uneven things (old VC - young VC / open court one hander - pivot dropstep 2 hander) and making arguments and rules out of it = broscience.

But this is a wrong thread to talk about this , this is a thread that talks about "T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

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adarqui · « **Reply #36 on:** August 19, 2011, 08:11:02 am »

Quote from: vag on August 19, 2011, 07:54:55 am

Quote from: adarqui on August 19, 2011, 07:27:39 am
why is everyone just talking out of their ass, i don't get it.

x1000
Those fucked up threads are beginning to get really annoying!
Backpedal strokes , NBA players that don't train because they can already dunk , top secret T-DUB secret and so on...

Raptor, we all agree there are better and worse plants ( although you are being dogmatic about rotation etc , each body is different and has a different optimal plant ).

EDIT : picking random Vince Carter videos , comparing uneven things (old VC - young VC / open court one hander - pivot dropstep 2 hander) and making arguments and rules out of it = broscience.

But this is a wrong thread to talk about this , this is a thread that talks about "T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

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im just glad i learned today that the reason vince carter jumps lower, is not because of his what, 14+ nba seasons with 82+ games each, it's because he is rotating less into his plant and thus using less p-chain, even though their are vids of him jumping crazy high in his prime with barely any rotation..................................... just happy i learned that today.

Raptor · « **Reply #37 on:** August 19, 2011, 08:28:56 am »

There's plenty of rotation at 0:26 in the Weis dunk.

In the Zo dunk there's not that much, but he didn't jump as high either (not head to rim by any means).

What is definitely certain is that having more strength allows you to use a deeper bend and load at much higher velocities/depths than not having as much strength (since strength is what Vince lost while getting old). Not sure about anything else.

vag · « **Reply #38 on:** August 19, 2011, 08:57:34 am »

Quote from: Raptor on August 19, 2011, 08:28:56 am

What is definitely certain is that having more strength allows you to use a deeper bend and load at much higher velocities/depths than not having as much strength.

Agreed.

Quote from: Raptor on August 19, 2011, 08:28:56 am

(since strength is what Vince lost while getting old).

Why did he lose his strength? How do you know?

Raptor · « **Reply #39 on:** August 19, 2011, 09:17:20 am »

Well age for one. Secondly, bad nutrition (he doesn't give too much attention to nutrition from his current bodyfat%). And thirdly, Vince was never (with the exception of his youth (up to 26 years old)) a strength gym guy. He used to train with an NFL friend in 2000, I guess that explained a lot at that time.

He worked with the Magic trainers this past year to get his SVJ up to 31 inches, and squatted and did lunges (no idea of the weights used).

Also, with the bone/cartilage degeneration and injuries and age, you get "less playful" and jump less than in the past which diminishes your reactive/elastic abilities.

dirksilver · « **Reply #40 on:** August 19, 2011, 12:09:51 pm »

Quote from: vag on August 19, 2011, 07:54:55 am

Quote from: adarqui on August 19, 2011, 07:27:39 am
why is everyone just talking out of their ass, i don't get it.

x1000
Those fucked up threads are beginning to get really annoying!
Backpedal strokes , NBA players that don't train because they can already dunk , top secret T-DUB secret and so on...

Raptor, we all agree there are better and worse plants ( although you are being dogmatic about rotation etc , each body is different and has a different optimal plant ).

EDIT : picking random Vince Carter videos , comparing uneven things (old VC - young VC / open court one hander - pivot dropstep 2 hander) and making arguments and rules out of it = broscience.

But this is a wrong thread to talk about this , this is a thread that talks about "T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."

THANK YOU! i was thinking the same thing...i was like how can you even compare those dunks?!?!?! not even close to the same thing at all!!!!

gosh dang raptor!!!! the only things apples and oranges have in common are they're both fruits!

Raptor · « **Reply #41 on:** August 19, 2011, 01:08:52 pm »

I like apples more.

TKXII · « **Reply #42 on:** August 19, 2011, 09:16:14 pm »

The Weis and the other dunk did look a lot different.

If I plant RL, i thought rotating towards the right (clockwise), would make more sense, but in these examples, the jumpers rotate the opposite way of the plant leg. Kind of like doing a 1,2 punch combo in boxing, you rotate one way (the coil), then uncoil with the 2.

Raptor · « **Reply #43 on:** August 20, 2011, 07:49:08 am »

Quote from: Avishek on August 19, 2011, 09:16:14 pm

The Weis and the other dunk did look a lot different.

If I plant RL, i thought rotating towards the right (clockwise), would make more sense, but in these examples, the jumpers rotate the opposite way of the plant leg. Kind of like doing a 1,2 punch combo in boxing, you rotate one way (the coil), then uncoil with the 2.

Huh? You mean in a RL plant he actually rotates counterclockwise? You realize that's impossible don't you?

TKXII · « **Reply #44 on:** August 21, 2011, 12:27:59 pm »

Quote from: Raptor on August 20, 2011, 07:49:08 am

Quote from: Avishek on August 19, 2011, 09:16:14 pm
The Weis and the other dunk did look a lot different.

If I plant RL, i thought rotating towards the right (clockwise), would make more sense, but in these examples, the jumpers rotate the opposite way of the plant leg. Kind of like doing a 1,2 punch combo in boxing, you rotate one way (the coil), then uncoil with the 2.

Huh? You mean in a RL plant he actually rotates counterclockwise? You realize that's impossible don't you?

That what type of rotational plant are we speaking of..

InT-DUBS foul line dunk he plants RL, feet and spine facing 90degrees to the right of the basket. TO dunk, he rotates counterclockwise. From my understanding of this thread, s3k3ningv3nd333 is talking about this type of a rotation when he refers to coiling, and uncoiing in the opposite direction. I said this confused my because normally I'd think to rotate in the same direction as the plant

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