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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2011, 12:43:08 pm »
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im confused, i have never seen t-dub rotate counter clockwise when planting RL.. ???

in general, LR planters rotate counter clockwise, RL rotate clockwise

url to RL counter from t-dub?

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #46 on: August 21, 2011, 01:16:24 pm »
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THe first post in this thread contains the video.



In this video TDUb an RL planter plants his feet at a + angle (negative angle would mean counterclockwise), to the rim, but after the jump his feet, hips, neck, spine and body rotate -


I can't fathom jumping like that, nor do I think if I started jumping like that I'd have a 50inch vert, but I have rotated coutnerclockwise with my RL plants before but didn't jump much higher than regular rotation.

Maybe he rotates counter clockwise because he dunks right handed, similarly an LR left handed dunker might roatet clockwise?

Anyway, his feet go from 90 degrees + of rim, to 0 degrees of rim from plant to dunk...
« Last Edit: August 21, 2011, 01:18:32 pm by Avishek »
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2011, 02:01:09 pm »
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THe first post in this thread contains the video.



In this video TDUb an RL planter plants his feet at a + angle (negative angle would mean counterclockwise), to the rim, but after the jump his feet, hips, neck, spine and body rotate -


I can't fathom jumping like that, nor do I think if I started jumping like that I'd have a 50inch vert, but I have rotated coutnerclockwise with my RL plants before but didn't jump much higher than regular rotation.

Maybe he rotates counter clockwise because he dunks right handed, similarly an LR left handed dunker might roatet clockwise?

Anyway, his feet go from 90 degrees + of rim, to 0 degrees of rim from plant to dunk...


my mind is blown, what? LMFAO

no offense but lmfao..

maybe im blind but i do not see any of this coiling in the counterclockwise direction prior to the clockwise plant.. ??











someone explain what i am not understanding??? because i think im seeing it clear..

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2011, 04:50:36 pm »
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I can't fathom jumping like that, nor do I think if I started jumping like that I'd have a 50inch vert, but I have rotated counter-clockwise with my RL plants before but didn't jump much higher than regular rotation.


Do you believe the first time you coil/uncoil like T-DUB & use his technique that you will suddenly start jumping 50', lol.

It's elastic strength & just like everything else, it has to be developed over time & dedicated too.


I'm currently doing my own little thing with T-DUBS technique (compress/coil/plant/uncoil agility repeats, 12 reps per set. Trust me, if I have included it in my program it has to be beneficial. This IMO is the best core exercise out there. The coil I'm experiencing through my core has to be similar what is going through my Achilles tendons.


It doesn't matter how many exercises Air alert, BoingVERT, MadBounce etc etc come out with, NO EXERCISE in terms of generating full body elastic energy can compete with T-DUBS planting technique. NONE. You hearin' me adarqui?.  (refer to quote).  It's a combination of high bodyweight forces mixed with spiralling of the myosin filaments.





« Last Edit: August 21, 2011, 05:15:45 pm by $ick3nin.v3nd3tta »

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2011, 09:22:47 pm »
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Adarq:

The third image in the first set of stills you posted Tdub's feet are about 80 degrees + of basket, spine is at a similar angle.

In the next image, he rotates clockwise. Can you not see that? Cuz I mean, he clearly twists to the left, when I'd expect an RL planter to twist + to the right.


$ICK3NIN.V3ND3TTA -

You are incorrect about one thing in you last post: the angle at which TDUB is planted in relation to the rim should not matter. In his other dunks he may even be 180degrees + of the rim. SUch as in the second set of stills Adarq posted, his toes are basically 180 + of the tim (not - because approached 180 from rotating +) and in that dunk he did not rotate much since he did a completely dif dunk.

Adarq's feet face the rim, but he comes from a slanted approach like most LR dunkers, so he is rotating a little bit, the rotation you'e talking abotu though is happening after the jump, and it's compltely opposite of how others think to jump: RL planters would rotate opposite of Tdub for instance.



Also I'd imagine this coiling exercise would feel a lot like a simple 2 punch in boxing, where your back fist rotates across your entire body, and beginners would definitely feel this in your core.

THe motion is quite similar, squat back, rotate left, feet are in an RL plant right foot back, punch with right.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #50 on: August 21, 2011, 09:56:53 pm »
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Adarq:

The third image in the first set of stills you posted Tdub's feet are about 80 degrees + of basket, spine is at a similar angle.

In the next image, he rotates clockwise. Can you not see that? Cuz I mean, he clearly twists to the left, when I'd expect an RL planter to twist + to the right.


$ICK3NIN.V3ND3TTA -

You are incorrect about one thing in you last post: the angle at which TDUB is planted in relation to the rim should not matter. In his other dunks he may even be 180degrees + of the rim. SUch as in the second set of stills Adarq posted, his toes are basically 180 + of the tim (not - because approached 180 from rotating +) and in that dunk he did not rotate much since he did a completely dif dunk.

Adarq's feet face the rim, but he comes from a slanted approach like most LR dunkers, so he is rotating a little bit, the rotation you'e talking abotu though is happening after the jump, and it's compltely opposite of how others think to jump: RL planters would rotate opposite of Tdub for instance.



Also I'd imagine this coiling exercise would feel a lot like a simple 2 punch in boxing, where your back fist rotates across your entire body, and beginners would definitely feel this in your core.

THe motion is quite similar, squat back, rotate left, feet are in an RL plant right foot back, punch with right.


Tdub is just turning to get the ball i'm pretty sure

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #51 on: August 22, 2011, 12:58:51 am »
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Adarq:

The third image in the first set of stills you posted Tdub's feet are about 80 degrees + of basket, spine is at a similar angle.
$ICK3NIN.V3ND3TTA -

You are incorrect about one thing in you last post: the angle at which TDUB is planted in relation to the rim should not matter.

Of course it matters.

T-DUB is spiralling his myosin filaments so much more than someone who dunks feet facing rim (straight on). What happens?, <<< Compress core, run up, plant, coil, store, uncoil. It's the best core exercise I know. It crunches the core (if you do it right). The crunch is being produced in every other place. Bam.


Also I'd imagine this coiling exercise would feel a lot like a simple 2 punch in boxing, where your back fist rotates across your entire body, and beginners would definitely feel this in your core.

THe motion is quite similar, squat back, rotate left, feet are in an RL plant right foot back, punch with right.

T-DUB with much greater forward momentum is putting far more torque/generating more force through his body than what could ever be achieved from a punch in boxing with the boxer being much more stationary.

Apples & oranges.


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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #52 on: August 22, 2011, 01:22:01 am »
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Tdub is just turning to get the ball i'm pretty sure.

Your just not appreciating T-DUBS technique & what is actually taking place.

Regardless of where he runs up from, he is using the same coiling technique on literally every dunk he does.

Find a little space, compress the abs real tight, perform T-DUBS technique (you don't even have too jump to feel just how significant this technique is at developing the core. That development has to be carrying over to his Achilles tendons & all his fascia.

There has to be a coiling/twisting/spiralling element of the myosin filaments to generate great elastic energy.

You want jump like T-DUB, you have to be elastic.
 







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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2011, 02:13:43 am »
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Look guys.

Read over the thread, then watch this vid.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhhk4ikhs9w" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhhk4ikhs9w</a>



You will realise why ^ all these dunkers can't jump/replicate T-DUB's athleticism (refer to quote). There has to be a coiling/twisting/spiralling element of the myosin filaments to generate great elastic energy.

It's all in his technique.


2:12.
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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2011, 05:58:48 am »
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There has to be a coiling/twisting/spiralling element of the myosin filaments to generate great elastic energy.[/b][/size]

Why?

I'm not saying torque in the plant is a good or bad thing, but I don't know why you're married to the idea that there is spiralling going on at the myosin filament.  Do you realize how small a sarcomere is?  How would torque in a plant cause spiralling of myosin?  Doesn't makes sense.

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2011, 08:16:52 am »
+1
Look guys.

Read over the thread, then watch this vid


You will realise why ^ all these dunkers can't jump/replicate T-DUB's athleticism (refer to quote). There has to be a coiling/twisting/spiralling element of the myosin filaments to generate great elastic energy.

It's all in his technique.


2:12.

relax with dumb posts like this. im literally ready to ban you over this dumb post..

area51 can't replicate t-dub's athleticism? either can golden child, young hollywood, air up there, etc?

plus you're actually making this forum more retarded, i feel sorry for the young kids who read your posts.. i need to figure out a way to flag all of your posts as "moronic".. going to try and find a mod to do that later today.

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2011, 08:24:47 am »
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relax with dumb posts like this. im literally ready to ban you over this dumb post..

area51 can't replicate t-dub's athleticism? either can golden child, young hollywood, air up there, etc?

plus you're actually making this forum more retarded, i feel sorry for the young kids who read your posts.. i need to figure out a way to flag all of your posts as "moronic".. going to try and find a mod to do that later today.

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amen!!!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2011, 09:47:07 am »
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relax with dumb posts like this. im literally ready to ban you over this dumb post..

area51 can't replicate t-dub's athleticism? either can golden child, young hollywood, air up there, etc?

plus you're actually making this forum more retarded, i feel sorry for the young kids who read your posts.. i need to figure out a way to flag all of your posts as "moronic".. going to try and find a mod to do that later today.

pc

amen!!!

But it's all in the coil bro!

Be cool! Coil!

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2011, 10:58:36 am »
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so V why don't you start coiling like a mo with a couple friends,document everything and post your results...everything you're saying is academic AT BEST and complete(and most likely)bullcrap at worst

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2011, 01:28:29 pm »
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You guys are going to make him cry...
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"