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Performance Area => Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion => Topic started by: $ick3nin.v3nd3tta on August 15, 2011, 04:54:51 pm
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Notice how much coil & twisting torque T-DUB generates in the muscles, tendons, elastic fascia etc on Rucker Park NYC dunk vid below. Coiling/twisting increases elastic energy through spiralling of the myosin filaments.
“Muscular force is generated by actin and myosin filaments overlapping each other and forming cross-bridges…once the actin and myosin filaments have maximally overlapped, more tension can be realized by spiralling of the myosin filaments. A change in the length of the pitch of the actin helix may also boost force production during a very intense muscular contraction. Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted…it enables the muscle to store high amounts of elastic energy as the descending weight stretches the bands and the twists in the bands on the way down.”
BoingVERT::: T-DUB::: HAS ANYONE EVER JUMPED HIGHER ON A DUNK?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhx56uqsBjQ
Notice how much winding/twisting torque is going through his Achilles tendons when he plants his feet.
See the feet slide in when he plants?. Left foot facing cam. Twisted repeats.
(http://i.imgur.com/UC90E.png)
WOW!.
That is straight up achilles tendon/myosin filaments maximal overlap right there.
Guyton (1984) speculated that once the actin and myosin filaments have maximally overlapped, more tension can be realized by spiralling of the myosin filaments. A change in the length of the pitch of the actin helix may also boost force production during a very intense muscular contraction (Verkhoshansky & Siff, 1996). Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted.
Following on...
I just watched the vid in slow-mo just now from the front cam (head-on shot).
He plants his right foot first, as he plants that foot, he hasn't coiled his upperbody yet (counter-rotated into lowerbody/achilles tendon). His body is still facing forwards towards the basket at this point.
As the left foot plants, he counter-rotates/twists upperbody into lowerbody/Achilles. HUGE, HUGE counter rotation going on. At lift-off whole body/Achilles is coiled/twisted, you see his body facing the side on cam.). He's put massive coil into both right & left foot (planting) from counter-rotating with the upperbody. He just coils then uncoils. Even though he is putting coil through most of the body, it's the coil he produces in his Achilles/plant that is the defining factor.
HUGE ELASTIC ENERGY DEVELOPMENT.
Develop the strength in the gym, develop T-DUBS technique/coiling/elastic energy at the basket.
Video below.
Same lay-up & plants with nearly every dunk.
Look at 1:14. Exact same body angles produced as in the Rucker Park NYC vid, just a different run-up angle. Look carefully where his feet are pointing when he plants (crazy).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPFfSO8xozI
That is T-DUBS secret. The torque/coil he generates through his core/Achilles/knee tendons with every dunk (refer to quote).
The rod in the video below references exactly what is happening when we talk about spiralling/torquing/coiling of the myosin filaments, tendons, muscles, elastic fascia etc through months/years of coiled dunkin'.
Next time you watch the Rucker Park NYC dunk vid, think about the yellow rod in the vid. His hand at the bottom of the rod are T-DUBS Achilles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNvi1kdo4Wg
The more you coil the rod (myosin filaments, tendons, muscles, elastic fascia etc), the faster everything snaps back (uncoils).
It doesn't matter how many exercises Air alert, BoingVERT, MadBounce etc etc come out with, NO EXERCISE in terms of generating full body elastic energy can compete with T-DUBS planting technique. NONE. You hearin' me adarqui?. (refer to quote). It's a combination of high bodyweight forces mixed with spiralling of the myosin filaments.
The Catapult Mechanism: Elastic Recoil of Fascial Tissues.
Kangaroos can hop much farther and faster than can be explained by the force of the contraction of their leg muscles. Under closer scrutiny, scientists discovered that a spring -like action is behind the unique ability: the so-called catapult mechanism (Kram & Dawson 1998). Here the tendons and the fascia of the legs are tensioned like elastic bands. The release of this stored energy is what makes the amazing hops possible. Hardy surprising, scientist thereafter found the same mechanism is also used by gazelles. These animals are also capable of per-forming impressive leaping as well as running, though their musculature is not especially powerful. On the contrary, gazelles are generally considered to be rather delicate, making the springy ease of their incredible jumps all the more interesting.
Fascia expresses a significant increased elastic storage capacity (how much is still not truly known).
How is it developed?.
One way is preparatory counter-movement. "Multidirectional movements, with slight changes in angle are utilized; this might include sideways or diagonal movement variations as well as spiralling rotations. With this method, large areas of the fascial network are simultaneously involved".
Now I can see why T-DUBS movement is a perfect dunkin' exercise. It's full body.
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wait, t-dub has a secret technique to jump insane? who taught it to him? or does he do it naturally? and if people incorporate this spiraling technique, how many instant inches can they expect?
sickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Once again $ick3nin.v3nd3tta proves his knowledge and unique understanding of sports performance.
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wait, t-dub has a secret technique to jump insane? who taught it to him? or does he do it naturally? and if people incorporate this spiraling technique, how many instant inches can they expect?.
It's not really a secret technique.
All T-DUB is doing is squaring up his body/feet to the basket (increasing elastic torque throughout his whole body, mainly achilles tendons), as opposed to you who dunks mainly head on. Your not storing & releasing any elastic energy dunking that way.
T-DUBS secret lies in his Achilles tendons due to all the winding/twisting his body imparts on them when he plants his feet through 100's/1000's of dunks.
There is no way performing weighted calf raises can compete in terms of generating elastic energy with the technique/forces T-DUB generates when planting/dunking. (Refer back to the quote in OP/watch vid).
Bam.
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wait, t-dub has a secret technique to jump insane? who taught it to him? or does he do it naturally? and if people incorporate this spiraling technique, how many instant inches can they expect?.
It's not really a secret technique.
All T-DUB is doing is squaring up his body/feet to the basket (increasing elastic torque throughout his whole body, mainly achilles tendons) enjoy being a rare freak of nature, as opposed to you who dunks mainly head on. Your not storing & releasing any elastic energy dunking that way the vast majority of people that have to work their asses off under the squat bar hoping to reach just some decent percentage of his inhuman natural strength/power levels.
T-DUBS secret lies in his Achilles tendons due to all the winding/twisting his body imparts on them when he plants his feet through 100's/1000's of dunks genetics , all he has to do is get off the couch and jump 50''. Whatever he does , boingvert , air alert , backpedal bike , abs&stretch ( AUT ) will seem to work and gain him inches.
There is no way performing weighted calf raises can compete in terms of generating elastic energy with the technique/forces T-DUB generates when planting/dunking. (Refer back to the quote in OP/watch vid) anyone sane would believe that being probably the best jumper/dunker in the whole word has to do with some ankle rotation.
Bam.
Fixed
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wait, t-dub has a secret technique to jump insane? who taught it to him? or does he do it naturally? and if people incorporate this spiraling technique, how many instant inches can they expect?.
It's not really a secret technique.
All T-DUB is doing is squaring up his body/feet to the basket (increasing elastic torque throughout his whole body, mainly achilles tendons), as opposed to you who dunks mainly head on. Your not storing & releasing any elastic energy dunking that way.
im confused, t-dub squares up to the basket, yet i dunk head on, which makes no sense, because dunking head on is squaring up to the basket..
what's even more confusing, is the fact that i don't dunk head on, i rotate into my plant and my feet are usually pointed to the left of the rim/basket.
here's a pic from last dunk session:
(http://i.imgur.com/FL48n.png)
here's a pic from today:
(http://i.imgur.com/O7hD4.png)
explain to me how i jump square? i rotate hard into my plant..
t-dub is never squared to the basket.... maybe you should stop talking out of your ass and post exact examples of what you're trying to talk about... http://www.adarq.org/forum/crazy-weird-analysis-stuff-)/various-jumpers-plants/
you know who adarqui plants like in that thread? AUT/GC.. similar plant on my best jumps.. you notice how most of the people in that thread don't plant at all like t-dub, yet still fly? that's because you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
here, lemme help you..
not squared:
(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/adarqui/Picture32.png)
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6678/jacobtuckerplant.jpg)
squared:
(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/adarqui/Picture47.png?)
(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/adarqui/Picture38.png)
(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/adarqui/Picture35.png)
now explain to me how people who jump squared jump around just as high as t-dub? also explain to me how people who jump with a slight rotation (darlington/AUT/GC/YH etc) jump as high as t-dub?
T-DUBS secret lies in his Achilles tendons due to all the winding/twisting his body imparts on them when he plants his feet through 100's/1000's of dunks.
There is no way performing weighted calf raises can compete in terms of generating elastic energy with the technique/forces T-DUB generates when planting/dunking. (Refer back to the quote in OP/watch vid).
Bam.
DERP.
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wait, t-dub has a secret technique to jump insane? who taught it to him? or does he do it naturally? and if people incorporate this spiraling technique, how many instant inches can they expect?.
It's not really a secret technique.
All T-DUB is doing is squaring up his body/feet to the basket (increasing elastic torque throughout his whole body, mainly achilles tendons) enjoy being a rare freak of nature, as opposed to you who dunks mainly head on. Your not storing & releasing any elastic energy dunking that way the vast majority of people that have to work their asses off under the squat bar hoping to reach just some decent percentage of his inhuman natural strength/power levels.
T-DUBS secret lies in his Achilles tendons due to all the winding/twisting his body imparts on them when he plants his feet through 100's/1000's of dunks genetics , all he has to do is get off the couch and jump 50''. Whatever he does , boingvert , air alert , backpedal bike , abs&stretch ( AUT ) will seem to work and gain him inches.
There is no way performing weighted calf raises can compete in terms of generating elastic energy with the technique/forces T-DUB generates when planting/dunking. (Refer back to the quote in OP/watch vid) anyone sane would believe that being probably the best jumper/dunker in the whole word has to do with some ankle rotation.
Bam.
Fixed
perfect.
BAM.
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sickenin, do u think people can just change their technique to jump like t-dub? ie, mimicking his runup speed/plant etc?
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is sickinvendetta being serious? i think he's just trolling.
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is sickinvendetta being serious? i think he's just trolling.
Ever since that NBA players training thread, I think he's enjoying trolling this forum
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is sickinvendetta being serious? i think he's just trolling.
Ever since that NBA players training thread, I think he's enjoying trolling this forum
I actually think he's serious. And I kind of get where he aims at with his ideas, but he's not hitting the right stuff.
Twisting in a one-leg jump instead of coming up liniarily and jump definitely helps in my experience (if anything, the center of gravity gets a better trajectory and more muscles can be utilized/better leverage is obtained).
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what raptor said.
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Trolling?.
I posted you the quote. Can't really make it any clearer.
“Muscular force is generated by actin and myosin filaments overlapping each other and forming cross-bridges…once the actin and myosin filaments have maximally overlapped, more tension can be realized by spiralling of the myosin filaments. A change in the length of the pitch of the actin helix may also boost force production during a very intense muscular contraction. Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted…it enables the muscle to store high amounts of elastic energy as the descending weight stretches the bands and the twists in the bands on the way down.”
^ 'as the descending weight'. T-DUBS bodyweight.
'twists in the bands on the way down'. T-DUB planting/torquing.
'it enables the muscle to store high amounts of elastic energy'.
what's even more confusing, is the fact that i don't dunk head on, i rotate into my plant and my feet are usually pointed to the left of the rim/basket.
here's a pic from last dunk session:
(http://i.imgur.com/FL48n.png)
adarqui, replicate how T-DUB is running/lining upto the basket. Then your on your way to producing masses amount of full-body elastic energy.
There is no great T-DUB coil or spiralling of the myosin filaments from that position your in within that pic.
See the guy with the red shorts in the pic?, he is facing in the same direction how T-DUB is setting up when he plants.
In that pic from your last dunk session, your feet/legs/torso have to be pointing to the right wall (the direction the guy in the red shorts is facing), IF your to replicate T-DUBS super dunk/action/elastic energy development.
Watch the vid, watch where T-DUBS left foot/legs/torso plant & look where the camera is at. He is completely face on (facing the right wall in your dunk picture). Overtime this coiling will generate huge amounts of elastic energy especially in the achilles tendons & throughout the entire body.
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Twisting in a one-leg jump instead of coming up liniarily and jump definitely helps in my experience (if anything, the center of gravity gets a better trajectory and more muscles can be utilized/better leverage is obtained).
Watch the vid.
Two-legged jump.
The twisting torque/force (bodyweight) he produces (refer to quote) thousands of times (dunkin') through mainly his achilles tendons at plant is springing him that high.
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See the feet slide in when he plants?. Left foot facing cam.
WOW!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhx56uqsBjQ
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Trolling?.
I posted you the quote. Can't really make it any clearer.
“Muscular force is generated by actin and myosin filaments overlapping each other and forming cross-bridges…once the actin and myosin filaments have maximally overlapped, more tension can be realized by spiralling of the myosin filaments. A change in the length of the pitch of the actin helix may also boost force production during a very intense muscular contraction. Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted…it enables the muscle to store high amounts of elastic energy as the descending weight stretches the bands and the twists in the bands on the way down.”
^ 'as the descending weight'. T-DUBS bodyweight.
'twists in the bands on the way down'. T-DUB planting/torquing.
'it enables the muscle to store high amounts of elastic energy'.
lmfao this guy is comparing the actin/myosin sliding filament theory with spiraling movements in a plant...................................
where did you get that quote? because this part is well known: "Muscular force is generated by actin and myosin filaments overlapping each other and forming cross-bridges…"
but this part sounds like something someone pulled out of their ass... "once the actin and myosin filaments have maximally overlapped, more tension can be realized by spiralling of the myosin filaments. A change in the length of the pitch of the actin helix may also boost force production during a very intense muscular contraction. Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted…it enables the muscle to store high amounts of elastic energy as the descending weight stretches the bands and the twists in the bands on the way down.”
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
you make no sense sickenin vendetta.. you never make any sense what so ever.
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adarqui, replicate how T-DUB is running/lining upto the basket. Then your on your way to producing masses amount of full-body elastic energy.
There is no great T-DUB coil or spiralling of the myosin filaments from that position your in within that pic.
See the guy with the red shorts in the pic?, he is facing in the same direction how T-DUB is setting up when he plants.
In that pic from your last dunk session, your feet/legs/torso have to be pointing to the right wall (the direction the guy in the red shorts is facing), IF your to replicate T-DUBS super dunk/action/elastic energy development.
Watch the vid, watch where T-DUBS left foot/legs/torso plant & look where the camera is at. He is completely face on (facing the right wall in your dunk picture). Overtime this coiling will generate huge amounts of elastic energy especially in the achilles tendons & throughout the entire body.
i understand exactly how t-dub jumps..................... but again:
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
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I just watched the vid in slow-mo just now from the front cam (head-on shot).
He plants his right foot first, as he plants that foot, he hasn't coiled his upperbody yet (counter-rotated into lowerbody/achilles tendon). His body is still facing forwards towards the basket at this point.
As the left foot plants, he counter-rotates/twists upperbody into lowerbody/Achilles. HUGE, HUGE counter rotation going on. At lift-off whole body/Achilles is coiled/twisted, you see his body facing the side on cam.). He's put massive coil into both right & left foot (planting) from counter-rotating with the upperbody. He just coils then uncoils. Even though he is putting coil through most of the body, it's the coil he produces in his Achilles/plant that is the defining factor.
“Muscular force is generated by actin and myosin filaments overlapping each other and forming cross-bridges…once the actin and myosin filaments have maximally overlapped, more tension can be realized by spiralling of the myosin filaments. A change in the length of the pitch of the actin helix may also boost force production during a very intense muscular contraction. Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted…it enables the muscle to store high amounts of elastic energy as the descending weight stretches the bands and the twists in the bands on the way down.”
Develop the strength in the gym, develop T-DUBS technique/coiling/elastic energy at the basket.
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go troll elitetrack forum.
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Listen up... This is for real.
I just watched the vid in slow-mo just now from the front cam (head-on shot).
He plants his right foot first, as he plants that foot, he hasn't coiled his upperbody yet (counter-rotated into lowerbody/achilles tendon). His body is still facing forwards towards the basket at this point.
As the left foot plants, he counter-rotates/twists upperbody into lowerbody/Achilles. HUGE, HUGE counter rotation going on. At lift-off whole body/Achilles is coiled/twisted, you see his body facing the side on cam.). He's put massive coil into both right & left foot (planting) from counter-rotating with the upperbody. He just coils then uncoils. Even though he is putting coil through most of the body, it's the coil he produces in his Achilles/plant that is the defining factor.
HUGE ELASTIC ENERGY DEVELOPMENT.
Do this yeah...
COMPRESS YOUR ABS/CORE HARD, KEEP IT COMPRESSED THROUGHOUT THE DUNK & PERFORM T-DUBS PLANT.
Should feel like your stomach is being crushed. That is the twisting power/torque your putting through the body.
Feeling the twist in the core. Imagine the torque being developed through the Achilles tendons with every dunk. :highfive:
Bam.
“Muscular force is generated by actin and myosin filaments overlapping each other and forming cross-bridges…once the actin and myosin filaments have maximally overlapped, more tension can be realized by spiralling of the myosin filaments. A change in the length of the pitch of the actin helix may also boost force production during a very intense muscular contraction. Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted…it enables the muscle to store high amounts of elastic energy as the descending weight stretches the bands and the twists in the bands on the way down.”
Develop the strength in the gym, develop T-DUBS technique/coiling/elastic energy at the basket.
quoting because these posts usually get deleted by sickenin vendetta himself.
go troll elitetrack forum.
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called it.
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Vid below.
Same lay-up & plants with nearly every dunk.
Look at 1:14. Exact same body angles produced as in the Rucker Park NYC vid, just a different run-up angle. Look carefully where his feet are pointing when he plants (crazy).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPFfSO8xozI
That is T-DUBS secret. The torque/coil he generates through his core/Achilles/knee tendons with every dunk (refer to quote).
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you are coiling my brain with all of this lame trolling.
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again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
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again, why do i have to replicate t-dub's jump when i could replicate GC/YH/AUT's jump?
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ya thats my problem with sickenin, at least if you're going to troll, dont dodge questions, make something good up.
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At least provide a source for your quote. You can't not provide a reference for quotes...
And also, what about tendons? They don't use actin/myosin how does your quote even apply to that, why even talk about force, you should be talking about power.
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At least provide a source for your quote. You can't not provide a reference for quotes...
right, it's his quote, that's why it makes no sense.. notice the '...' in the quote in the first sentence.
i'd still like to know why i have to jump like t-dub, when most of the elite double leggers don't at all jump like him... one day he'll reveal to me, the truth, of this matter.
And also, what about tendons? They don't use actin/myosin how does your quote even apply to that, why even talk about force, you should be talking about power.
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i still don't think you're added video applies to jumping...maybe if what he was doing was horizontal(and still even then it's not the same thing)but it's not...it's vertical
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Check 3:45 here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHxq9HHnHCI
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Check 3:45 here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHxq9HHnHCI
what about it?
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Can somebody answer what I asked though..so how do tendons produce force without myosin adarq?
Ppl like justin Darlington for instance, is it really their muscles producing most of the power or tendons and bones maybe?
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Can somebody answer what I asked though..so how do tendons produce force without myosin adarq?
Ppl like justin Darlington for instance, is it really their muscles producing most of the power or tendons and bones maybe?
tendons are springs... in terms of jumping/sprinting, they get loaded when muscle contracts eccentrically/isometrically, which causes deformation in the tendon, which is similar to a 'rubber band effect', elastic energy is stored in the tendons as the muscles lock up and produce force, then this energy is released when the tendons return to form.
regardless of the athlete you're talking about, the muscles are producing plenty of force in ballistic movements, but the variations in tendon length/insertions etc causes some to be able to store/release more energy than others.. a longer achilles by only a centimeter would provide ability to store far greater elastic energy than a tendon of 1cm less.
pC
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Check 3:45 here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHxq9HHnHCI
what about it?
There's a lot of rotation in his plant there. As I observed Vince his entire career, the difference in now vs. back in the day in terms of his plant is his lack of rotation, more quad involvement and less PC, and high center of gravity in his plants now (and lower jumps).
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Check 3:45 here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHxq9HHnHCI
what about it?
There's a lot of rotation in his plant there. As I observed Vince his entire career, the difference in now vs. back in the day in terms of his plant is his lack of rotation, more quad involvement and less PC, and high center of gravity in his plants now (and lower jumps).
the video you posted of him, that dunk, he's barely getting off the ground..
what about here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMrPjl-927Q
or here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7EvwWBnBHM
"the difference in now vs. back in the day in terms of his plant is his lack of rotation, more quad involvement and less PC, and high center of gravity in his plants now (and lower jumps)"
incorrect, the difference now is that he's older, nothing more.. it doesn't have to do with some secret spiraling technique that has disappeared from his arsenal.. furthermore, since when is rotating into the plant less quad and more PC? why is everyone just talking out of their ass, i don't get it. rotating into a plant should be more quad, more calf because of how you're "Breaking".. if you jumped straight ahead, linear, it's much less of a breaking effect, which would be less quad.
raptor don't let sickenin vendetta take you down with him, he's drowning, as usual.
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Look at his plant here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT5-N2vIJtQ
He basically bended at the knees, pretty much no hip bend, no rotation on the plant, no low center of gravity for proper "loading", no nothing.
I'm not disputing age, I don't care about age - what I care about is how an individual that had a certain plant style in the past didn't have that plant style here^^^
He did plant like in the old days (though not as low) in here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkkfgIfSbRU
I love how he plants that right leg and rotates on it, "throwing" his left leg into the ground. Whenever I did that in real life I definitely got higher. I load much better doing that than with a "linear" approach.
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why is everyone just talking out of their ass, i don't get it.
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Those fucked up threads are beginning to get really annoying!
Backpedal strokes , NBA players that don't train because they can already dunk , top secret T-DUB secret and so on...
Raptor, we all agree there are better and worse plants ( although you are being dogmatic about rotation etc , each body is different and has a different optimal plant ).
EDIT : picking random Vince Carter videos , comparing uneven things (old VC - young VC / open court one hander - pivot dropstep 2 hander) and making arguments and rules out of it = broscience.
But this is a wrong thread to talk about this , this is a thread that talks about "T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
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why is everyone just talking out of their ass, i don't get it.
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Those fucked up threads are beginning to get really annoying!
Backpedal strokes , NBA players that don't train because they can already dunk , top secret T-DUB secret and so on...
Raptor, we all agree there are better and worse plants ( although you are being dogmatic about rotation etc , each body is different and has a different optimal plant ).
EDIT : picking random Vince Carter videos , comparing uneven things (old VC - young VC / open court one hander - pivot dropstep 2 hander) and making arguments and rules out of it = broscience.
But this is a wrong thread to talk about this , this is a thread that talks about "T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
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im just glad i learned today that the reason vince carter jumps lower, is not because of his what, 14+ nba seasons with 82+ games each, it's because he is rotating less into his plant and thus using less p-chain, even though their are vids of him jumping crazy high in his prime with barely any rotation..................................... just happy i learned that today.
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There's plenty of rotation at 0:26 in the Weis dunk.
In the Zo dunk there's not that much, but he didn't jump as high either (not head to rim by any means).
What is definitely certain is that having more strength allows you to use a deeper bend and load at much higher velocities/depths than not having as much strength (since strength is what Vince lost while getting old). Not sure about anything else.
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What is definitely certain is that having more strength allows you to use a deeper bend and load at much higher velocities/depths than not having as much strength.
Agreed.
(since strength is what Vince lost while getting old).
Why did he lose his strength? How do you know?
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Well age for one. Secondly, bad nutrition (he doesn't give too much attention to nutrition from his current bodyfat%). And thirdly, Vince was never (with the exception of his youth (up to 26 years old)) a strength gym guy. He used to train with an NFL friend in 2000, I guess that explained a lot at that time.
He worked with the Magic trainers this past year to get his SVJ up to 31 inches, and squatted and did lunges (no idea of the weights used).
Also, with the bone/cartilage degeneration and injuries and age, you get "less playful" and jump less than in the past which diminishes your reactive/elastic abilities.
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why is everyone just talking out of their ass, i don't get it.
x1000
Those fucked up threads are beginning to get really annoying!
Backpedal strokes , NBA players that don't train because they can already dunk , top secret T-DUB secret and so on...
Raptor, we all agree there are better and worse plants ( although you are being dogmatic about rotation etc , each body is different and has a different optimal plant ).
EDIT : picking random Vince Carter videos , comparing uneven things (old VC - young VC / open court one hander - pivot dropstep 2 hander) and making arguments and rules out of it = broscience.
But this is a wrong thread to talk about this , this is a thread that talks about "T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
"T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling."
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THANK YOU! i was thinking the same thing...i was like how can you even compare those dunks?!?!?! not even close to the same thing at all!!!!
gosh dang raptor!!!! the only things apples and oranges have in common are they're both fruits!
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I like apples more.
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The Weis and the other dunk did look a lot different.
If I plant RL, i thought rotating towards the right (clockwise), would make more sense, but in these examples, the jumpers rotate the opposite way of the plant leg. Kind of like doing a 1,2 punch combo in boxing, you rotate one way (the coil), then uncoil with the 2.
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The Weis and the other dunk did look a lot different.
If I plant RL, i thought rotating towards the right (clockwise), would make more sense, but in these examples, the jumpers rotate the opposite way of the plant leg. Kind of like doing a 1,2 punch combo in boxing, you rotate one way (the coil), then uncoil with the 2.
Huh? You mean in a RL plant he actually rotates counterclockwise? You realize that's impossible don't you?
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The Weis and the other dunk did look a lot different.
If I plant RL, i thought rotating towards the right (clockwise), would make more sense, but in these examples, the jumpers rotate the opposite way of the plant leg. Kind of like doing a 1,2 punch combo in boxing, you rotate one way (the coil), then uncoil with the 2.
Huh? You mean in a RL plant he actually rotates counterclockwise? You realize that's impossible don't you?
That what type of rotational plant are we speaking of..
InT-DUBS foul line dunk he plants RL, feet and spine facing 90degrees to the right of the basket. TO dunk, he rotates counterclockwise. From my understanding of this thread, s3k3ningv3nd333 is talking about this type of a rotation when he refers to coiling, and uncoiing in the opposite direction. I said this confused my because normally I'd think to rotate in the same direction as the plant
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im confused, i have never seen t-dub rotate counter clockwise when planting RL.. ???
in general, LR planters rotate counter clockwise, RL rotate clockwise
url to RL counter from t-dub?
pc
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THe first post in this thread contains the video.
In this video TDUb an RL planter plants his feet at a + angle (negative angle would mean counterclockwise), to the rim, but after the jump his feet, hips, neck, spine and body rotate -
I can't fathom jumping like that, nor do I think if I started jumping like that I'd have a 50inch vert, but I have rotated coutnerclockwise with my RL plants before but didn't jump much higher than regular rotation.
Maybe he rotates counter clockwise because he dunks right handed, similarly an LR left handed dunker might roatet clockwise?
Anyway, his feet go from 90 degrees + of rim, to 0 degrees of rim from plant to dunk...
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THe first post in this thread contains the video.
In this video TDUb an RL planter plants his feet at a + angle (negative angle would mean counterclockwise), to the rim, but after the jump his feet, hips, neck, spine and body rotate -
I can't fathom jumping like that, nor do I think if I started jumping like that I'd have a 50inch vert, but I have rotated coutnerclockwise with my RL plants before but didn't jump much higher than regular rotation.
Maybe he rotates counter clockwise because he dunks right handed, similarly an LR left handed dunker might roatet clockwise?
Anyway, his feet go from 90 degrees + of rim, to 0 degrees of rim from plant to dunk...
my mind is blown, what? LMFAO
no offense but lmfao..
maybe im blind but i do not see any of this coiling in the counterclockwise direction prior to the clockwise plant.. ??
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someone explain what i am not understanding??? because i think im seeing it clear..
pC
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I can't fathom jumping like that, nor do I think if I started jumping like that I'd have a 50inch vert, but I have rotated counter-clockwise with my RL plants before but didn't jump much higher than regular rotation.
Do you believe the first time you coil/uncoil like T-DUB & use his technique that you will suddenly start jumping 50', lol.
It's elastic strength & just like everything else, it has to be developed over time & dedicated too.
I'm currently doing my own little thing with T-DUBS technique (compress/coil/plant/uncoil agility repeats, 12 reps per set. Trust me, if I have included it in my program it has to be beneficial. This IMO is the best core exercise out there. The coil I'm experiencing through my core has to be similar what is going through my Achilles tendons.
It doesn't matter how many exercises Air alert, BoingVERT, MadBounce etc etc come out with, NO EXERCISE in terms of generating full body elastic energy can compete with T-DUBS planting technique. NONE. You hearin' me adarqui?. (refer to quote). It's a combination of high bodyweight forces mixed with spiralling of the myosin filaments.
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adarqui, Don't even tell me you don't see any difference between both pics. For you to replicate T-DUB'S coil, your torso & feet have to be pointing in the same direction (coiling/torque) to where the guy wearing the black vest, holdin' the bball is facing.
T-DUB is near on 90° to the basket (torso/left foot), your approximately 35°-45°.
Your not coiling/overlapping your myosin filaments maximally. Your generating less elastic energy with each dunk.
Thankyou for the pics.
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Adarq:
The third image in the first set of stills you posted Tdub's feet are about 80 degrees + of basket, spine is at a similar angle.
In the next image, he rotates clockwise. Can you not see that? Cuz I mean, he clearly twists to the left, when I'd expect an RL planter to twist + to the right.
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You are incorrect about one thing in you last post: the angle at which TDUB is planted in relation to the rim should not matter. In his other dunks he may even be 180degrees + of the rim. SUch as in the second set of stills Adarq posted, his toes are basically 180 + of the tim (not - because approached 180 from rotating +) and in that dunk he did not rotate much since he did a completely dif dunk.
Adarq's feet face the rim, but he comes from a slanted approach like most LR dunkers, so he is rotating a little bit, the rotation you'e talking abotu though is happening after the jump, and it's compltely opposite of how others think to jump: RL planters would rotate opposite of Tdub for instance.
Also I'd imagine this coiling exercise would feel a lot like a simple 2 punch in boxing, where your back fist rotates across your entire body, and beginners would definitely feel this in your core.
THe motion is quite similar, squat back, rotate left, feet are in an RL plant right foot back, punch with right.
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Adarq:
The third image in the first set of stills you posted Tdub's feet are about 80 degrees + of basket, spine is at a similar angle.
In the next image, he rotates clockwise. Can you not see that? Cuz I mean, he clearly twists to the left, when I'd expect an RL planter to twist + to the right.
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You are incorrect about one thing in you last post: the angle at which TDUB is planted in relation to the rim should not matter. In his other dunks he may even be 180degrees + of the rim. SUch as in the second set of stills Adarq posted, his toes are basically 180 + of the tim (not - because approached 180 from rotating +) and in that dunk he did not rotate much since he did a completely dif dunk.
Adarq's feet face the rim, but he comes from a slanted approach like most LR dunkers, so he is rotating a little bit, the rotation you'e talking abotu though is happening after the jump, and it's compltely opposite of how others think to jump: RL planters would rotate opposite of Tdub for instance.
Also I'd imagine this coiling exercise would feel a lot like a simple 2 punch in boxing, where your back fist rotates across your entire body, and beginners would definitely feel this in your core.
THe motion is quite similar, squat back, rotate left, feet are in an RL plant right foot back, punch with right.
Tdub is just turning to get the ball i'm pretty sure
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Adarq:
The third image in the first set of stills you posted Tdub's feet are about 80 degrees + of basket, spine is at a similar angle.
T-DUBS left foot is parallel with the free throw line in the third image, thus the toes of that foot are exactly 90° to the backboard. Due to the baggy vest, it's quite difficult to determine how many °'s his torso has gone but there is a hella amount of torque being generated none the same.
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You are incorrect about one thing in you last post: the angle at which TDUB is planted in relation to the rim should not matter.
Of course it matters.
T-DUB is spiralling his myosin filaments so much more than someone who dunks feet facing rim (straight on). What happens?, "it enables the muscles/tendons/fascia to store high amounts of elastic energy as the descending weight stretches the bands and the twists in the bands on the way down.”<<< Compress core, run up, plant, coil, store, uncoil. It's the best core exercise I know. It crunches the core (if you do it right). The crunch is being produced in every other place. Bam.
Also I'd imagine this coiling exercise would feel a lot like a simple 2 punch in boxing, where your back fist rotates across your entire body, and beginners would definitely feel this in your core.
THe motion is quite similar, squat back, rotate left, feet are in an RL plant right foot back, punch with right.
T-DUB with much greater forward momentum is putting far more torque/generating more force through his body than what could ever be achieved from a punch in boxing with the boxer being much more stationary.
Apples & oranges.
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Tdub is just turning to get the ball i'm pretty sure.
Your just not appreciating T-DUBS technique & what is actually taking place.
Regardless of where he runs up from, he is using the same coiling technique on literally every dunk he does.
Find a little space, compress the abs real tight, perform T-DUBS technique (you don't even have too jump to feel just how significant this technique is at developing the core. That development has to be carrying over to his Achilles tendons & all his fascia.
There has to be a coiling/twisting/spiralling element of the myosin filaments to generate great elastic energy.
You want jump like T-DUB, you have to be elastic.
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Look guys.
Read over the thread, then watch this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhhk4ikhs9w
You will realise why ^ all these dunkers can't jump/replicate T-DUB's athleticism (refer to quote). There has to be a coiling/twisting/spiralling element of the myosin filaments to generate great elastic energy.
It's all in his technique.
2:12.
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There has to be a coiling/twisting/spiralling element of the myosin filaments to generate great elastic energy.[/b][/size]
Why?
I'm not saying torque in the plant is a good or bad thing, but I don't know why you're married to the idea that there is spiralling going on at the myosin filament. Do you realize how small a sarcomere is? How would torque in a plant cause spiralling of myosin? Doesn't makes sense.
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Look guys.
Read over the thread, then watch this vid
You will realise why ^ all these dunkers can't jump/replicate T-DUB's athleticism (refer to quote). There has to be a coiling/twisting/spiralling element of the myosin filaments to generate great elastic energy.
It's all in his technique.
2:12.
relax with dumb posts like this. im literally ready to ban you over this dumb post..
area51 can't replicate t-dub's athleticism? either can golden child, young hollywood, air up there, etc?
plus you're actually making this forum more retarded, i feel sorry for the young kids who read your posts.. i need to figure out a way to flag all of your posts as "moronic".. going to try and find a mod to do that later today.
pc
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relax with dumb posts like this. im literally ready to ban you over this dumb post..
area51 can't replicate t-dub's athleticism? either can golden child, young hollywood, air up there, etc?
plus you're actually making this forum more retarded, i feel sorry for the young kids who read your posts.. i need to figure out a way to flag all of your posts as "moronic".. going to try and find a mod to do that later today.
pc
amen!!!
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relax with dumb posts like this. im literally ready to ban you over this dumb post..
area51 can't replicate t-dub's athleticism? either can golden child, young hollywood, air up there, etc?
plus you're actually making this forum more retarded, i feel sorry for the young kids who read your posts.. i need to figure out a way to flag all of your posts as "moronic".. going to try and find a mod to do that later today.
pc
amen!!!
But it's all in the coil bro!
Be cool! Coil!
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so V why don't you start coiling like a mo with a couple friends,document everything and post your results...everything you're saying is academic AT BEST and complete(and most likely)bullcrap at worst
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You guys are going to make him cry...
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"There has to be a coiling/twisting/spiralling element of the myosin filaments to generate great elastic energy."
The coiling/twisting/spiralling is created between joints. There might be twisting at the ankle, the knee, the hips..... But there is simply no evidence that you can cause your myosin filaments to twist. In fact the conformational change between myosin and actin filaments is regulated by chemistry and cannot be changed by coiling between your joints. It may be possible that this coiling takeoff results in a much stronger contraction, but the effect would be neural not a physical change in myosin filaments.
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"There has to be a coiling/twisting/spiralling element of the myosin filaments to generate great elastic energy."
The coiling/twisting/spiralling is created between joints. There might be twisting at the ankle, the knee, the hips..... But there is simply no evidence that you can cause your myosin filaments to twist. In fact the conformational change between myosin and actin filaments is regulated by chemistry and cannot be changed by coiling between your joints. It may be possible that this coiling takeoff results in a much stronger contraction, but the effect would be neural not a physical change in myosin filaments.
Exactly^^^
That twist stresses the CNS into better recruitment since there will be an increased tension generated by the twist.
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relax with dumb posts like this. im literally ready to ban you over this dumb post..
area51 can't replicate t-dub's athleticism? either can golden child, young hollywood, air up there, etc?
Then delete the thread that belongs in Hall of Fame. I got everything I need from it. I have probably discovered the best exercise for developing full body elasticity (still thinking how to make it even better).
You only have to perform his technique to feel how much torque your putting through the body. IT WORKS MAN. Wouldn't say it, wouldn't include it in my program if not.
(http://i.imgur.com/zP3tD.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/B80g6.png)
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Next time you watch the Rucker Park NYC dunk vid, think about the yellow rod in the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNvi1kdo4Wg
^^^
That twist stresses the CNS into better recruitment since there will be an increased tension generated by the twist.
(http://i.imgur.com/B80g6.png)
^^^
“Muscular force is generated by actin and myosin filaments overlapping each other and forming cross-bridges…once the actin and myosin filaments have maximally overlapped, more tension can be realized by spiralling of the myosin filaments. A change in the length of the pitch of the actin helix may also boost force production during a very intense muscular contraction. Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted…it enables the muscle to store high amounts of elastic energy as the descending weight stretches the bands and the twists in the bands on the way down.”
Perfect exercise.
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Let me just clear things up for everyone.
Quote actually isn't made up; it was taken by Pavel Tsatsouline in a magazine publication.
there's no way pavel wrote that idiotic paragraph
This actually does have an effect on jumping and in TDub's plant, but not as SV understands it. Try this simple exercise to understand what Pavel was talking about. Take your right foot and place it against something with a corner/wedge. It could be a dresser,table leg, wall, pole etc. Now keep the gap between your big toe and the rest of your toes between the wedge. Generate force downwards(maximally or sub maximally is irrelevant) and notice the tension in the lower leg complex. Now try it again but this time induce a clockwise twist and notice you are creating more tension. TDub's ability to do this is aided greatly by the fact that he is HEAVILY pigeon-toed. This "elastic winding" is especially prominent in athlete's whose knees come close together in a bilateral plant.
What SV seems to confuse as elastic winding is TDub's ability to convert horizontal momentum into vertical momentum. He twists his body in such a way that he may approach the rim at nearly full speed without losing momentum into his plant. This has nothing to do with elastic winding and is simply instinctual preservation of momentum.
i'll never be able to do that because i dunk cockeye'd, LR plant with righty dunks.. same reason we rarely see aut/gc taking off from tdub-like distance, if they were lefty's they'd be able to do it.
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there's no way Pavel wrote that idiotic paragraph.
Guyton (1984) speculated that once the actin and myosin filaments have maximally overlapped, more tension can be realized by spiralling of the myosin filaments. A change in the length of the pitch of the actin helix may also boost force production during a very intense muscular contraction (Verkhoshansky & Siff, 1996). Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted.
(added to OP).
Let me just clear things up for everyone.
Quote actually isn't made up; it was taken by Pavel Tsatsouline in a magazine publication.
TDub's ability to do this is aided greatly by the fact that he is HEAVILY pigeon-toed. This "elastic winding" is especially prominent in athlete's whose knees come close together in a bilateral plant.
The pigeon-toed comment is interesting. I never noticed him being pigeon-toed in the slo-mo. What happens with guys who are pigeon-toed is they create more torsion/tension in the body. It builds more energy.
Could that be a result of all the twisting from dunkin' or is it genetic?.
What SV seems to confuse as elastic winding is TDub's ability to convert horizontal momentum into vertical momentum. He twists his body in such a way that he may approach the rim at nearly full speed without losing momentum into his plant. This has nothing to do with elastic winding and is simply instinctual preservation of momentum.
I disagree.
There is a huge elastic element to T-DUB's dunkin'. It's not purely based on momentum. One look at the Rucker Park NYC dunk vid at 0:23 will tell you that.
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The Catapult Mechanism: Elastic Recoil of Fascial Tissues.
Kangaroos can hop much farther and faster than can be explained by the force of the contraction of their leg muscles. Under closer scrutiny, scientists discovered that a spring -like action is behind the unique ability: the so-called catapult mechanism (Kram & Dawson 1998). Here the tendons and the fascia of the legs are tensioned like elastic bands. The release of this stored energy is what makes the amazing hops possible. Hardy surprising, scientist thereafter found the same mechanism is also used by gazelles. These animals are also capable of per-forming impressive leaping as well as running, though their musculature is not especially powerful. On the contrary, gazelles are generally considered to be rather delicate, making the springy ease of their incredible jumps all the more interesting.
Fascia expresses a significant increased elastic storage capacity (how much is still not truly known).
How is it developed?.
One way is preparatory counter-movement. "Multidirectional movements, with slight changes in angle are utilized; this might include sideways or diagonal movement variations as well as spiralling rotations. With this method, large areas of the fascial network are simultaneously involved".
Now I can truly see why T-DUBS movement is a perfect dunkin' exercise. It's full body.
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The Catapult Mechanism: Elastic Recoil of Fascial Tissues.
Kangaroos can hop much farther and faster than can be explained by the force of the contraction of their leg muscles. Under closer scrutiny, scientists discovered that a spring -like action is behind the unique ability: the so-called catapult mechanism (Kram & Dawson 1998). Here the tendons and the fascia of the legs are tensioned like elastic bands. The release of this stored energy is what makes the amazing hops possible. Hardy surprising, scientist thereafter found the same mechanism is also used by gazelles. These animals are also capable of per-forming impressive leaping as well as running, though their musculature is not especially powerful. On the contrary, gazelles are generally considered to be rather delicate, making the springy ease of their incredible jumps all the more interesting.
Fascia expresses a significant increased elastic storage capacity (how much is still not truly known).
How is it developed?.
One way is preparatory counter-movement. "Multidirectional movements, with slight changes in angle are utilized; this might include sideways or diagonal movement variations as well as spiralling rotations. With this method, large areas of the fascial network are simultaneously involved".
Now I can truly see why T-DUBS movement is a perfect dunkin' exercise. It's full body.
(added to OP).
Where is that quoted from?
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This comes from an advertisement not scientific study:
www.somatics.de/FascialFitnessTerraRosa.pdf
The advertisement is pretty dishonest as well. Kram and Dawson's paper is about whether hopping is favourable in arid climates, their paper never mentions the word catapult, nor do they mention gazelles. The statement is quite silly because most mammals (including humans) can jump farther than can be explained by just the force of muscular contraction. This is why we jump father after an approach, we are able to store energy in our tendons. This is why plyometric training in addition to strength training allows people to jump higher.
If you believe that this tdubs athlete is able to jump high because of some technical prowess that is fine. But to claim he is able to twist his myosin filaments and then severely misquote an advertisement which severely misquotes some scientific papers is unnecessary and does a disservice to those who read your posts.
It also makes people refuse to consider the possibility that this athletes take off mechanics allow him to store more energy from his approach, something which is entirely possible. However, I will tell you that I have extensively studied long jump mechanics and even written papers concerning the long jump and that Carl Lewis and Mike Powell both jump close to 30 feet and have drastically different takeoff mechanics and takeoff velocity. So even if this athlete uses this take off to achieve his high leap, it does not suggest at all that this is the only way to do it.
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This comes from an advertisement not scientific study:
www.somatics.de/FascialFitnessTerraRosa.pdf
The advertisement is pretty dishonest as well. Kram and Dawson's paper is about whether hopping is favourable in arid climates, their paper never mentions the word catapult, nor do they mention gazelles. The statement is quite silly because most mammals (including humans) can jump farther than can be explained by just the force of muscular contraction. This is why we jump father after an approach, we are able to store energy in our tendons. This is why plyometric training in addition to strength training allows people to jump higher.
If you believe that this tdubs athlete is able to jump high because of some technical prowess that is fine. But to claim he is able to twist his myosin filaments and then severely misquote an advertisement which severely misquotes some scientific papers is unnecessary and does a disservice to those who read your posts.
It also makes people refuse to consider the possibility that this athletes take off mechanics allow him to store more energy from his approach, something which is entirely possible. However, I will tell you that I have extensively studied long jump mechanics and even written papers concerning the long jump and that Carl Lewis and Mike Powell both jump close to 30 feet and have drastically different takeoff mechanics and takeoff velocity. So even if this athlete uses this take off to achieve his high leap, it does not suggest at all that this is the only way to do it.
The source states; 'Here the tendons and the fascia of the legs are tensioned like elastic bands. The release of this stored energy is what makes the amazing hops possible'. Its exactly what it says on the paper, a catapult mechanism. It's the exact same principal.
They didn't need to mention gazelles, they could have refereed to deer, proghorns, cheetahs, puma's etc which use the exact same mechanism. There all in the same boat as kangaroo's.
Can anyone give me the low down on T-DUBS plyometric & strength training program?. For me to add any exercise into my program, it has to be GREAT. The most recent addition is T-DUBS planting technique for 8-12 continuous reps (core compressed). Man, it's a killer. It's my core that takes the brunt but the plant/then change of direction/to plant etc has to be hitting the Achilles just the same.
I think comparing long jump to dunkin' is like apples & oranges. I think long jump is more horizontal force based where as dunkin' to be more vertical force. There is also the consideration of the run ups too.
Picture Carl Lewis at 27MPH at the free throw line trying to dunk. Even if he pulled off the dunk, he could really end up hurting himself.
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Yeah imagine a jumper trying to dunk. Totally horrible comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqymSa79vqg
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Totally horrible comparison.
+1.
Who would you say has the most elasticated Achilles tendons out of T-DUB & Conley? & reason why?, comparing that vid to the Rucker Park NYC dunk vid.
Including sprinters, long/triple jumpers, I think T-DUB could have the most elasticated Achilles tendons on the planet?. Doesn't mean he's going to run faster/jump farther but the way he springs off the ground is just incredible IMO. But it's a full body thing.
I whole heartedly believe it's more to do with his technique & dedication than anything else IMO, including any secondary exercise outside of dunkin'/even genetics. Just using your own bodyweight/forces can be enough resistance to produce awesome results, just add in great technique which complies with OP quote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui2_VKFnaF8
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Totally horrible comparison.
+1.
One of the funniest things I have seen in a while.
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Totally horrible comparison.
+1.
Who would you say has the most elasticated Achilles tendons out of T-DUB & Conley? & reason why?, comparing that vid to the Rucker Park NYC dunk vid.
so if t-dub has a 51" vert, and stefan holm has a 51" vert, or area-51 has a 51" vert, or even adam linkenauger has a 50" vert, why the god damn fuck do you keep idolizing t-dub compared to everyone else?
Including sprinters, long/triple jumpers, I think T-DUB could have the most elasticated Achilles tendons on the planet?. Doesn't mean he's going to run faster/jump farther but the way he springs off the ground is just incredible IMO. But it's a full body thing.
if he has the most "elasticated" (lmfao) tendons on the planet, then why do you keep referring to his style of plant? if t-dub is in fact more like a kangaroo, why does his plant matter at all? his plant becomes a biproduct of his genetic advantages, not the other way around.. his plant didn't create his freak-like tendons..... his freak-like tendons created his plant.
anyway.. t-dub is hardly the most reactive athlete on the planet, single leg jumper's with similar verts will ALWAYS win that battle.. t-dub is freaky strong & very reactive, sure, but "most elastic athlete on the planet" ? not even close.
I whole heartedly believe it's more to do with his technique & dedication than anything else IMO, including any secondary exercise outside of dunkin'/even genetics. Just using your own bodyweight/forces can be enough resistance to produce awesome results, just add in great technique which complies with OP quote.
oh ok, you just answered my above question.. his technique and dedication formed his tendon length, tendon insertions, and fiber composition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui2_VKFnaF8
why do you keep linking that boingscam video, we get it aready, relax.
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This comes from an advertisement not scientific study:
www.somatics.de/FascialFitnessTerraRosa.pdf
The advertisement is pretty dishonest as well. Kram and Dawson's paper is about whether hopping is favourable in arid climates, their paper never mentions the word catapult, nor do they mention gazelles. The statement is quite silly because most mammals (including humans) can jump farther than can be explained by just the force of muscular contraction. This is why we jump father after an approach, we are able to store energy in our tendons. This is why plyometric training in addition to strength training allows people to jump higher.
If you believe that this tdubs athlete is able to jump high because of some technical prowess that is fine. But to claim he is able to twist his myosin filaments and then severely misquote an advertisement which severely misquotes some scientific papers is unnecessary and does a disservice to those who read your posts.
It also makes people refuse to consider the possibility that this athletes take off mechanics allow him to store more energy from his approach, something which is entirely possible. However, I will tell you that I have extensively studied long jump mechanics and even written papers concerning the long jump and that Carl Lewis and Mike Powell both jump close to 30 feet and have drastically different takeoff mechanics and takeoff velocity. So even if this athlete uses this take off to achieve his high leap, it does not suggest at all that this is the only way to do it.
good post.
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made some gif's to include in my posts from now on..
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made some gif's to include in my posts from now on..
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lmao, WOW. thats INSANE......
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made some gif's to include in my posts from now on..
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lmao, WOW. thats INSANE......
yup... those are some of his most insane jumps, he has more of course, but that two hander never left my mind it's one of the most insane jumps ever.
imagine if he coiled properly though.. he's not properly twisting his actin/myosin fibers into a helix, his triptonin could be better utilized.
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so if t-dub has a 51" vert, and stefan holm has a 51" vert, or area-51 has a 51" vert, or even adam linkenauger has a 50" vert, why the god damn fuck do you keep idolizing t-dub compared to everyone else?.
If they all have 51' verts fair enough but I still believe T-DUB possesses the better athleticism & elastic energy which separates him from the rest. Like I have said, how he goes about doing this 'I believe' lays a lot to his technique/the elastic energy being produced/developed just from dunkin' & his single-minded dedication, more than genetics.
if he has the most "elasticated" (lmfao) tendons on the planet, then why do you keep referring to his style of plant? if t-dub is in fact more like a kangaroo, why does his plant matter at all? his plant becomes a biproduct of his genetic advantages, not the other way around.. his plant didn't create his freak-like tendons..... his freak-like tendons created his plant.
anyway.. t-dub is hardly the most reactive athlete on the planet, single leg jumper's with similar verts will ALWAYS win that battle.. t-dub is freaky strong & very reactive, sure, but "most elastic athlete on the planet" ? not even close.
I keep referring to his style of plant because it puts a greater coil/torque through the whole body. I'm witness to this having included it my own program & it will stay, I believe it is that good.
I disagree with you saying, 'his plant didn't create his freak-like tendons' & it's just genetics. Tendons have to be developed like everything else.
T-DUB IMO is certainly up there as one of the most elastic athletes on the planet.
High Jump World Record 2.45 - Javier Sotomayor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM24YXSpidU
Does anyone else see the similarities between T-DUB & Sotomayor's plant/coil/angles?.
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so if t-dub has a 51" vert, and stefan holm has a 51" vert, or area-51 has a 51" vert, or even adam linkenauger has a 50" vert, why the god damn fuck do you keep idolizing t-dub compared to everyone else?.
If they all have 51' verts fair enough but I still believe T-DUB possesses the better athleticism & elastic energy which separates him from the rest. Like I have said, how he goes about doing this 'I believe' lays a lot to his technique/the elastic energy being produced/developed just from dunkin' & his single-minded dedication, more than genetics.
if he has the most "elasticated" (lmfao) tendons on the planet, then why do you keep referring to his style of plant? if t-dub is in fact more like a kangaroo, why does his plant matter at all? his plant becomes a biproduct of his genetic advantages, not the other way around.. his plant didn't create his freak-like tendons..... his freak-like tendons created his plant.
anyway.. t-dub is hardly the most reactive athlete on the planet, single leg jumper's with similar verts will ALWAYS win that battle.. t-dub is freaky strong & very reactive, sure, but "most elastic athlete on the planet" ? not even close.
I keep referring to his style of plant because it puts a greater coil/torque through the whole body. I'm witness to this having included it my own program & it will stay, I believe it is that good.
I disagree with you saying, 'his plant didn't create his freak-like tendons' & it's just genetics. Tendons have to be developed like everything else.
T-DUB IMO is certainly up there as one of the most elastic athletes on the planet.
High Jump World Record 2.45 - Javier Sotomayor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM24YXSpidU
Does anyone else see the similarities between T-DUB & Sotomayor's plant/coil/angles?.
anyone see the similarities between this girl's plant/coil/angles?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk2P_VuzlGo
look at her foot, its perpendicular to the direction of the bar, just like how t-dub plants...
anyone ever notice how every high jumper plants like that, even really crappy ones who can't jump? i think im on to something.
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it's all vector math.. just add up the vectors.
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it's all vector math.. just add up the vectors.
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WHO THE HELL IS THAT DOING THAT TWO HANDER?!?!
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it's all vector math.. just add up the vectors.
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WHO THE HELL IS THAT DOING THAT TWO HANDER?!?!
golden child dude........ kevin kemp.
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Honestly, no. I don't see much similarity to a high jumper jumping off one leg and the other video. High jumpers have to turn their body cause they flop! You do realize that right?
Anyway...there isn't much point to responding to this thread... but please notice that you summed up your point really succinctly in your last post. First people pointed out the flaws with what you offered up as research to support your argument. Then you were presented with multiple athletes who all perform the same activity (two footed jump) equally well and you responded with:
"I still believe T-DUB possesses the better athleticism & elastic energy which separates him from the rest"
In the end your whole argument comes down to this. You believe he is better than the rest (for no measurable reason) and therefore his technique is better. In the best case this is harmless. You might continue to train and keep your focus on getting stronger, leaner, and more dynamic while also spending a few minutes of your training sessions trying to emulate how Tdub jumps. If you follow this course you will no doubt jump higher and whether or not your ascribe a large part of your improvement to copying his technique doesn't really matter.
However... That's the best case. I am no expert on vertical jump improvement but I have seen so many athletes have their block start simply ruined by the same line of thinking you are displaying. All too often, whether it's Asafa Powell's toe drag or Maurice Greene's low block position, any idiosyncrasy displayed by an elite athlete is analyzed by idiot coaches and determined to be beneficial and then copied by athletes all around. When the mechanical change is small (ie. Michael Jordans tounge wag) usually the effect is small. But when athletes to completely retool their start to look more some elite athlete the effect is never positive. Asafa Powell has probably been dragging his toe for twenty years. It doesn't help him, but he is probably so used to his movement pattern that it doesn't hurt him much either. Although I have never really trained for vertical specifically, I think I am pretty safe to assume that the main ingredients for speed and vertical are the same:
A) Be really strong
B) Be really light (relative to A)
C) Be really reactive
Asafa drags his toe but Maurice Greene doesn't. But they both accomplish A,B,and C better REALLY well. Tdub has this strange takeoff. The other examples presented to you do not. But again; they all accomplish A,B, and C REALLY well. In fact you won't find a elite counterexample for A B and C! That alone should be reason enough to focus on those. Get A,B and C down. Getting A B and C down might even change your mechanics such that you jump in a mechanically unique way which favors your body. In the meantime try to let your progress get derailed by over analysis. Good luck!
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^^^^
btw michael jordan tongue wag is very relevant.. good point. that's what this whole thread reminds me of, michael jordan's tongue wag....... someone sees it, thinks it's some kind of incredible missing ingredient, then goes on a tear implementing it/trying to convince others to implement it. tyson gay sticks out his tongue while sprinting 100m's, maybe sprinters could improve by mimicking his tongue wag, which he obviously got from jordan..
it all makes 0 sense.
t-dub plants the way he does because of a few things:
1. the way he's built (tendons/leverages etc)
2. his strength
3. his speed (which he can use because of his strength)
4. his 'style' (RL plant righty dunk, high speed)
instead some people are trying to act as if a guy who seems to have grown up in the hood & could 540 at age 14-15, is somehow consciously trying to apply advanced kinesiology/physiology/neuromuscular concepts to his jump..
to sickenin vendetta's defense, this is alot better than the pedal stroke threads.
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This comes from an advertisement not scientific study:
www.somatics.de/FascialFitnessTerraRosa.pdf
The advertisement is pretty dishonest as well. Kram and Dawson's paper is about whether hopping is favourable in arid climates, their paper never mentions the word catapult, nor do they mention gazelles. The statement is quite silly because most mammals (including humans) can jump farther than can be explained by just the force of muscular contraction. This is why we jump father after an approach, we are able to store energy in our tendons. This is why plyometric training in addition to strength training allows people to jump higher.
If you believe that this tdubs athlete is able to jump high because of some technical prowess that is fine. But to claim he is able to twist his myosin filaments and then severely misquote an advertisement which severely misquotes some scientific papers is unnecessary and does a disservice to those who read your posts.
It also makes people refuse to consider the possibility that this athletes take off mechanics allow him to store more energy from his approach, something which is entirely possible. However, I will tell you that I have extensively studied long jump mechanics and even written papers concerning the long jump and that Carl Lewis and Mike Powell both jump close to 30 feet and have drastically different takeoff mechanics and takeoff velocity. So even if this athlete uses this take off to achieve his high leap, it does not suggest at all that this is the only way to do it.
AND ONE.
Got any links to papers?
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Honestly, no. I don't see much similarity to a high jumper jumping off one leg and the other video. High jumpers have to turn their body cause they flop! You do realize that right?.
I just find it interesting that both high jumpers & T-DUB plant around 90° to the target (bar/basket). There must be something in it?.
btw michael jordan tongue wag is very relevant.. good point. that's what this whole thread reminds me of, michael jordan's tongue wag....... someone sees it, thinks it's some kind of incredible missing ingredient, then goes on a tear implementing it/trying to convince others to implement it. tyson gay sticks out his tongue while sprinting 100m's, maybe sprinters could improve by mimicking his tongue wag, which he obviously got from jordan.
it all makes 0 sense.
It's all to do with oral facial drivers which are said to be generators of hidden strength.
Original Link: http://www.google.com/search?q=oral+facial+drivers+hidden+strength&hl=en&biw=990&bih=577&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs=
Tyson Gay also does something with his eyes.
I have also discovered a link between wide nostrils & speed which I don't think nobody else has discovered.
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I have also discovered a link between wide nostrils & speed which I don't think nobody else has discovered.
bwahahahaha, how can people not appreciate this! sickninvendetta >
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I have also discovered a link between wide nostrils & speed which I don't think nobody else has discovered.
bwahahahaha, how can people not appreciate this! sickninvendetta >
x2, i giggled like a little girl when i read that.
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No high jumper I've seen plants his foot perpendicular to the bar, none of these videos showed that. Sotomayor's foot was 30 degrees + of the bar
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No high jumper I've seen plants his foot perpendicular to the bar, none of these videos showed that. Sotomayor's foot was 30 degrees + of the bar
http://www.adarq.org/forum/crazy-weird-analysis-stuff-)/galleries-high-jumpers/
perhaps our perception of perpendicular is different.. if the bar is north, the foot is pointing nearly west.
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I don't care if $ick3nin.v3nd3tta is just a troll. The guy is one of the dumbest people on this forum regardless of his intentions. No one with even half a brain can willingly act as stupid as him.
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No high jumper I've seen plants his foot perpendicular to the bar, none of these videos showed that. Sotomayor's foot was 30 degrees + of the bar
http://www.adarq.org/forum/crazy-weird-analysis-stuff-)/galleries-high-jumpers/
perhaps our perception of perpendicular is different.. if the bar is north, the foot is pointing nearly west.
Ok, I would call that parallel to/with the bar but same thing. Definitely different though since TDUB rotates in the opposite direction a righty high jumper would.
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If somebody drops a still of Sotomayor's plant, you will find it's 90° to the bar (maybe more). He twists his torso even more but can't create the same torque which T-DUB does.
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Maybe but it's different because he rotates in the direction of his plant in relation tot he bar. So if he's a lefty, jumps on left foot, it's pointed left, he rotates left. TDUB plants right, but rotates left. So it's a completely different comparison
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0:52.
Kinda cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOyDKzxvLbA
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0:52.
EXTREMELY FU*KING STUPID.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOyDKzxvLbA
fixed.
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“Muscular force is generated by actin and myosin filaments overlapping each other and forming cross-bridges…once the actin and myosin filaments have maximally overlapped, more tension can be realized by spiralling of the myosin filaments. A change in the length of the pitch of the actin helix may also boost force production during a very intense muscular contraction. Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted…it enables the muscle to store high amounts of elastic energy as the descending weight stretches the bands and the twists in the bands on the way down.”
Absolute genius. 2011 WC.
Bam.
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I can tell you one thing (as far as my recent injury):
YOU DON'T WANT ANY TWIST WHEN SQUATTING
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this whole thread is a laugh riot
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I can tell you one thing (as far as my recent injury):
YOU DON'T WANT ANY TWIST WHEN SQUATTING
yup, sickenin is basically trying to injure people on this forum.
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A few cool pics which represent.
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^^^^^
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^^^ Not a true representation of elastic winding, coiling, T-DUBS planting technique/ or thread.
Is it even a true representation of his training program?.
Numbers?.
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:uhhhfacepalm:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chx_qCAouf4
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Notice how much winding/twisting torque is going through his Achilles tendons when he plants his feet. Coiling/twisting increases elastic energy through spiralling of the myosin filaments. Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted…it enables the muscle to store high amounts of elastic energy as the descending weight stretches the bands and the twists in the bands on the way down.
T-DUB's coiled plant now hidden from view in Rucker Park NYC dunk vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui2_VKFnaF8
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Plant now hidden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui2_VKFnaF8
Check new OP vid.
ZOMFG , please tell me you don't mean they have hidden it to prevent the ultimate twisting plant secret from being spread?
Even if this was the only tdub video available , that preorder text that hides the plant HAS AN (X) BUTTON , LMFAO!
im quoting this just so you can't delete it.
hahahahaaa , good job $ick3nin.v3nd3tta , you really showed them this time!!!
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ZOMFG , please tell me you don't mean they have hidden it to prevent the ultimate twisting plant secret from being spread?.
Even if this was the only tdub video available , that preorder text that hides the plant HAS AN (X) BUTTON.
Yup. They covered over his plant.
Not everybody is gonna find the X button. You have to put the cursor over it first.
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ZOMFG , please tell me you don't mean they have hidden it to prevent the ultimate twisting plant secret from being spread?.
Even if this was the only tdub video available , that preorder text that hides the plant HAS AN (X) BUTTON.
Yup. They covered over his plant.
Not everybody is gonna find the X button. You have to put the cursor over it first.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Told ya it was secret. Who's laughing now? :wowthatwasnutswtf:
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i just fu*king died laughing.. no joke.
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i bet you see a lot of black helicopters caring the illuminati leaders of the new world order dontcha sicknin?
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“Learn avidly. Question repeatedly what you have learned. Analyze it carefully. Then put what you have learned into practice intelligently."
— Confucius —
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"But you have never felt the burn that you get in the hip flexors from pulling back on the pedal stroke, you have never done the exercise in your life. Squatting ain't doing shit for your hip flexors blu." -- sickenin vendetta.
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i bet you see a lot of black helicopters caring the illuminati leaders of the new world order dontcha sicknin?
I'm not really into the NWO theory. I'm into the Jack the Ripper mystery though. Just read there is a new theory regarding who Jack the Ripper might have been, seems plausible to me.
Suspects have ranged from a member of Royal Family to a local butcher – but it is now claimed that Jack the Ripper was the very detective who led the hunt for the killer.
Check it out.
http://www.adarq.org/forum/politics-news-and-sheeit/conspiracy-theory-thread/msg60495/#msg60495
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relax with dumb posts like this. im literally ready to ban you over this dumb post..
area51 can't replicate t-dub's athleticism? either can golden child, young hollywood, air up there, etc?
Then delete the thread that belongs in Hall of Fame. I got everything I need from it. I have probably discovered the best exercise for developing full body elasticity (still thinking how to make it even better).
You only have to perform his technique to feel how much torque your putting through the body. IT WORKS MAN. Wouldn't say it, wouldn't include it in my program if not.
I actually miss this dude. At least his posts were funny horseshit and not unfunny horseshit.
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The nostalgy hit you and you decided to re-read this thread?
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The nostalgy hit you and you decided to re-read this thread?
This thread was on top, with this in it......
If you're getting pain, have surgery.
so instead of gouging myself in the eyes, I clicked on this one.
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this thread is still alive? did i miss anything good?
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winding and coiling in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAxgpHWtLC0