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Performance Area => Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion => Topic started by: D4 on April 15, 2011, 03:23:19 pm
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Obviously for lower body, squatting is most essential.
But for Upper body I've been doing Bench Press and Pull Ups to target my chest/back/arms. Are there other exercises you guys know that can replace Bench pressing or Pull Ups that will carryover to basketball better?
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Overhead press
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Just get stronger in general in your upperbody. If you shoot correctly your power should come from your lower body. You'll develop more range by practicing. Lifting isn't going to help with that.
Get stronger in these 4 movements and that will help you.
Horizontal Pushing (bench press, dumbbell bench, etc)
Vertical Pushing (overhead pressing)
Horizontal Pulling (rows)
Vertical Pulling (pullups, chinups, pulldowns)
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I would suggest try to do basketball type moves with resistance. Like, my Dad and I made this thing in my garage that worked pretty well. It was a basketball inside of a sand bag, and the sand bag had a rope tied to it that went up through a pulley, then down to the ground where we could hang weights on it. You could set the initial height of the ball by looping the rope around the weights. Then jump up and grab the ball like a rebound and pull it down to your chest like coming down in traffic with the ball. I think it worked great, and my hands and fingers got really strong. I got used to grabbing the ball out of the air with force instead of just touching it.
Another cool thing we made was to strengthen your forearms. It's super easy to make too. Just get a broom handle (or like piece of wood) tie a rope to it, then hang a milk jug off the other end. With both hands, roll up the jug, then back down. Add sand to the jug (or water) for more weight. Don't need much weight either. That is great for adding some range to your shot or having the strength to shoot off balance or after contact.
Something else that is great for shoulders and hand strength is do passing drills with a medicine ball. Once you practice passing and catching a 10 lbs ball, a basketball feels like a nerf ball!
All of those directly relate to a specific activity you might encounter during a game.
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Just get stronger in general in your upperbody. If you shoot correctly your power should come from your lower body. You'll develop more range by practicing. Lifting isn't going to help with that.
Get stronger in these 4 movements and that will help you.
Horizontal Pushing (bench press, dumbbell bench, etc)
Vertical Pushing (overhead pressing)
Horizontal Pulling (rows)
Vertical Pulling (pullups, chinups, pulldowns)
I don't have a problem with shooting and range... My shooting power comes from my legs and technique. I was just talking about what exercises should I invest my time on as a basketball player, since upper body strength is important as well.
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I don't have a problem with shooting and range... My shooting power comes from my legs and technique. I was just talking about what exercises should I invest my time on as a basketball player, since upper body strength is important as well.
Your power should come from your legs (on your typical shot). But, what about if you have to shoot over the top of someone and you have to shoot at the top of your jump? Or if you get bumped and you are falling down? Or if you get a board and go back up and someone gets a piece of the ball as you are jumping?
You need additional strength to power through those situations.
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I don't have a problem with shooting and range... My shooting power comes from my legs and technique. I was just talking about what exercises should I invest my time on as a basketball player, since upper body strength is important as well.
Your power should come from your legs (on your typical shot). But, what about if you have to shoot over the top of someone and you have to shoot at the top of your jump? Or if you get bumped and you are falling down? Or if you get a board and go back up and someone gets a piece of the ball as you are jumping?
You need additional strength to power through those situations.
Lol, I agree with what you're saying, I never said the opposite -.-
I'm just asking, are there better basketball carryover exercises I should replace Bench Press and Pull Ups with, or are those the best for upper body. When I say basketball carryover, I'm not talking about more strength for shooting, my shooting is more than fine right now.
I would suggest try to do basketball type moves with resistance. Like, my Dad and I made this thing in my garage that worked pretty well. It was a basketball inside of a sand bag, and the sand bag had a rope tied to it that went up through a pulley, then down to the ground where we could hang weights on it. You could set the initial height of the ball by looping the rope around the weights. Then jump up and grab the ball like a rebound and pull it down to your chest like coming down in traffic with the ball. I think it worked great, and my hands and fingers got really strong. I got used to grabbing the ball out of the air with force instead of just touching it.
Another cool thing we made was to strengthen your forearms. It's super easy to make too. Just get a broom handle (or like piece of wood) tie a rope to it, then hang a milk jug off the other end. With both hands, roll up the jug, then back down. Add sand to the jug (or water) for more weight. Don't need much weight either. That is great for adding some range to your shot or having the strength to shoot off balance or after contact.
Something else that is great for shoulders and hand strength is do passing drills with a medicine ball. Once you practice passing and catching a 10 lbs ball, a basketball feels like a nerf ball!
All of those directly relate to a specific activity you might encounter during a game.
Those are very movement specific and sounds like fun, but I'm just looking to see if I should stick to Bench Press and Pull Ups or not.
Overhead press
Why Overhead Press? Why is this better than bench press. And If I do this OH press, wouldn't I be neglecting my chest, as it is a shoulder workout?
(Maybe I'm wrong, Im unfamiliar with OH presses)
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Oh, OK. :huh:
I think you're over thinking it a bit. Can't go wrong with Bench and Pullups. They hit every muscle group in the upper body. OH press is a little more basketball specific because you don't use your chest that much while playing. But you use the hell out of your tris and shoulders. However, bench press hits those muscles as well.
I guess it comes down to what your body responds better too. But if you're not comfortable/familiar with OH press, stick with bench press. I don't think it will matter much.
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Just get stronger in general in your upperbody. If you shoot correctly your power should come from your lower body. You'll develop more range by practicing. Lifting isn't going to help with that.
Get stronger in these 4 movements and that will help you.
Horizontal Pushing (bench press, dumbbell bench, etc)
Vertical Pushing (overhead pressing)
Horizontal Pulling (rows)
Vertical Pulling (pullups, chinups, pulldowns)
I don't have a problem with shooting and range... My shooting power comes from my legs and technique. I was just talking about what exercises should I invest my time on as a basketball player, since upper body strength is important as well.
You're never really using upperbody strength in basketball besides maybe some horizontal pushing when someone is backing you down. Just do the general lifts and put on muscle mass, which would help you.
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You're never really using upperbody strength in basketball besides maybe some horizontal pushing when someone is backing you down.
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You're never really using upperbody strength in basketball besides maybe some horizontal pushing when someone is backing you down.
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Give me some situations where you use it
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You're never really using upperbody strength in basketball besides maybe some horizontal pushing when someone is backing you down.
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Give me some situations where you use it
Passing, dribbling, rebounding, blocking shots, maneuvering defenders, fighting through picks, stealing passes, defending in the post with arm extended, boxing out, denying passes in 1 on 1 defending situations in the post, and most importantly...slapping five with your teammates after above average plays! There's probably more, this is just off the top of my head posted in about a minute or two of thinkin' about it.
If you're not utilizing all the upper body strength that you have, you're not playing basketball to your bodies fullest ability. When you're done playing, you should be totally fatigued from top to bottom or you didn't try hard enough. Simple as that.
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None of those improve with increased upper body strength besides defending the post (like I said before). Think about it some more. Bigger guys can dominate due to their mass, not strength. Best way to put on mass is to eat a lot and do regular compounds.
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None of those improve with increased upper body strength besides defending the post (like I said before). Think about it some more. Bigger guys can dominate due to their mass, not strength. Best way to put on mass is to eat a lot and do regular compounds.
I can't tell if you're serious or just yankin' my leg now.
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Explain how increasing your strength improves all of those things. You can't. I'm being 100% serious. You are never pushing someone with your hands in basketball, you are never pulling heavy things, you are never pushing heavy things. Think about it.
Being a "banger" has to do with mass, not strength.
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Explain how increasing your strength improves all of those things. You can't. I'm being 100% serious. You are never pushing someone with your hands in basketball, you are never pulling heavy things, you are never pushing heavy things. Think about it.
Being a "banger" has to do with mass, not strength.
I guess I just played in more physically competitive leagues and pick-up than you do. I've never played in a game where I wasn't shoved or shoved back. Do you not use your arms to help gain position for rebounding? Does strength not help you hold on the ball better? Does it not help you throw it further on a pass? Can it not help you block a shot from a strong finisher? Does it not allow you to steal a ball from a strong dribbler or out of persons arms? What about jump-ball situations where you're tied up? It sure helps you rip the ball out. What about dribbling? Stronger your arms, the faster you can push the ball away to the ground and the faster it will come back to you. All that is upper body. There is a reason that hs/college/pro players don't -only- work out their legs and core. Upper body strength is very important in the game of basketball.
Sure, you don't need the same amount of strength that football players or hockey players may need. And you don't have to be a bodybuilder. But getting to an above average strength level for your body/physique can only help you. In fact, I don't know of a single way that you can't get an athletic advantage in basketball by being stronger in the upper body. If you work out hard, and practice basketball while working out to get stronger, there's absolutely no reason it should hurt your game at all.
I really don't see how you can say it won't help -any- of those situations I listed. Your reasoning for just saying it won't is beyond me. I'm not trying to be argumentative or a douchebag or anything, I just don't see it.
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Explain how increasing your strength improves all of those things. You can't. I'm being 100% serious. You are never pushing someone with your hands in basketball, you are never pulling heavy things, you are never pushing heavy things. Think about it.
Being a "banger" has to do with mass, not strength.
I guess I just played in more physically competitive leagues and pick-up than you do. I've never played in a game where I wasn't shoved or shoved back. Do you not use your arms to help gain position for rebounding? Does strength not help you hold on the ball better? Does it not help you throw it further on a pass? Can it not help you block a shot from a strong finisher? Does it not allow you to steal a ball from a strong dribbler or out of persons arms? What about jump-ball situations where you're tied up? It sure helps you rip the ball out. What about dribbling? Stronger your arms, the faster you can push the ball away to the ground and the faster it will come back to you. All that is upper body. There is a reason that hs/college/pro players don't -only- work out their legs and core. Upper body strength is very important in the game of basketball.
Sure, you don't need the same amount of strength that football players or hockey players may need. And you don't have to be a bodybuilder. But getting to an above average strength level for your body/physique can only help you. In fact, I don't know of a single way that you can't get an athletic advantage in basketball by being stronger in the upper body. If you work out hard, and practice basketball while working out to get stronger, there's absolutely no reason it should hurt your game at all.
I really don't see how you can say it won't help -any- of those situations I listed. Your reasoning for just saying it won't is beyond me. I'm not trying to be argumentative or a douchebag or anything, I just don't see it.
I agree 100%!
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Explain how increasing your strength improves all of those things. You can't. I'm being 100% serious. You are never pushing someone with your hands in basketball, you are never pulling heavy things, you are never pushing heavy things. Think about it.
Being a "banger" has to do with mass, not strength.
I guess I just played in more physically competitive leagues and pick-up than you do. I've never played in a game where I wasn't shoved or shoved back. Do you not use your arms to help gain position for rebounding? Does strength not help you hold on the ball better? Does it not help you throw it further on a pass? Can it not help you block a shot from a strong finisher? Does it not allow you to steal a ball from a strong dribbler or out of persons arms? What about jump-ball situations where you're tied up? It sure helps you rip the ball out. What about dribbling? Stronger your arms, the faster you can push the ball away to the ground and the faster it will come back to you. All that is upper body. There is a reason that hs/college/pro players don't -only- work out their legs and core. Upper body strength is very important in the game of basketball.
Sure, you don't need the same amount of strength that football players or hockey players may need. And you don't have to be a bodybuilder. But getting to an above average strength level for your body/physique can only help you. In fact, I don't know of a single way that you can't get an athletic advantage in basketball by being stronger in the upper body. If you work out hard, and practice basketball while working out to get stronger, there's absolutely no reason it should hurt your game at all.
I really don't see how you can say it won't help -any- of those situations I listed. Your reasoning for just saying it won't is beyond me. I'm not trying to be argumentative or a douchebag or anything, I just don't see it.
Nope. You're not getting it so I'm not even going to explain it. All of the relevant ones you said have to do due with mass, not strength. You're going to get much stronger by gaining that mass, obviously, but that's not the point.
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Nope. You're not getting it so I'm not even going to explain it.
Wow. You're really good at this. You still haven't given me anything to prove your point. You just keep saying "no, you're wrong" whenever I post an example.
All of the relevant ones you said have to do due with mass, not strength. You're going to get much stronger by gaining that mass, obviously, but that's not the point.
Mass and strength are not the same thing, I think we can agree on that. Mass doesn't equal strength, I think we can agree on that. Just because somebody is 300lbs doesn't mean they can pass it further than someone who is 200lbs but is stronger than the 300lb-er. The way I'm understanding you're example is that you're saying the 300lber, because of his mass, can pass it further than the 200lber regardless just because he is bigger. (I used passing in this because it is one of the examples I gave.) Strength definitely plays into each of the things I listed, and there is no doubt to that.
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I don't need to give you anything to prove my point because it's obvious. You want lower body strength and overall mass to outpower your opponents. Getting stronger to dribble faster? Really? You can dribble really fast through pracitce. Look at the and1 players. They are skinny and weak as shit. Passing? Look at steve nash. Practice. Swatting at the ball? Neither. Boxing out and backing down? lower body strength and overall mass. It's physics. Fighting through picks? Mass and speed. You can't push the guy out of the way with your hands. That's a foul.
I can go on and on, but it's retarded to do so. The ball is so light you don't need to be strong to play basketball. If being strong was so useful joey graham wouldn't be useless.
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I don't need to give you anything to prove my point because it's obvious. You want lower body strength and overall mass to outpower your opponents. Getting stronger to dribble faster? Really? You can dribble really fast through pracitce. Look at the and1 players. They are skinny and weak as shit. Passing? Look at steve nash. Practice. Swatting at the ball? Neither. Boxing out and backing down? lower body strength and overall mass. It's physics. Fighting through picks? Mass and speed. You can't push the guy out of the way with your hands. That's a foul.
I can go on and on, but it's retarded to do so. The ball is so light you don't need to be strong to play basketball. If being strong was so useful joey graham wouldn't be useless.
I never said you had to be strong to play basketball. And being strong doesn't equate to having basketball skill. I never said that. My -whole point- is that being stronger than you currently are DOES NOT HURT you in any way. It can ONLY make you better. As long as your skill level doesn't go down (aka you keep practicing to get better) and don't just stop playing to work out, then getting stronger can only enhance your game. So your Joey Graham comment is as useless as Joey Graham himself is.
And you're right about using your hands being a foul...if it was called. Did you play competitively after middle school? I honestly am just curious. Because just about every league I played in after that age group was extremely physical. The more competitive, the more physical. Watch a top HS game, a college game, an NBA game. They are very physical, and they use their upper bodies to gain advantages. In their basic meanings, yes, you should only use your legs to box out, in an actual game that you're competing against top-flight competition, you use your whole body. I'm not saying you should teach kids to use their arms, but the fact of the matter is that in the top-levels of the game it is a requirement.
So here's what I'm saying. I will agree with you that in general principal when teaching a kid, you should not use your upper body in most of those things (except passing, dribbling, etc when you have the ball), but as far as boxing out, rebounding, blocking shots, etc it is a requirement at the higher levels. You must play physically with your whole body or just get manhandled at the higher levels.
And your AND1 comment about dribblers being skinny, I guarantee you that they are stronger than the first time they touched the ball. Through repetition, through constant dribbling, etc their strength grew. Sure they didn't gain mass, but they got stronger with the ball. So my point is still valid, they got stronger over time through repetition (not weightlifting necessarily), but stronger nonetheless.
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BTW, I mean no disrespect by asking if you played after middle-school. I'm just honestly curious. No diss meant there.
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Yes I played middle school and high school. Everything you're saying is because of increased mass not upper body strength. We'll agree to disagree. I never said getting stronger was a bad thing.
And you're agreeing with me anyway. Get better at passing/dribbling/boxing out/swatting through practice, and leave the weight room to get better at compound lifts and eat enough to put on mass. Like I said in the original post
"Just get stronger in general in your upperbody. If you shoot correctly your power should come from your lower body. You'll develop more range by practicing. Lifting isn't going to help with that."
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Yes I played middle school and high school. Everything you're saying is because of increased mass not upper body strength. We'll agree to disagree. I never said getting stronger was a bad thing.
And you're agreeing with me anyway. Get better at passing/dribbling/boxing out/swatting through practice, and leave the weight room to get better at compound lifts and eat enough to put on mass. Like I said in the original post
"Just get stronger in general in your upperbody. If you shoot correctly your power should come from your lower body. You'll develop more range by practicing. Lifting isn't going to help with that."
Hey I was reading your back and forth with JelloPuddinPup, and I am legitimately interested in this topic because I have been wondering this same thing for a while now. So are you saying that, if there were 2 players, Players A and B with same skill set who both are 6'0" and 180lbs, but player A is 15% BF, while player B is 5% BF. And assuming they both have equal lower body strength/power, and the leaner player B is stronger as well (upper body), they will still be equal players?
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Yes I played middle school and high school. Everything you're saying is because of increased mass not upper body strength. We'll agree to disagree. I never said getting stronger was a bad thing.
And you're agreeing with me anyway. Get better at passing/dribbling/boxing out/swatting through practice, and leave the weight room to get better at compound lifts and eat enough to put on mass. Like I said in the original post
"Just get stronger in general in your upperbody. If you shoot correctly your power should come from your lower body. You'll develop more range by practicing. Lifting isn't going to help with that."
Hey I was reading your back and forth with JelloPuddinPup, and I am legitimately interested in this topic because I have been wondering this same thing for a while now. So are you saying that, if there were 2 players, Players A and B with same skill set who both are 6'0" and 180lbs, but player A is 15% BF, while player B is 5% BF. And assuming they both have equal lower body strength/power, and the leaner player B is stronger as well (upper body), they will still be equal players?
Whoever has the better skill set is the better player. That situation is never going to occur though. It's always better to be leaner.
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Yes I played middle school and high school. Everything you're saying is because of increased mass not upper body strength. We'll agree to disagree. I never said getting stronger was a bad thing.
And you're agreeing with me anyway. Get better at passing/dribbling/boxing out/swatting through practice, and leave the weight room to get better at compound lifts and eat enough to put on mass. Like I said in the original post
"Just get stronger in general in your upperbody. If you shoot correctly your power should come from your lower body. You'll develop more range by practicing. Lifting isn't going to help with that."
Hey I was reading your back and forth with JelloPuddinPup, and I am legitimately interested in this topic because I have been wondering this same thing for a while now. So are you saying that, if there were 2 players, Players A and B with same skill set who both are 6'0" and 180lbs, but player A is 15% BF, while player B is 5% BF. And assuming they both have equal lower body strength/power, and the leaner player B is stronger as well (upper body), they will still be equal players?
Whoever has the better skill set is the better player. That situation is never going to occur though. It's always better to be leaner.
.................................. you're completely missing my point
Okay, lets say 2 players 6'0" 180lbs / exactly equally skilled / same body composition / same lower body power
But player A can bench press 300 lbs, while player B can only bench 180lbs.
Does player A have an advantage in basketball over player B?
I ask this, since you said mass is what helps in basketball, not strength when it comes to upper body.
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Yes I played middle school and high school. Everything you're saying is because of increased mass not upper body strength. We'll agree to disagree. I never said getting stronger was a bad thing.
And you're agreeing with me anyway. Get better at passing/dribbling/boxing out/swatting through practice, and leave the weight room to get better at compound lifts and eat enough to put on mass. Like I said in the original post
"Just get stronger in general in your upperbody. If you shoot correctly your power should come from your lower body. You'll develop more range by practicing. Lifting isn't going to help with that."
Hey I was reading your back and forth with JelloPuddinPup, and I am legitimately interested in this topic because I have been wondering this same thing for a while now. So are you saying that, if there were 2 players, Players A and B with same skill set who both are 6'0" and 180lbs, but player A is 15% BF, while player B is 5% BF. And assuming they both have equal lower body strength/power, and the leaner player B is stronger as well (upper body), they will still be equal players?
Whoever has the better skill set is the better player. That situation is never going to occur though. It's always better to be leaner.
.................................. you're completely missing my point
Okay, lets say 2 players 6'0" 180lbs / exactly equally skilled / same body composition / same lower body power
But player A can bench press 300 lbs, while player B can only bench 180lbs.
Does player A have an advantage in basketball over player B?
I ask this, since you said mass is what helps in basketball, not strength when it comes to upper body.
Player B would be just as strong in real life. I'm not missing the point, you just changed the situation. But anyway, Player A isn't stronger than player B, he can just display his strength better on the bench press. They would be the same player.
I know what you're trying to ask me, but that situation is impossible. And if it did happen, it wouldn't make a difference. F=MA
This goes back to another thread, people don't realize that weight lifting isn't the only way to display strength. If 1 guy squats 500 pounds and another squats 450, that doesn't necessarily mean the guy who squats 500 pounds is stronger. Weight lifting is a sport in itself. There's skills you develop besides actual strength gains.
And to clear things up for the retarded, I'm not saying don't get stronger. Getting stronger and eating a lot is the best way to put on mass. They aren't mutually exclusive.
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JC if you understand what I'm trying to ask why aren't you just answering the question? How is this an impossible scenario? It may be unlikely but theoretically I'm just asking what the outcome would be?
TWO GUYS PLAYERS A ND B - COMPLETELY equal height/weight/lower body power/body composition/skills, however player A has significantly more upper body strength than player B. Who's the more effective player?
I didn't say strength from bench press, so please don't use your logic from before. Just assume player A has a lot more upper body strength. Who wins?
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Just assume player A has a lot more upper body strength. Who wins?
Who wins the game, a lot will depend on how good your team-mates are too.
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Just assume player A has a lot more upper body strength. Who wins?
Who wins the game, a lot will depend on how good your team-mates are too.
Is this a joke? I really think this is a joke, but just in-case you somehow are not joking, obviously I'm talking about who's the better player. I'm trying to understand JC's argument.
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JC if you understand what I'm trying to ask why aren't you just answering the question? How is this an impossible scenario? It may be unlikely but theoretically I'm just asking what the outcome would be?
TWO GUYS PLAYERS A ND B - COMPLETELY equal height/weight/lower body power/body composition/skills, however player A has significantly more upper body strength than player B. Who's the more effective player?
I didn't say strength from bench press, so please don't use your logic from before. Just assume player A has a lot more upper body strength. Who wins?
Player A wins by a slight margin
But it's still impossible.
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JC if you understand what I'm trying to ask why aren't you just answering the question? How is this an impossible scenario? It may be unlikely but theoretically I'm just asking what the outcome would be?
TWO GUYS PLAYERS A ND B - COMPLETELY equal height/weight/lower body power/body composition/skills, however player A has significantly more upper body strength than player B. Who's the more effective player?
I didn't say strength from bench press, so please don't use your logic from before. Just assume player A has a lot more upper body strength. Who wins?
Player A wins by a slight margin
But it's still impossible.
Not impossible, just unlikely. Didn't you just counter your own argument saying improved upper body strength doesn't matter as long as u have the mass?
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JC if you understand what I'm trying to ask why aren't you just answering the question? How is this an impossible scenario? It may be unlikely but theoretically I'm just asking what the outcome would be?
TWO GUYS PLAYERS A ND B - COMPLETELY equal height/weight/lower body power/body composition/skills, however player A has significantly more upper body strength than player B. Who's the more effective player?
I didn't say strength from bench press, so please don't use your logic from before. Just assume player A has a lot more upper body strength. Who wins?
Player A wins by a slight margin
But it's still impossible.
Not impossible, just unlikely. Didn't you just counter your own argument saying improved upper body strength doesn't matter as long as u have the mass?
No, it's impossible. And I said before there were some advantages to being stronger, so that's why player A wins by a slight margin.
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agree with the slight margin thing..u can go from 200lbs to 300lbs benching, but would it make any real difference in your game? Not really, help in same situations i guess, but if your really thinking your getting "better" by benching more your kind of mistaking. On the flip side, if your a weak dude putting on strength (and MASS like JC said) will make a huge difference.
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agree with the slight margin thing..u can go from 200lbs to 300lbs benching, but would it make any real difference in your game? Not really, help in same situations i guess, but if your really thinking your getting "better" by benching more your kind of mistaking. On the flip side, if your a weak dude putting on strength (and MASS like JC said) will make a huge difference.
Pretty true. I guess the bench will really just help with more full-court chest pass distance. I mean, what else? I bench for mass as well though, more upper body mass will probably help more than upper body strength at a certain point.
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agree with the slight margin thing..u can go from 200lbs to 300lbs benching, but would it make any real difference in your game? Not really, help in same situations i guess, but if your really thinking your getting "better" by benching more your kind of mistaking. On the flip side, if your a weak dude putting on strength (and MASS like JC said) will make a huge difference.
Pretty true. I guess the bench will really just help with more full-court chest pass distance. I mean, what else? I bench for mass as well though, more upper body mass will probably help more than upper body strength at a certain point.
I agree with you all. Reason for me posting this topic was, assuming we all agree upper body STRENGTH helps in basketball, are there better exercises that carryover to basketball better than Bench Pressing or Pull Ups?
Or is gaining upper body strength in general, through any exercises, the same thing?
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agree with the slight margin thing..u can go from 200lbs to 300lbs benching, but would it make any real difference in your game? Not really, help in same situations i guess, but if your really thinking your getting "better" by benching more your kind of mistaking. On the flip side, if your a weak dude putting on strength (and MASS like JC said) will make a huge difference.
Pretty true. I guess the bench will really just help with more full-court chest pass distance. I mean, what else? I bench for mass as well though, more upper body mass will probably help more than upper body strength at a certain point.
I agree with you all. Reason for me posting this topic was, assuming we all agree upper body STRENGTH helps in basketball, are there better exercises that carryover to basketball better than Bench Pressing or Pull Ups?
Or is gaining upper body strength in general, through any exercises, the same thing?
Push press will destroy bench press in terms of carry over to the game.
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This arguement is soo... Stupid!! I don't know a lot about lifting weights but I do know basketball. It all depends on the match up and skill level. If someones not basketball smart and doesnt know how to use there strength on the court it's not going to do them any good, and even if the do know how to use there strength, and the other persons more skilled and has a higher basketball iq, then they find ways to stop the stronger person. I'm 6'0" my husbands the same height, same reach. I weight 130lbs on a good day, he weights 222lbs and I murder him in basketball. He backs me down every time, but I must say my lower body strength helps in when he's backing me down. He's stronger, way bigger, but I'm just more skilled, and jump higher. When he backs me down. I sometimes let him go by me just to block his shot, I can't stop him from backing me down but being that I'm a ball player and he's just a big man who plays ball. I have the advantage! He's stronger, I'm more skilled, but if I was as strong as him with the skills I have, I'd really be a beast. So the moral of the story is Kevin derant would whip shaq in a game of 1 on 1. but if you gave derant shaq's strength he'd be like lebron, but I'd bet lebron would be Kevin because he's stronger and he's skilled. So if your skilled already that strength is only going to turn you into more of a beast. In a match up situation like skill over strength it sometimes come down to who gets the most touches. If neither one of you can stop the other when playing defense, then who ever can keep the ball in there hand the most wins. SIMPLE MATHMATICAL PROGRESSION
I know that's not the question you asked, just getting stronger period using bench press, ohp, squats, ... Etc then go out and do basketball exercises like rim touches and passes with the weight/medicine ball. Defensive slides with resistance band. Stuff like that, just come up with your own exercises and use weights and resistance when doing them, using basketball movements.
MAKE SENSE TO ME
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This arguement is soo... Stupid!! I don't know a lot about lifting weights but I do know basketball. It all depends on the match up and skill level. If someones not basketball smart and doesnt know how to use there strength on the court it's not going to do them any good, and even if the do know how to use there strength, and the other persons more skilled and has a higher basketball iq, then they find ways to stop the stronger person. I'm 6'0" my husbands the same height, same reach. I weight 130lbs on a good day, he weights 222lbs and I murder him in basketball. He backs me down every time, but I must say my lower body strength helps in when he's backing me down. He's stronger, way bigger, but I'm just more skilled, and jump higher. When he backs me down. I sometimes let him go by me just to block his shot, I can't stop him from backing me down but being that I'm a ball player and he's just a big man who plays ball. I have the advantage! He's stronger, I'm more skilled, but if I was as strong as him with the skills I have, I'd really be a beast. So the moral of the story is Kevin derant would whip shaq in a game of 1 on 1. but if you gave derant shaq's strength he'd be like lebron, but I'd bet lebron would be Kevin because he's stronger and he's skilled. So if your skilled already that strength is only going to turn you into more of a beast. In a match up situation like skill over strength it sometimes come down to who gets the most touches. If neither one of you can stop the other when playing defense, then who ever can keep the ball in there hand the most wins. SIMPLE MATHMATICAL PROGRESSION
I know that's not the question you asked, just getting stronger period using bench press, ohp, squats, ... Etc then go out and do basketball exercises like rim touches and passes with the weight/medicine ball. Defensive slides with resistance band. Stuff like that, just come up with your own exercises and use weights and resistance when doing them, using basketball movements.
MAKE SENSE TO ME
It's Kevin Durant, and giving him Lebron's strength will not make him up to par with Lebron, he will need the mass too. Regardless, the point you're trying to make about you and your husband , and Lebron/Durant/Shaq is very poor.
And yes, you are completely missing the point of the two people who were productively arguing and the point of my topic in general.
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This arguement is soo... Stupid!! I don't know a lot about lifting weights but I do know basketball. It all depends on the match up and skill level. If someones not basketball smart and doesnt know how to use there strength on the court it's not going to do them any good, and even if the do know how to use there strength, and the other persons more skilled and has a higher basketball iq, then they find ways to stop the stronger person. I'm 6'0" my husbands the same height, same reach. I weight 130lbs on a good day, he weights 222lbs and I murder him in basketball. He backs me down every time, but I must say my lower body strength helps in when he's backing me down. He's stronger, way bigger, but I'm just more skilled, and jump higher. When he backs me down. I sometimes let him go by me just to block his shot, I can't stop him from backing me down but being that I'm a ball player and he's just a big man who plays ball. I have the advantage! He's stronger, I'm more skilled, but if I was as strong as him with the skills I have, I'd really be a beast. So the moral of the story is Kevin derant would whip shaq in a game of 1 on 1. but if you gave derant shaq's strength he'd be like lebron, but I'd bet lebron would be Kevin because he's stronger and he's skilled. So if your skilled already that strength is only going to turn you into more of a beast. In a match up situation like skill over strength it sometimes come down to who gets the most touches. If neither one of you can stop the other when playing defense, then who ever can keep the ball in there hand the most wins. SIMPLE MATHMATICAL PROGRESSION
I know that's not the question you asked, just getting stronger period using bench press, ohp, squats, ... Etc then go out and do basketball exercises like rim touches and passes with the weight/medicine ball. Defensive slides with resistance band. Stuff like that, just come up with your own exercises and use weights and resistance when doing them, using basketball movements.
MAKE SENSE TO ME
It's Kevin Durant, and giving him Lebron's strength will not make him up to par with Lebron, he will need the mass too. Regardless, the point you're trying to make about you and your husband , and Lebron/Durant/Shaq is very poor.
And yes, you are completely missing the point of the two people who were productively arguing and the point of my topic in general.
How is my point very poor??
And what was the point of the argument, because this is what I read.
"Obviously for lower body, squatting is most essential.
But for Upper body I've been doing Bench Press and Pull Ups to target my chest/back/arms. Are there other exercises you guys know that can replace Bench pressing or Pull Ups that will carryover to basketball better"
I'm just asking, are there better basketball carryover exercises
And my answer was:
I know that's not the question you asked, just getting stronger period using bench press, ohp, squats, ... Etc then go out and do basketball exercises like rim touches and passes with the weight/medicine ball. Defensive slides with resistance band. Stuff like that, just come up with your own exercises and use weights and resistance when doing them, using basketball movements.
MAKE SENSE TO ME kinda like what Joe Joe said.
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Then JC said:
that you both agree that mass and strength is different and that mass is what helps a man bang in the post not strength
So I said
my husband is a lot bigger and much stronger then me and even though he tries to back me down, and man handle me in the post using his larger body and strength, he still can't beat me in basketball, but that if I had his strength and not his mass I'd really be a monster on the court, which was making a point to JC's argument
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This arguement is soo... Stupid!! I don't know a lot about lifting weights but I do know basketball. It all depends on the match up and skill level. If someones not basketball smart and doesnt know how to use there strength on the court it's not going to do them any good, and even if the do know how to use there strength, and the other persons more skilled and has a higher basketball iq, then they find ways to stop the stronger person. I'm 6'0" my husbands the same height, same reach. I weight 130lbs on a good day, he weights 222lbs and I murder him in basketball. He backs me down every time, but I must say my lower body strength helps in when he's backing me down. He's stronger, way bigger, but I'm just more skilled, and jump higher. When he backs me down. I sometimes let him go by me just to block his shot, I can't stop him from backing me down but being that I'm a ball player and he's just a big man who plays ball. I have the advantage! He's stronger, I'm more skilled, but if I was as strong as him with the skills I have, I'd really be a beast. So the moral of the story is Kevin derant would whip shaq in a game of 1 on 1. but if you gave derant shaq's strength he'd be like lebron, but I'd bet lebron would be Kevin because he's stronger and he's skilled. So if your skilled already that strength is only going to turn you into more of a beast. In a match up situation like skill over strength it sometimes come down to who gets the most touches. If neither one of you can stop the other when playing defense, then who ever can keep the ball in there hand the most wins. SIMPLE MATHMATICAL PROGRESSION
I know that's not the question you asked, just getting stronger period using bench press, ohp, squats, ... Etc then go out and do basketball exercises like rim touches and passes with the weight/medicine ball. Defensive slides with resistance band. Stuff like that, just come up with your own exercises and use weights and resistance when doing them, using basketball movements.
MAKE SENSE TO ME
It's Kevin Durant, and giving him Lebron's strength will not make him up to par with Lebron, he will need the mass too. Regardless, the point you're trying to make about you and your husband , and Lebron/Durant/Shaq is very poor.
And yes, you are completely missing the point of the two people who were productively arguing and the point of my topic in general.
How is my point very poor??
And what was the point of the argument, because this is what I read.
"Obviously for lower body, squatting is most essential.
But for Upper body I've been doing Bench Press and Pull Ups to target my chest/back/arms. Are there other exercises you guys know that can replace Bench pressing or Pull Ups that will carryover to basketball better"
I'm just asking, are there better basketball carryover exercises
And my answer was:
I know that's not the question you asked, just getting stronger period using bench press, ohp, squats, ... Etc then go out and do basketball exercises like rim touches and passes with the weight/medicine ball. Defensive slides with resistance band. Stuff like that, just come up with your own exercises and use weights and resistance when doing them, using basketball movements.
MAKE SENSE TO ME kinda like what Joe Joe said.
Then I read:
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Ok I take it back, you understood what I'm asking and provided a good answer.
IMO you are just proving your point poorly with your example of you and your husband and the NBA players, but that's not important, nor do I care. Thanks for the answer though.
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Sorry for my 2 cents. I'm no expert, just a ball player. What do I know :huh: good luck with everything tho.
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Sorry for my 2 cents. I'm no expert, just a ball player. What do I know :huh: good luck with everything tho.
Lol no need to be sorry, it's no big deal. Thanks and good luck to you too.
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Sharp elbows and knowing how to use them can make up for insufficient strength ;) -- just sayin'.
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Sharp elbows and knowing how to use them can make up for insufficient strength ;) -- just sayin'.
leaned that the hard way