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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2011, 09:12:44 am »
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Raptor,

off topic question:

are you naturally this stupid or did you have to work at it?

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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2011, 03:09:16 pm »
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Raptor,

off topic question:

are you naturally this stupid or did you have to work at it?

Well it does come naturally but I have to admit, I read a lot of your posts to get at this level.

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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2011, 03:14:44 pm »
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Raptor,

off topic question:

are you naturally this stupid or did you have to work at it?

Well it does come naturally but I have to admit, I read a lot of your posts to get at this level.
  lol

do you really not understand the ethical question posed by dreyth?

 your reply,

"What if you use then burn the copy?", implies that you do not

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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2011, 04:18:27 pm »
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Raptor,

off topic question:

are you naturally this stupid or did you have to work at it?

Well it does come naturally but I have to admit, I read a lot of your posts to get at this level.
  lol

do you really not understand the ethical question posed by dreyth?

 your reply,

"What if you use then burn the copy?", implies that you do not

You wouldn't worry about so called ethics that much if you lived in Somalia. Stop making such a big thing out of nothing. Knowledge must be free.

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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2011, 05:58:10 pm »
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Without morality and ethics we are no better than animals...it is an inherent part of our humanity--the ability to discern what is right and wrong.


Why is stealing intellectual property wrong?

That person used valuable resources: time, money etc... in order to gain and present the knowledge contained in that work

Thus it is their prerogative on what to do with said knowledge and some do give it away for free.  However, some do not and if you go against their wishes and take their work without their permission you are stealing.


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. Knowledge must be free.

Why? 

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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2011, 07:04:44 pm »
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. Knowledge must be free.

Why?  

I mean I do agree that knowledge should be free, but people aren't going to search for more knowledge if they can't support themselves off of it. Some people put money and time into seeking new knowledge. If they can make money off of it (which they can) we will learn more because there'll be more motivation for it.
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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2011, 07:41:51 pm »
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. Knowledge must be free.

Why? 

I mean I do agree that knowledge should be free, but people aren't going to search for more knowledge if they can't support themselves off of it. Some people put money and time into seeking new knowledge. If they can make money off of it (which they can) we will learn more because there'll be more motivation for it.

you didn't answer the question...

why should knowledge be free?  very little else worth having is free so why is knowledge special?

in your post you give an opinion and then you give several reasons supporting the opposite opinion...

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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2011, 08:20:41 pm »
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Thus it is their prerogative on what to do with said knowledge and some do give it away for free.  However, some do not and if you go against their wishes and take their work without their permission you are stealing.

It's the original producers that steal (most of the time).

There efforts are usually based off other peoples idea's & methods to begin with. They just apply there own "stamp". This leads too a waste of money that can be best spent on just surviving.

There is an element of greed. It's all about money.
 
The poor don't like the greedy.

« Last Edit: May 18, 2011, 08:25:49 pm by $ick3nin.v3nd3tta »

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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2011, 08:54:01 pm »
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. Knowledge must be free.

Why? 

I mean I do agree that knowledge should be free, but people aren't going to search for more knowledge if they can't support themselves off of it. Some people put money and time into seeking new knowledge. If they can make money off of it (which they can) we will learn more because there'll be more motivation for it.

you didn't answer the question...

why should knowledge be free?  very little else worth having is free so why is knowledge special?

in your post you give an opinion and then you give several reasons supporting the opposite opinion...

So?

I wasn't firmly taking a side or trying to answer the question (it wasn't posed to me anyway). I was just throwing out thoughts.
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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2011, 10:08:37 pm »
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Thus it is their prerogative on what to do with said knowledge and some do give it away for free.  However, some do not and if you go against their wishes and take their work without their permission you are stealing.

It's the original producers that steal (most of the time).

There efforts are usually based off other peoples idea's & methods to begin with. They just apply there own "stamp". This leads too a waste of money that can be best spent on just surviving.

There is an element of greed. It's all about money.
 
The poor don't like the greedy.



- First off, your first statement has nothing to do with this debate: everything bought and sold today is based off of other people's ideas and methods and merely has a "stamp" to differentiate itself

- Secondly, every person is given an equal chance to say how much the so called "stamp" is worth: they can choose to buy the product or not.

- Money is a representation of value, if you buy something it means you think it is undervalued by the seller.  Clearly you think that these products are overvalued by the seller

-  By saying the money should best be spent on surviving you are making a valuation of the product: to you the product is not worth as much as food/shelter etc...

-  However, this does not validate stealing


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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2011, 03:44:54 am »
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Let me ask you something else.

Let's say I was born in Kosovo, where the average monthly salary is 10$. And I want to learn whatever it is in that book. Is it moral and ethical for me to put safe 0.25$ per month to get a 100$ book in 33 years?

The same applies with software. It's being developed by rich countries where a guy can pay 400$ for a piece of software because, you know, he makes 50.000$ per year. But here where I make, what, barely 3.000$ per year - I AM MORALLY AND ETHICALLY OBLIGED to buy that? Are you fucking kidding me? Piracy is the way. Worry about ethics later.
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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2011, 09:58:03 am »
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Let's say I was born in the US, where the average monthly salary is 2000$. And I want to have a Maserati. Is it moral and ethical for me put 100$ per month in a bank to get a $100000 car in 33 years?

I AM MORALLY AND ETHICALLY OBLIGED to buy that? Are you fucking kidding me? Piracy is the way. Worry about ethics later



Yes you insufferable idiot.  You are morally and ethically obliged to buy it

If you want to buy nicer things...get more money


Both of my parents came from extremely poor households (1 is from US and the other from another country) and worked incredibly hard in order to get the things they want.

I have a very low paying job myself (less than 3000$ a year)--does it mean I am justified in stealing things that are out of my price range?   No.  

Obviously there is almost nothing anyone can do to stop you from stealing in this manner so carry on, but that if anything makes the actions even more disgusting

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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2011, 11:04:49 am »
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Then I'll be disgusting for a guy named lamp and be happy with myself and my friends. Works to me.

In a theoretical world you would be right, but we live in a pragmatic, practical world. So... tough luck. I myself wrote a program for FREE and it still got "pirated" on the Internet in the way that they put it on several sites instead of letting it reside on mine's only.

Can I do anything about that? I think not. Whatever.

Ethics won't get you anywhere in life. :headbang: :highfive:

PS. There's still a difference between physical things that you can steal and intellectual things that you can steal. Should it be? I have no idea. But it is what it is.

PS2. I bet every piece of software/music/film in your computer is buyed and has a license.

PS3. Can you imagine how much I'd have to pay for all the porn I have? Gimme a break man!
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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2011, 02:48:29 pm »
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In a theoretical world you would be right, but we live in a pragmatic, practical world. So... tough luck.

fair enough, many people do not do the right thing...it's true

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Re: The Vertical Jump Formula By Chad Wesley Smith
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2011, 03:10:40 pm »
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ok so, im taking a nice dump and i read this post:

Raptor,

off topic question:

are you naturally this stupid or did you have to work at it?

i lol'd hard




then i read this post:


Raptor,

off topic question:

are you naturally this stupid or did you have to work at it?

Well it does come naturally but I have to admit, I read a lot of your posts to get at this level.

i lol'd even harder.






that was a pretty epic, yet short exchange.. im still laughing.