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Blog Section => ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A => Topic started by: Girljordan on March 08, 2011, 08:40:31 am
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Read this article today, would changing the type of squats I do be more effective. More interested in the lumberjack squats.
"The problem is that not every athlete, particularly those taller folks, are particularly well suited to back squatting. Some athletes are going to be much more suited to doing deadlifts, front squats, box squats, or lumberjack squats due to their size, flexibility limitations etc.
In these instances the 2x standard may not apply directly, but the message is the same. Get as strong as possible as you can on your prime mover big lifts and you will see great gains in your vertical jump."
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You think too much at your current level. I used to be like that so it's hard to be "hard on you", but you should lower the weight you do squats with, do proper form squats and build from there. Once you get to a serious number in the squat (1.5+) then you could worry about doing more explosive stuff etc.
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Lol!
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Lol!
what was funny about what he said?
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I have lowered my squat weight to work on my form. I start at like 50lbs and do butt to the ground squats. I just do heavy after I'm done to see if it'll get lighter and 170lbs actually did. I did a half squat and it felt a lot lighter. Don't be hard on me, I'm just experimenting and I do them as safe as possible. But longer limbs do cause a problem. I'm stronger than my step daughter and she's like 5'4" she can barely lift a 15lbs barbell 10x, and I can do it like 30x, but when we do bench press she can get 80lbs to the chest and almost back up, and I can't get it but half way down. Once I get past half I need help, but I can lift half a few times, these long arms and legs does seem to put me at a disadvantage when it comes to lifting, but what do I know. Sorry I ask so many questions and I do think a lot!!
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Lol!
what was funny about what he said?
I thought it was funny that he said I think too much. I've been told that before. I just thought lumberjack squats would be a lot safer, if that work the same muscle, and if they're better suited for taller people. That way I won't need a spotter.
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For what is worth , i agree with raptor , you think too much! Everyday you come up with a new question that usually includes the possibility of changing your training scheme. Its natural , we've all been there and done the same mistake , but it's still is a mistake!
Don't worry too much about the details , like i told you when you asked me for help and like raptor says above , just focus on on getting stronger on all basic lifts. Stick to that training scheme that Lance wrote for you , get stronger and then we can re-evaluate.
You can keep reading and learning new stuff all the time of course, but in general vert training is quite simple and there are no secrets or shortcuts. :D
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I took psychology in college. I cant help it im a thinker by nature. At least you guys try to be as nice as possible, I'm sure I get on your nerves, but once I get interested in something, I just want to know everything. I even ask questions about stuff I already know, just to hear others opinion, but now that I know it drives raptor crazy! Jk Thanks anyway
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I took psychology in college. I cant help it im a thinker by nature. At least you guys try to be as nice as possible, I'm sure I get on your nerves, but once I get interested in something, I just want to know everything. I even ask questions about stuff I already know, just to hear others opinion, but now that I know it drives raptor crazy! Jk Thanks anyway
Read this Kelly Baggett's article , very helpful/relevant:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/vjmistakes.html (http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/vjmistakes.html)
Quoting one specific type ( you , me , lbss , raptor and many other people ) :
The Overanalyzer: Although many people have a problem with not doing enough thinking, there is another group of people who have the opposite problem. Overanalyzers tend to be book smart and their natural tendency is to dig into minutia. They tend to live in books and theories rather than the real world and common sense. They will spend 98% of their energy worrying about things that might only give them 2% of the results. A typical overanalyzer who wants to get stronger will think they need to be doing specific exercises for eccentric strength, concentric strength, and isometric strength, failing to see how powerlifters get strong incorporating regular full range movements that naturally incorporate all 3. They do this with just about everything. Their main problem is failing to see the big picture.
Honestly, few, if any, revolutionary training methods have taken place in the training world in 40 years. The majority of “Russian Secrets” we all hear about have been around since the 70's. Just because we now have high tech equipment that can determine the precise point on a force velocity curve that maximum power out put occurs doesn’t change the human response to various training methods. They can all be narrowed down to getting stronger, expressing strength better, or moving better. Lift heavy to get strong. Perform rapid exercises like jump squats, Olympic lifts, and plyometrics to express strength quicker, and perform your sport specific movements, various other drills, as well as complementary work like stretching to move better. Some overanalyzers will eventually recognize their overthinking and begin to simplify things and make gains. The reality is training is not rocket science.
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I took psychology in college. I cant help it im a thinker by nature. At least you guys try to be as nice as possible, I'm sure I get on your nerves, but once I get interested in something, I just want to know everything. I even ask questions about stuff I already know, just to hear others opinion, but now that I know it drives raptor crazy! Jk Thanks anyway
Read this Kelly Baggett's article , very helpful/relevant:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/vjmistakes.html (http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/vjmistakes.html)
Quoting one specific type ( you , me , lbss , raptor and many other people ) :
The Overanalyzer: Although many people have a problem with not doing enough thinking, there is another group of people who have the opposite problem. Overanalyzers tend to be book smart and their natural tendency is to dig into minutia. They tend to live in books and theories rather than the real world and common sense. They will spend 98% of their energy worrying about things that might only give them 2% of the results. A typical overanalyzer who wants to get stronger will think they need to be doing specific exercises for eccentric strength, concentric strength, and isometric strength, failing to see how powerlifters get strong incorporating regular full range movements that naturally incorporate all 3. They do this with just about everything. Their main problem is failing to see the big picture.
Honestly, few, if any, revolutionary training methods have taken place in the training world in 40 years. The majority of “Russian Secrets” we all hear about have been around since the 70's. Just because we now have high tech equipment that can determine the precise point on a force velocity curve that maximum power out put occurs doesn’t change the human response to various training methods. They can all be narrowed down to getting stronger, expressing strength better, or moving better. Lift heavy to get strong. Perform rapid exercises like jump squats, Olympic lifts, and plyometrics to express strength quicker, and perform your sport specific movements, various other drills, as well as complementary work like stretching to move better. Some overanalyzers will eventually recognize their overthinking and begin to simplify things and make gains. The reality is training is not rocket science.
Make sense to me, but I want to overanalyze what you just wrote.
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It won't be neccesary to change the squat style, even if you're tall.
Get some proper olympic lifting shoes. It's kinda hard to hit the right atg squat position without. Especially for tall athletes with long limbs. It will improve your form, and eventually you'll be able to lift more :) (Elevating the heels with 1kg plates may work, but it's not the same as wearing proper lifting shoes)
I know VS athletics have some good ones, for a good price ;)
Do-Win are neighter very expencive.
- Maria
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Thanks, the men around here just told me to stop thinking. Lol
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Thanks, the men around here just told me to stop thinking. Lol
nice...i was actually thinking something along the lines of you're a woman...of course you're going to over thing everything!
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Read this article today, would changing the type of squats I do be more effective. More interested in the lumberjack squats.
"The problem is that not every athlete, particularly those taller folks, are particularly well suited to back squatting. Some athletes are going to be much more suited to doing deadlifts, front squats, box squats, or lumberjack squats due to their size, flexibility limitations etc.
In these instances the 2x standard may not apply directly, but the message is the same. Get as strong as possible as you can on your prime mover big lifts and you will see great gains in your vertical jump."
nah, every athlete should back squat.. different leverages will change how you actually back squat, the depth, the style, etc.. but just because you don't fit the "mold", doesn't mean you should substitute back squat with deadlift/etc.. box squat/pin squat are a form of back squat, so ya, those work well with lankier athletes.. If getting oly shoes + mobility work helped you perform a picture perfect full back squat, i'd be amazed.. oly shoes will definitely help to improve your depth but it's not going to be good form below parallel, not with your leverages, you could prove me wrong though :) so i'd stick with trying to get to a good half squat depth, if you used oly shoes you could definitely hit that depth alot easier than if you squat in basketball shoes.
the 2x standard always applies, it just depends on what depth you have.. at adarq.org we believe in the 3-3.5x standard, 2x is for mini mouse stuff, we all need 3-3.5x half squats with decent speed to become elite :D
peace