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Gaining muscle + strength detrimental to the one leg jump
« on: June 30, 2012, 04:48:40 pm »
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I was wondering Lance, would me going on a way of increasing my strength while gaining weight (muscle) be bad for my one-leg jump or dangerous as far as bone/joint health (considering I have thin bones to begin with)?

I'm at ~84 kg now, but would me getting to 90 kg and gaining a ton of strength in the process be bad/dangerous since when I jump I'll put a lot more stress on the bones/joints with all that additional weight (could you imagine me doing maximal one leg jumps or single leg bounds at 90 kg bodyweight)?

I already am a power jumper off one leg anyway so... it could work as far as gaining strength/jumping higher off one leg is concerned. The other stuff is what I think about and I was wondering if you have any experience with this with your one-leg jumping athletes that you train/trained.

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Re: Gaining muscle + strength detrimental to the one leg jump
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2012, 12:39:23 am »
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  I think youll do well as long as you  jump plenty along the way and dont get fat.  Ive never seen a true lbm gain be detrimental to athleticism in the event the athlete didnt stop running/ jumping/ playing their sport at a high frequency. 

  Think about this, grab a 5lb piece of steak and take note of the space it takes up and density.  Now imagine that on your glutes and hamstrings, and keep in mind thats ONLY 5 lbs of meat...  The amount of lean tissue you can likely build, that is contractile, and HELPS you move,  will not hurt you.  fat that is not contractile will. 

  People look at elite sprinters and high jumpers and correlate their weight with performance, only they dont note the bone structure.  Many of those guys have insanely light frames, and even though they appear "thinish" they often have quite a  bit of muscle relative to the bone structure, especially in the right places. 
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Re: Gaining muscle + strength detrimental to the one leg jump
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2012, 06:57:46 am »
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Yeah but I'm pretty heavy already. Think about it... I'm 1.82m tall and 84 kg and I suck at upperbody lifts which means it's not a ton of upperbody muscle that I'm carrying either. Nightfly is 1.95m and 84 kg.

I should be at ~76 kg and then from there I could go up in weight but starting off at 84 kg ... isn't that a bit overkill, especially off one leg and at my bone structure?

(check this out, picture with Octavian Belu (head of Romanian Gymnastics team) back when I weighed 67 kg):

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Re: Gaining muscle + strength detrimental to the one leg jump
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2012, 04:00:14 pm »
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  Look at this way Raptor, if you put on 10 pounds of muscle, and lose 10 pounds of fat, thats a 20 pound change in your body, which would most definitely HELP you right now.  The rate that you can truly build muscle at will allow your joints, tendons, etc. plenty of time to adapt as long as youre still doing athletic events.
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Re: Gaining muscle + strength detrimental to the one leg jump
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2012, 04:07:21 pm »
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The question is - isn't ~90 kg too much for my bones/joints? It's like weighing a building with a small structure too much...

Now I know muscle actively contributes, absorbs shocks etc, but still.

And I don't tend to lose fat quickly.

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Re: Gaining muscle + strength detrimental to the one leg jump
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2012, 05:16:45 pm »
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  I dont know why you have that random number in your head though... Why not focus on building some muscle as you lean out a little, youre not at a place where this is hard to do right now.  The numbers will take care of themselves if you train and eat right.

  I think that some posterior chain hypertrophy would actually make you LESS likely to get hurt, as long as youre jumping enough while youre training and dont go overboard on calories.  The  body has a pretty damn efficient way of working those things out in your favor as long as you show it what youre going to be doing with this new strength/muscle.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNoXfLjoaEQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNoXfLjoaEQ</a>

How much do you think he weighs?
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Re: Gaining muscle + strength detrimental to the one leg jump
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2012, 05:25:27 pm »
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Haha yeah I know, I don't disagree, the first guy that came into my head (not literally, of course) was Shannon Brown. I'd like to be that kind of a guy athletically.

The question is - considering my frame, with my very thin bones and very thin joints - is that possible or is it overkill and possibly detrimental?

I'm sure both Shannon Brown and the guy in the video above don't have my thin bones and joints.

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Re: Gaining muscle + strength detrimental to the one leg jump
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2012, 05:49:15 pm »
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  You would  be surprised at how small  boned and thin framed a lot of the most explosive athletes are, people always think they weigh much  more than they really do from the appearance. 

Muscle moves the skeleton around, and the heavier the skeleton, the more heavily muscled the athlete needs to  be to move those limbs well.  When you have a very light frame, with a decent amount of muscle hanging off your limbs, you can move those limbs FAST. 


 So with a thin frame, you have the advantage of even a small amount of added muscle tissue making a  bigger difference in locomotion.  However, you also have the disadvantage of added fat making a larger "relative" contribution as well, and one that will make you move much worse.





 
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Re: Gaining muscle + strength detrimental to the one leg jump
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2012, 05:58:18 pm »
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Right... but considering my body composition of the last few years and training history and all that - that's what I want to establish - if it's plausible or if I should work more on shedding down weight (fat if possible) and then start building muscle from a lower bodyweight value than where I am right now.

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Re: Gaining muscle + strength detrimental to the one leg jump
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2012, 07:39:04 pm »
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I mean - it probably would be better if I'd focus on losing weight and getting towards ~75 kg and then start on building up muscle from that point on.

Obviously I've said this over and over in the past year or so... and never kept word on it... never got my bodyweight under 82 kg... weaksauce by me.

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Re: Gaining muscle + strength detrimental to the one leg jump
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2012, 10:31:20 pm »
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  I dont think youre at a place that you have to go to extremes to accomplish your goal of getting leaner and  building some muscle.  Youre not on either extreme end of the spectrum, and could easily do both ( build muscle, lose fat) simultaneously right now imo. 

Youre going to have to do two things religiously though, eat enough good foods and protein, and train hard as fuck.  IF youre willing to do that, you can do  both things at once.
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