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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2010, 12:42:03 am »
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Even if someone speaks out it will get censored.

possibly, the fact that his post didn't get censored is interesting though.. they must have some confidence that people will speak highly of IBB.

I know for a fact that they censor stuff they don't like. All the time.

Like Alan Aragon's chocolate milk vs surge recovery thing

LOL. Yes. But little, stupid shit on their forums, too.

FYI, for those that are interested: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/an-objective-comparison-of-chocolate-milk-and-surge-recovery.html.

Saddest part to me is that the coach at my gym that I most respect, Jimmy (the Beast Skills guy), loves his Surge.  :pissed:
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
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thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2010, 01:12:40 am »
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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2010, 11:11:04 am »
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Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
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- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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[7:31pm] adarq: ripp, being honest, it's hard for u to beat jcsbck, he's on fire lately
[7:31pm] adarq: he's just
[7:31pm] adarq: wrecking people
[7:31pm] adarq: daily




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And also NO to anyone who associates with him. No Taylor Allan. No Adam Scammenauger. No Kelly Baggett. No Elliot Hulse. No Jtrinsey. NO JUMP USA


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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2011, 07:39:50 pm »
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Looks like they are done with I,BB already. New program. Of course, to recover from it, you need anaconda, mag 10, and surge workout fuel, or else you'll get aids and die.


http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/look_like_a_bodybuilder_perform_like_an_athlete
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/highperformance_mass_lower_body_pressing
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/highperformance_mass_upper_body_pressing



Actually i do this program right now ... but of course without anaconda protocol... stupid thing.
In my opinion its a great thing and with some little tweaks you can make a great vert/speed/overall strengh program.
In general i like Choach Thibs training principles ... the only one which worked for me.

Have some great gains in vertical, musclemass and most important strengh  :headbang:

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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2011, 07:47:44 pm »
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Looks like they are done with I,BB already. New program. Of course, to recover from it, you need anaconda, mag 10, and surge workout fuel, or else you'll get aids and die.


http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/look_like_a_bodybuilder_perform_like_an_athlete
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/highperformance_mass_lower_body_pressing
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/highperformance_mass_upper_body_pressing



Actually i do this program right now ... but of course without anaconda protocol... stupid thing.
In my opinion its a great thing and with some little tweaks you can make a great vert/speed/overall strengh program.
In general i like Choach Thibs training principles ... the only one which worked for me.

Have some great gains in vertical, musclemass and most important strengh  :headbang:

cool what kind of gains (actual stats) did you make?

peace

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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2011, 12:08:26 am »
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couple thoughts

1.  Chocolate milk is a common PWO supplement at the collegiate level.  The "Pros" feel the need to spend more for somethin special.  It is excellent.

2. CT's new stuff is pretty good.  Essentially you train at a weight you can lift explosively, over time closing the explosive strength deficit.  At this point as you get stronger you are also pushing up explosive strength.  This was  big point in the old inno system.  You also autoregulate (or cybernetic periodization if you are a siffy).  

Researc shows that training at a high intensity with high frequency without overtraining (or exceeding your ability to recover) leads to the best results (read bompa's periodization opus).  That is exactly what his system is built on.

So it has all the aspects of a solid system.

What would I change?

I would include some of CK's corrective stuff.

So on a leg day instead of doing 3 ramps I would do 1 plus 1 circuit  of ck's corrective stuff and 1 circuit of some hypertrophy/strength stuff.  Add the core work to the warm up

So it would look like this

lower body day
core
mobility
plyo/activation
lower ramp
lower corrective circuit 1
lower st/hyp circuit 2
upper ramp

Upper day
core
mob
plyo/activation
upper ramp
upper corrective circuit 1
upper st/hyp circuit 2
Lower ramp

in a power speed set up change the st/hyp circuit to a power/plyo circuit
« Last Edit: February 23, 2011, 12:10:01 am by AlexV »
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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2011, 12:18:31 am »
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couple thoughts

1.  Chocolate milk is a common PWO supplement at the collegiate level.  The "Pros" feel the need to spend more for somethin special.  It is excellent.

2. CT's new stuff is pretty good.  Essentially you train at a weight you can lift explosively, over time closing the explosive strength deficit.  At this point as you get stronger you are also pushing up explosive strength.  This was  big point in the old inno system.  You also autoregulate (or cybernetic periodization if you are a siffy).  

Researc shows that training at a high intensity with high frequency without overtraining (or exceeding your ability to recover) leads to the best results (read bompa's periodization opus).  That is exactly what his system is built on.

So it has all the aspects of a solid system.

What would I change?

I would include some of CK's corrective stuff.

So on a leg day instead of doing 3 ramps I would do 1 plus 1 circuit  of ck's corrective stuff and 1 circuit of some hypertrophy/strength stuff.  Add the core work to the warm up

So it would look like this

lower body day
core
mobility
plyo/activation
lower ramp
lower corrective circuit 1
lower st/hyp circuit 2
upper ramp

Upper day
core
mob
plyo/activation
upper ramp
upper corrective circuit 1
upper st/hyp circuit 2
Lower ramp

in a power speed set up change the st/hyp circuit to a power/plyo circuit

Nice post, like the way you set that up.  Ct has a lot of good info and most everything hes saying is based on solid training principles, sure you have to filter out the supplemental promotions but there is plenty of good info in what hes preaching.  His disagreement w/ Defrancos anti overhead work shoulder article was dead on imo, and goes hand in hand with my experiences with myself and athletes as well. 
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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2011, 07:33:04 am »
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Looks like they are done with I,BB already. New program. Of course, to recover from it, you need anaconda, mag 10, and surge workout fuel, or else you'll get aids and die.


http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/look_like_a_bodybuilder_perform_like_an_athlete
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/highperformance_mass_lower_body_pressing
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/highperformance_mass_upper_body_pressing



Actually i do this program right now ... but of course without anaconda protocol... stupid thing.
In my opinion its a great thing and with some little tweaks you can make a great vert/speed/overall strengh program.
In general i like Choach Thibs training principles ... the only one which worked for me.

Have some great gains in vertical, musclemass and most important strengh  :headbang:

cool what kind of gains (actual stats) did you make?

peace

I edited his program to my wishes so it looks like:

Upper Body Press Workout + Hang Snatch
Lower Body Press Workout (mostly quads) + Power Clean & Lat/Biceps
Neural Charge Workout + hamstrings & lot of jumping/reactive things

All gains are in lbs and 3 rep max:

Benchpress from 160 to 200
Full Squat from 180 to 220
Power Clean from 120 to 150
Pushpress from 90 to 130

My vertical gained like 7cm  (3 inches?) and i can now grab the rim with one hand ... so im half way up :)

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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2011, 03:27:12 pm »
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Looks like they are done with I,BB already. New program. Of course, to recover from it, you need anaconda, mag 10, and surge workout fuel, or else you'll get aids and die.


http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/look_like_a_bodybuilder_perform_like_an_athlete
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/highperformance_mass_lower_body_pressing
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/highperformance_mass_upper_body_pressing



Actually i do this program right now ... but of course without anaconda protocol... stupid thing.
In my opinion its a great thing and with some little tweaks you can make a great vert/speed/overall strengh program.
In general i like Choach Thibs training principles ... the only one which worked for me.

Have some great gains in vertical, musclemass and most important strengh  :headbang:

cool what kind of gains (actual stats) did you make?

peace

I edited his program to my wishes so it looks like:

Upper Body Press Workout + Hang Snatch
Lower Body Press Workout (mostly quads) + Power Clean & Lat/Biceps
Neural Charge Workout + hamstrings & lot of jumping/reactive things

All gains are in lbs and 3 rep max:

Benchpress from 160 to 200
Full Squat from 180 to 220
Power Clean from 120 to 150
Pushpress from 90 to 130

My vertical gained like 7cm  (3 inches?) and i can now grab the rim with one hand ... so im half way up :)

nice progress man, those are some good gains. thanks for sharing.. cool about the vert too.

one thing though, it's hard to say "thibs training principles are the only ones that worked for you" etc with those kinds of stats.. you have plenty of room to make big gains, on a variety of programs.. plenty of programs/systems would make you stronger.. it's similar to how beginners say things like "i tried every program out there for vert but _______ is the only one that worked for me!!", the truth is they didn't "try every program", for example, if they "tried vjb and it didn't work", they didn't push themselves to the max and actually get stronger..

so my point is, it's hard to praise t-nation-like principles if you have lots of ability to make progress regardless.. same goes for praising any principles.. once you've spent time busting your ass for 6-12 months, as hard as possible, then you stagnate, that's when specialized programs become more important.

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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2011, 10:24:44 pm »
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Thanks,

It is pretty easy to see through the ads.

Also,  Why does everyone get so fed up with their "radical results" type stuff.  T-mag provides tons of good free material.

They need to make money some how. 

Here is a challenge:

Find 1 site that is not "sold out", routinely turns a good profit, and provides good training information for free.

I am with you guys on the shady side of marketing. I am not a fan of a banded hack squat that sells for hundreds of $ with a bunch of hype but we should have some sort of "criteria" for these call outs.

couple thoughts

1.  Chocolate milk is a common PWO supplement at the collegiate level.  The "Pros" feel the need to spend more for somethin special.  It is excellent.

2. CT's new stuff is pretty good.  Essentially you train at a weight you can lift explosively, over time closing the explosive strength deficit.  At this point as you get stronger you are also pushing up explosive strength.  This was  big point in the old inno system.  You also autoregulate (or cybernetic periodization if you are a siffy).  

Researc shows that training at a high intensity with high frequency without overtraining (or exceeding your ability to recover) leads to the best results (read bompa's periodization opus).  That is exactly what his system is built on.

So it has all the aspects of a solid system.

What would I change?

I would include some of CK's corrective stuff.

So on a leg day instead of doing 3 ramps I would do 1 plus 1 circuit  of ck's corrective stuff and 1 circuit of some hypertrophy/strength stuff.  Add the core work to the warm up

So it would look like this

lower body day
core
mobility
plyo/activation
lower ramp
lower corrective circuit 1
lower st/hyp circuit 2
upper ramp

Upper day
core
mob
plyo/activation
upper ramp
upper corrective circuit 1
upper st/hyp circuit 2
Lower ramp

in a power speed set up change the st/hyp circuit to a power/plyo circuit

Nice post, like the way you set that up.  Ct has a lot of good info and most everything hes saying is based on solid training principles, sure you have to filter out the supplemental promotions but there is plenty of good info in what hes preaching.  His disagreement w/ Defrancos anti overhead work shoulder article was dead on imo, and goes hand in hand with my experiences with myself and athletes as well. 
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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2011, 02:43:35 am »
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I am with you guys on the shady side of marketing. I am not a fan of a banded hack squat that sells for hundreds of $ with a bunch of hype but we should have some sort of "criteria" for these call outs.


Saying CT gained 27 pounds of muscle in 6 weeks is enough to warrant a call out. Any lying in the marketing is enough to warrant a call out, but we just call people out that the users will be familiar with. No point in calling out every scammer supplement company when most of the people on here haven't heard of them.


But you supported Taylor Allan, so you obviously have low expectations of humans and their morals.




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[7:31pm] adarq: he's just
[7:31pm] adarq: wrecking people
[7:31pm] adarq: daily




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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2011, 03:21:37 am »
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I am with you guys on the shady side of marketing. I am not a fan of a banded hack squat that sells for hundreds of $ with a bunch of hype but we should have some sort of "criteria" for these call outs.


Saying CT gained 27 pounds of muscle in 6 weeks is enough to warrant a call out. Any lying in the marketing is enough to warrant a call out, but we just call people out that the users will be familiar with. No point in calling out every scammer supplement company when most of the people on here haven't heard of them.


But you supported Taylor Allan, so you obviously have low expectations of humans and their morals.




P.S. Simply Shredded blows T-Nation away by a long shot. It's more for bodybuilding but check it out if you haven't.


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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2011, 09:45:32 am »
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Looks like they are done with I,BB already. New program. Of course, to recover from it, you need anaconda, mag 10, and surge workout fuel, or else you'll get aids and die.


http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/look_like_a_bodybuilder_perform_like_an_athlete
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/highperformance_mass_lower_body_pressing
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/highperformance_mass_upper_body_pressing



Actually i do this program right now ... but of course without anaconda protocol... stupid thing.
In my opinion its a great thing and with some little tweaks you can make a great vert/speed/overall strengh program.
In general i like Choach Thibs training principles ... the only one which worked for me.

Have some great gains in vertical, musclemass and most important strengh  :headbang:

cool what kind of gains (actual stats) did you make?

peace

I edited his program to my wishes so it looks like:

Upper Body Press Workout + Hang Snatch
Lower Body Press Workout (mostly quads) + Power Clean & Lat/Biceps
Neural Charge Workout + hamstrings & lot of jumping/reactive things

All gains are in lbs and 3 rep max:

Benchpress from 160 to 200
Full Squat from 180 to 220
Power Clean from 120 to 150
Pushpress from 90 to 130

My vertical gained like 7cm  (3 inches?) and i can now grab the rim with one hand ... so im half way up :)

nice progress man, those are some good gains. thanks for sharing.. cool about the vert too.

one thing though, it's hard to say "thibs training principles are the only ones that worked for you" etc with those kinds of stats.. you have plenty of room to make big gains, on a variety of programs.. plenty of programs/systems would make you stronger.. it's similar to how beginners say things like "i tried every program out there for vert but _______ is the only one that worked for me!!", the truth is they didn't "try every program", for example, if they "tried vjb and it didn't work", they didn't push themselves to the max and actually get stronger..

so my point is, it's hard to praise t-nation-like principles if you have lots of ability to make progress regardless.. same goes for praising any principles.. once you've spent time busting your ass for 6-12 months, as hard as possible, then you stagnate, that's when specialized programs become more important.

peace

I agree with you 100% , everybody should try some things out and see how well things work out before sticking to one particular workout.
In my case , i can say that i tried some various workouts ( for example vjb, 5x5, hst cluster ) to achieve muscle mass and increase in vertical leaping and i did have some good gains but i was never 100% satisfied with them. For example vjb gave me 5 cm for working 2 months my ass off!!! ( I know thats a good achievement, but im stubborn :D )  So after all i tried to put my focus on strength and athletic gains( CT's principles) and my body seems to respond very well to this scheme.

So what im trying to say is that all in all its about information... and how well you can integrate them with your workouts.
I dont praise tnation ... but like AlexV said they offer a lot of good information ... you just have to ignore their marketing side  ;D

You can take any good site ( for example adarq) and if you are able corporate information given by this site with some other principles you will have one decent workout  :headbang:
My point is, dont blame guys, who want to make some money ... in fact they are giving us information for FREE

But if some people are interested i can start a journal based on tnation principles  :D adarqs principles and some experiences i made and see how things work out  :strong:
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Re: "Radical results" Biotest/TMuscle
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2011, 12:11:32 pm »
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Thanks,

It is pretty easy to see through the ads.

Also,  Why does everyone get so fed up with their "radical results" type stuff.  T-mag provides tons of good free material.

They need to make money some how.  

Here is a challenge:

Find 1 site that is not "sold out", routinely turns a good profit, and provides good training information for free.

I am with you guys on the shady side of marketing. I am not a fan of a banded hack squat that sells for hundreds of $ with a bunch of hype but we should have some sort of "criteria" for these call outs.


I'll give you two:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com

http://startingstrength.wikia.com

TNation provides some good free material and lots and lots of complete horseshit. Better to look elsewhere pretty much always.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses