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Re: Alex "The King of Quickness" Maroko
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2010, 01:21:26 am »
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LOL

"The special call with The Talented Mr. Herman, "7 Mindset
Tricks To IMMEDIATELY Cut Your 40-Yard Dash Time" is
ONLY for the first 30 members who sign-in and enter the
brand-new "Destroy The 40" Program tomorrow morning at 9 AM."

"I'll be sure to send you an email King tomorrow morning right
when the "Destroy The 40" webpage finally goes up, but you're
gonna have to be really "fast-acting" to get in on this ONE-TIME
call with me and Todd..."

so

you buy his shitty fucking product, and he has some technique that can help you improve your 40, YET ONLY 30 PEOPLE GET IT?

WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT.






"
...there's like more than 22,000 people getting
these emails now and we only have room for 100 people in DT40...I don't
like the fact that there are so many people intent on getting in to
the program and a lot of them aren't going to be able to get in (if I
had known so many people were going to want to get into the program,
I probably would have done it differently so we could let in everyone
who wanted in)..."

ahahahaha

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Re: Alex "The King of Quickness" Maroko
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2010, 01:32:11 am »
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Hey guys, buy my awesome 40 yard dash program.

I have this amazing bonus, which can really improve your 40, that I will include.

BUT ONLY TO THE FIRST 30 PEOPLE WHO BUY IT.

The rest of you fags can cry me a river.

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Re: Alex "The King of Quickness" Maroko
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2010, 02:31:21 am »
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Hey guys, buy my awesome 40 yard dash program.

I have this amazing bonus, which can really improve your 40, that I will include.

BUT ONLY TO THE FIRST 30 PEOPLE WHO BUY IT.

The rest of you fags can cry me a river.

Shouldn't his program already include the bonus?
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Re: Alex "The King of Quickness" Maroko
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2010, 02:32:17 am »
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Hey guys, buy my awesome 40 yard dash program.

I have this amazing bonus, which can really improve your 40, that I will include.

BUT ONLY TO THE FIRST 30 PEOPLE WHO BUY IT.

The rest of you fags can cry me a river.

Shouldn't his program already include the bonus?

my point exactly :)

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Re: Alex "The King of Quickness" Maroko
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2010, 04:44:20 pm »
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FWIW I think Alex does go over the top with some of is marketing and have told him as much. The pushing of stuff like squat flex bothered me and I told him so.  However, I know John Kim of Jump USA (maker of the squat flex) really helped Alex out with promotion when he first introduced his ball handling program so he may have felt obligated there.  As for Alex's numbers, I met him in June of '09 in Tampa and while we were there he went out and did sprint workouts a couple of different times so I know he was still training for the 40 several months after that DB log. Nobody was timing anything but I reckon it's feasible he could have run a 4.67 forty sometime after that log because I do know he was still training consistently.  The idea behind truth about quickness was that quickness is different than speed/explosiveness and Alex is a pretty good example of that. He was overall slow as molasses as a player and I don't think he could jump really well but you can watch his ball handling vids and see he's got some quicks. I don't know if that was him calling himself a dunkmaster I think that may have been someone else promoting his products that was saying that. If he did though that would probably be BS.


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Re: Alex "The King of Quickness" Maroko
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2010, 05:56:32 pm »
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FWIW I think Alex does go over the top with some of is marketing and have told him as much. The pushing of stuff like squat flex bothered me and I told him so.  However, I know John Kim of Jump USA (maker of the squat flex) really helped Alex out with promotion when he first introduced his ball handling program so he may have felt obligated there.  As for Alex's numbers, I met him in June of '09 in Tampa and while we were there he went out and did sprint workouts a couple of different times so I know he was still training for the 40 several months after that DB log. Nobody was timing anything but I reckon it's feasible he could have run a 4.67 forty sometime after that log because I do know he was still training consistently.  The idea behind truth about quickness was that quickness is different than speed/explosiveness and Alex is a pretty good example of that. He was overall slow as molasses as a player and I don't think he could jump really well but you can watch his ball handling vids and see he's got some quicks. I don't know if that was him calling himself a dunkmaster I think that may have been someone else promoting his products that was saying that. If he did though that would probably be BS.



thanks for the response, didn't expect it.

ya, I think the squatflex thing is what made me really annoyed. I just know, especially for him to team up with you, that he could be better than that, and not stoop down to that level of scammery.

He definitely has very good quickness, and from his journals, alot of work ethic. Going from 5.55 in the 40 to 4.91 is nothing to be ashamed of. I don't know if he has ever run 4.67, though if he has, props. But what I do see is another person disappearing from journaling and all of a sudden becoming a much better athlete.

I think that's a major problem in s&c. How many times have you run into coaches who claim near 40 inch verts & 4.4 40's "in their past", yet are obviously a sluggish weak noob who hasn't put in any work? You know what's even funnier, their training programs reflect this. So you get people who earn cred through lies dishing out programs that are based on lies, thus no one is really improving. It seems that when people try hard to become freak athletes, yet fail, they create this alter ego, which they may in fact believe after lying to themselves so much.

I'm not saying you have to have gotten major results with yourself to be a good coach though, their are plenty who havn't. The difference is, they don't lie about it. Instead, they get in with good coaches, spend time learning & applying, then go off and get results with all types of athletes. The results speak for themself, not lies about their own performance to inflate their ability to coach.

So ya, that all goes back to Maroko. Having been really cool with him and seeing his passion for s&c, I didn't expect him to inflate himself to the Nth degree & do favors for scum bags (squatflex? GTFO). Right off the bat he calls himself the king of quickness or a world renowned speed coach. Yes I understand that's marketing hype, but this world would be better without it.

S&C needs a massive dose of integrity, so do many other areas of life, but that's besides the point.

peace man

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Re: Alex "The King of Quickness" Maroko
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2010, 09:22:12 pm »
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out of curiosity, why would he not try to be a good salesman but still contribute to forums such as here and DB, where he obviously picked up ALOT of info (and charliefrancis) ... too afraid of people like adarqui calling him out for his pure money making schemes.  I do not fault a person for trying to make money, especially a kid fresh outta college, but come on...

Kelly, mad props though, never got flying for four, but have read about every other piece of info uve put out, including all your posts on DB and CF, and your VJB and No Bull speed

Out of curiosity kelly, why did you never do more on elitefts?  Saw you post a few older articles up awhile ago, thought it could be great exposure for you.  Also, why do you prefer to stay relatively low key, instead of opening up a place similar to Defrancos (but about 10x better), or perhaps getting in with college football or basketball etc??  Clearly you have the experience and knowledge to do so.

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Re: Alex "The King of Quickness" Maroko
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2010, 02:39:10 pm »
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or perhaps getting in with college football or basketball etc??  Clearly you have the experience and knowledge to do so.

Don;t know about the rest but there is no $ in collegiate athletics.  You have to do it cause you love it.  At the assistant level you would be lucky to make 30k in a year.  At the head level you could be anywhere from 28k to 300k with more being closer to the low end than the high end.  Add in the lack of job security (head FB coach goes so does the whole SC staff).

Maroko made more $ in 1 year than most (probably 90%) of d1 strength coaches and a bunch of strength coaches at the pro level.

I have no clue about Kelly's finances but he has a few products out with Maroko so I can fairly confidently say he does better than most SC coaches
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Re: Alex "The King of Quickness" Maroko
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2010, 04:54:24 pm »
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or perhaps getting in with college football or basketball etc??  Clearly you have the experience and knowledge to do so.

Don;t know about the rest but there is no $ in collegiate athletics.  You have to do it cause you love it.  At the assistant level you would be lucky to make 30k in a year.  At the head level you could be anywhere from 28k to 300k with more being closer to the low end than the high end.  Add in the lack of job security (head FB coach goes so does the whole SC staff).

ya, we didn't even charge college athletes/minor league pro baseball guys.. What's funny is, facilities that charged those guys, such as perfect competition etc, usually have college/semi pro working with other coaches who give "less of a fuck" than the top coach.

I can say that with certainty from experience, and from my co-worker Pierre. He's an arena football guy who paid some big money to work with Pete and got shifted off into a high school training group. That's foul as fuck.

The moral of that story is, unfortunately, when the business plan is all about money & a steady inflow of clients, people get shitted on. Because the most important person is the one who hasn't paid yet.


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Maroko made more $ in 1 year than most (probably 90%) of d1 strength coaches and a bunch of strength coaches at the pro level.

I have no clue about Kelly's finances but he has a few products out with Maroko so I can fairly confidently say he does better than most SC coaches

ya definitely he's in cancun partying it up in Cancun Mexico with his marketing team. the s&c coaches I've known drive old beatup hippy-mobiles, with massage beads on the seats.

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Re: Alex "The King of Quickness" Maroko
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2010, 06:44:45 pm »
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the s&c coaches I've known drive old beatup hippy-mobiles, with massage beads on the seats.

You mean the BEST s&c coaches I've known drive old beatup hippy-mobiles, with massage beads on the seats.
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Re: Alex "The King of Quickness" Maroko
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2010, 11:29:37 pm »
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the s&c coaches I've known drive old beatup hippy-mobiles, with massage beads on the seats.

You mean the BEST s&c coaches I've known drive old beatup hippy-mobiles, with massage beads on the seats.

haha ya..

if you're an s&c coach driving a lambo, you must be slangin` some bull-sheet.

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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2010, 02:34:50 pm »
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Out of curiosity kelly, why did you never do more on elitefts?  Saw you post a few older articles up awhile ago, thought it could be great exposure for you.  Also, why do you prefer to stay relatively low key, instead of opening up a place similar to Defrancos (but about 10x better), or perhaps getting in with college football or basketball etc??  Clearly you have the experience and knowledge to do so.

Good question man.  I'm kind of at the point where I've been there done that. I started coaching gymnastics and martial arts when I was really young and was personal training by the time I was 19. At 23 I was  co-owner of a facility. AFter 10 years of that I kinda got burned out. Not all the aspects invovled with running a business are attractive. The ideal situations from a training perspective aren't gonna keep you in business and vice versa. It kinda depends on where you're at, but hell, look at what most of those places charge.

That's something a lot of people have to get out of their system though and some people love it. If you can find a way to do it with low overhead and you're not that money hungry you can keep your groups small or 1 on 1 and it's great.  Like Adarqui said though there is no money in training good athletes.  Most athletes are broke as f*ck. 

Asf ro the public system, like alex said, it is slave labor.  I wouldn't recommend anyone pursue a job as a public S&C coach unless you have no interest in making money whatsoever and have no interest in anything else whatsoever, because you are probably some of the most overworked and underpaid people there is. I think if you figured it up the average entry level S&C coach at the collegiate level probably makes less than 5 bucks an hour. :) If you're gonna do that know how to coach a sport or a positioin along with it so you can do more then one thing. 

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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2010, 02:53:30 pm »
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I think if you figured it up the average entry level S&C coach at the collegiate level probably makes less than 5 bucks an hour. :) If you're gonna do that know how to coach a sport or a positioin along with it so you can do more then one thing.  
You are correct.  One monthe my coworker and I totaled up our hours and divided by our salary and it was $4.71 an hour.

Fun work but no $  In the summer I worked 4am until 6pm 5 days a week!
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« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2010, 04:20:42 pm »
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That's something a lot of people have to get out of their system though and some people love it. If you can find a way to do it with low overhead and you're not that money hungry you can keep your groups small or 1 on 1 and it's great.  Like Adarqui said though there is no money in training good athletes.  Most athletes are broke as f*ck. 

Asf ro the public system, like alex said, it is slave labor.  I wouldn't recommend anyone pursue a job as a public S&C coach unless you have no interest in making money whatsoever and have no interest in anything else whatsoever, because you are probably some of the most overworked and underpaid people there is. I think if you figured it up the average entry level S&C coach at the collegiate level probably makes less than 5 bucks an hour. :) If you're gonna do that know how to coach a sport or a positioin along with it so you can do more then one thing. 

ya, pretty much everyone gets paid crap.. not to mention, most places rely ALOT on interns.. you can pay coaches crap when you have a steady inflow of interns who handle a good amount of the work.

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Re: Alex "The King of Quickness" Maroko
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2010, 01:23:46 am »
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Not sure if this thread died or not because I wasn't aware of this forum until today, but I'll answer adarqui's question anyway. I didn't get paid anything for the testimonial (woulda been sweet if I did). Alex is helping me grow my own basketball training business online, so the least I could do was help him out. I really did like the flying in four program when he sent it to me, felt like KB did an awesome job on it, and I feel like I told it like it is.