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Charles Poliquin - 'Biosignature'
« on: March 19, 2011, 11:03:36 pm »
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I read the rules son..............

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a) Poliquin is a renowned strength coach and has produced some killer athletes
b) He's a pioneer in a lot of ways
c) He challenges the norm/s

I actually like most of his stuff. But not the biosignature thing.

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/TheBiosignatureMethod.aspx

The premise is that your hormonal balance is expressed through your relative body fat measurements. So if your triceps are lean you have good t-levels. And if your back is fat you have a poor carb tolerance etc. Sounding fishy yet  :D Poliquin claims he has consistent results with all this and lots of foundation data. But I can't find any and he gets mad defensive when questioned (anecdoatal evidence online only for that).

I decided to try it. 90 clams and I wanted to get my bf tested anyway. The bf measurement was worth the visit. I was also way deficient on zinc and magnesium. So that was good to know. But read the report outcomes..................... scamming fail  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

I reckon I can get under 16.5% bf without buying a pharmacy man. F*ck. That's straight up scam to me. If I was looking to go from 10% to 7% sure. But seriously?  :o I won't even post the prices of those supps... but rape central  :o


Hi Michael,
 
Thanks for coming in and discussing your goals with me last week.
 
Below is your results from your Bio-signature testing
 
Total Bodyfat 16.5%
Total Lean Mass 78.8kgs
Total Body Weight 94.3kgs
Total Sum of Skinfolds (10 sites - 110.5mm &12 sites - 137mm)
 
Priority Sites
1) Umbillical - cortisol site
2) Supra illiac - insulin site
 
Conclusion
I had to give your profile much careful thought concluding that I think a continued low carb, high protein and moderate fat approach long term, (while increasingly adding carbohydrate sources as you lean down) intially incorporating them post workout ie Timed Carb Diet style with your first meal after you train in low G.I form only. Limiting selections to long grain brown rice or sweet potato. No high G.I carbs post workout until you are <13% or even less. Because of your elevated insulin sites with the bio-signature this is treated as insulin resistance and consequently how your body treats ingested carbs. Considering your lean mass, bodyweight and current bodyfat percent I think that you ought roughly should still shoot for 2500 or so calories a day without being too concerned about counting calories. With something of a 50/30/20 Protein/Fats/Carbs split on training days and a lower carb intake on non-training days to keep insulin levels low and fat burning optimal. Charles does not count calories, nor do I - and weight watchers recently announced this method does nto work either!
 
Suggestions
 
BREAKFAST  - Important to not skip!

    * 3 whole eggs + 3 egg whites - however you like to eat them (ie scrambled, poached, hard boiled)
    * OR
    * 200 grams of kangaroo meat or 250-300 grams of fresh grilled fish - try make your main animal/protein intake either of these two options MOST OF THE TIME + 30 grams of mixed fresh nuts
    * 2 x Insulinomics
    * 2 x Fenuplex
    * 2 x HCL 4.0
    * 3 x Fish Oil Caps
    * Zinc

 
MORNING TEA

    * Same as you are having, however minus the fruit (for now) however add the splash of olive oil (15-20ml) to the serving of vegetabls as you have been doing. If you did not have the eggs for breakfast feel free to have this meal at another point in the day - interchangable
    * 2 x HCL 4.0
    * 3 x Fish Oil Caps

LUNCH

    * Same as you are having - except rotate meats widely between kangaroo, fresh fish or grilled chicken breast or AT LEAST grass fed organic beef
    * 2 x Fenuplex
    * 2 x Insulinomics
    * 2 x HCL 4.0
    * 3 x Fish Oil Caps
    * Zinc

TRAIN
 
POST WORKOUT - No Shake until you are <13%
 
DINNER (you will want to have dinner soon after your workout as you are not having your muscle sparing protein shake - your meal is to do this job, aim for within 45minutes)

    * Same as you are having (observing the same meat rule as lunch etc) and on hard weight training days add 100-150 grams of long grain brown rice or 150-200 grams of sweet potato.
    * Drink water with lemon or lime juice squeezed with this meal as the enzymes lessen the glycemic effects of the carbs eaten.
    * 2 x HCL 4.0
    * 3 x Fish Oil Caps
    * Magnesium

SNACKS

    * Up to 2-3 cups of berries such as blueberries, raspberries etc a day spread throughout (keep to this fruit choice only until you become even leaner again)
    * 3-4 palm fulls (spread evenly on your palm) of fresh mixed nuts a day, preferably macadamias, almonds, walnuts - Defintely no peanuts

NOTES

    * Have a cheat meal every 4th to 5th day at the end of the day last thing you eat as a reward for your "good eating" throughout
    * Try boiling 4-5 cinnamon sticks in about 1.5-2 litres of water for 10-15 minutes, removing sticks, refridgerating and then making that your days drinking water more days during the week than not then when thats finished continue drinking regular pure water. Cinnamon bark helps improve your body's insulin sensitivity levels
    * If you still have BCAA's to use up, take them in higher dosages throughout your more arduous workouts - ie 20 grams minimum at 5 grams does very little for you, but 20 grams will do a LOT
    * Keep changing your sources of vegetables up as you appear to be doing. Shoot for 50 grams of fiber a day at least from these sources.

POLIQUIN SUPPLEMENTS TO ORDER

    * Fenuplex (works in tandem with Insulinomics for people with your Bio-Signature profile)
    * Insulinomics
    * UberZinc
    * UberMagnesium
    * HCL 4.0 - if you are wary of ordering this from poliquin yourself do to the customs warning, you can get it off me as I can get it in. Its simply a higher dose per cap of what you took on the test so you only take 2 instead of the 5 with each meal to make sure you are getting what you should out of your supps and meals.
    * Choose a Multivitamin (I really like Multi-Intense)
    * Fish Oil - (can be pricey of poliquin but it comes from a very pure source, otherwise get Nordic naturals if you can locally)

 
To make the order you can just click on the link below or through my website on the right of the main page, this associates the order with myself and would be greatly appreciated :)
 
Any questions or concerns, please let me know!
 
Thanks Michael, I look forward to seeing what results this action plan brings for you and dont hesitate to book in for a deadlift/squat session with me when you're able.



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Re: Charles Poliquin - 'Biosignature'
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2011, 11:21:28 pm »
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lmao @
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POLIQUIN SUPPLEMENTS TO ORDER

    * Fenuplex (works in tandem with Insulinomics for people with your Bio-Signature profile)
    * Insulinomics
    * UberZinc
    * UberMagnesium
    * HCL 4.0 - if you are wary of ordering this from poliquin yourself do to the customs warning, you can get it off me as I can get it in. Its simply a higher dose per cap of what you took on the test so you only take 2 instead of the 5 with each meal to make sure you are getting what you should out of your supps and meals.
    * Choose a Multivitamin (I really like Multi-Intense)
    * Fish Oil - (can be pricey of poliquin but it comes from a very pure source, otherwise get Nordic naturals if you can locally)

ya bro, get urself some UberZin, insulinomics, and ubermagnesium and u'll achieve some uber fat loss, since getting from 16% to 10% is amazingly hard apparently..

nice post, thanks for sharing that reply.

i stopped really caring what poliquin says after his 5% quads in jumping comments.

seriously though, to lean up from 16%, ez work, all you need is some whey protein and optionally fish oil/multi vit as your supps for EVERYTHING including leaning up.. it comes down to getting in MORE WORK and eating clean.

if i really wanted to lean up fast, i'd have two sessions per day of walking/interval sprints/jump rope (varying what I do more of), and get some lifts in, upper and/or lower for muscle maintenance, moderate-high rep.. and i'd just eat clean, cutting carbs a bit but maintaining high protein intake.. the end, only supp i'd use personally is whey protein throughout the day, morning, and post workout.

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Re: Charles Poliquin - 'Biosignature'
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2011, 10:15:47 am »
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just take some Clen or albuterol and youll be GOLDEN!!!

but seriously, going from 16 to 10 isn't bad, besides isnt 10-12% when you're body is most anabolic? I think i read it in justin harris's book


but 10-7% is where youll need to start counting calories and all that gay shit


but he really says uberzinc and ubermagnesium?
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Re: Charles Poliquin - 'Biosignature'
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2011, 12:35:03 pm »
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Dieting without anabolic assistance? LOL
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Re: Charles Poliquin - 'Biosignature'
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2011, 11:09:35 pm »
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THere is definitely evidence that cortisol stores fat in the lower abdominal area.

Women tend to have flabbier triceps than men, they also have fatter legs and hips. Men can have fat stomach lean legs, women fat legs lean stomach. It doesn't have to be his special biosignature method. THe premise that certain hormones store fat in certain areas is not a scam
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Charles Poliquin - 'Biosignature'
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2011, 10:01:00 am »
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THere is definitely evidence that cortisol stores fat in the lower abdominal area.

Women tend to have flabbier triceps than men, they also have fatter legs and hips. Men can have fat stomach lean legs, women fat legs lean stomach. It doesn't have to be his special biosignature method. THe premise that certain hormones store fat in certain areas is not a scam

i don't know about lower abdominal area, but i've seen studies that found cortisol to be linked to increased visceral fat.
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Re: Charles Poliquin - 'Biosignature'
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2011, 02:35:53 pm »
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I have high fat levels in my legs but am lean in the abdominal area. I guess that means i'm a woman.
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Re: Charles Poliquin - 'Biosignature'
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2011, 03:04:55 pm »
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I have high fat levels in my legs but am lean in the abdominal area. I guess that means i'm a woman.

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Re: Charles Poliquin - 'Biosignature'
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2011, 01:44:39 am »
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Yeah cortisol = visceral fat, which is deeper in your body surrounding organs.  I might have made that up but It's what Poliquin says too. Here are some studies I briefly looked up.

http://nutricaoonline.no.sapo.pt/textos/Stress%20and%20body%20shape.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16353426
http://www.springerlink.com/content/j63x0894cpmlwbpg/

Can't find specific info that cortisol = lower abs fat. But will keep looking once I wake up.



Estrogen isn't just for women really and is quite a male hormone http://www.pnas.org/content/102/12/4608.short (google ray peat estrogen and blog talk radio and listen to the podcast).

Women definitely don't have striated legs, even the leaner ones. If they did you wouldn't  want to do what raptor said
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Charles Poliquin - 'Biosignature'
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2011, 03:06:52 am »
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For some reason, whenever I read this thread's title I read "Brosignature". Gotta mean something.