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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2011, 08:18:41 pm »
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lol @ caption

adam link....7 time ACC something? wtf? loool

wow i didn't even catch that.............. WTF hahahaah12$!@$!@$!@%!@$%!@)$(!@)%$(!@

great catch, that makes the pic even more hilarious.. epic

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2011, 01:05:26 am »
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One fraud using another fraud's video

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8zmubRWCog" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8zmubRWCog</a>

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2011, 04:16:24 am »
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One fraud using another fraud's video

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8zmubRWCog" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8zmubRWCog</a>

interesting concept.. good find

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2011, 04:52:11 am »
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actually came across a free download of it a week or 2 ago, had a look and closed it down - no good in my humble opinion

except maybe if you've been on the couch for since 1993

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2011, 08:11:03 pm »
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This stuff is just mean.

There's nothing I can defend here, it's just a hate party.

Honestly Andrew... You're a cool guy... good Youtube progress channel, knowledgeable, original...

...but this is below you man. 

This is just getting together with friends and bashing me and demonizing me.

Nothing I can do...


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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2011, 08:50:12 pm »
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jump manual is trash, he's always saying "Vertical explozion", he believes leg press is more effective than squat, he promotes squatflex, he thinks lower back is the most important "prime mover" in vertical jumping, he lies about his vert, he's made millions of dollars doing it, he leads everyone astray, he claims jump manual is how he got to 45" vert but he can't even use his own manual to get him back to 45" vert which makes no sense, he posts pictures of him ripping rims off backboards instead of videos, he claims his elbow to fingertip is 13 inches yet he has long arms for deadlifting, he claims his reach is t-rex level but he's got long arms for deadlifting, he got raped on adarq.org and ducked everyone's questions - instead replying with unrelated damage control answers, he's teamed up with maroko & company, he used brandon todd as a testimonial for jump manual but we all know brandon todd didn't use that shitty ass manual, he's good at photoshop.

discuss.


^^ mean, possibly, true, definitely.

i appreciate your support on my various youtube channels. if you were to put out dunk videos & training footage, i would most likely do the same, but that issue is separate from promoting squatflex, leg press over squat, claiming elite vert numbers without a shred of proof & basing your product off of it (there's no way anyone is going to make an elite transformation leg pressing), claiming it's easy to get to 40" vert, having the most insanely annoying "affiliate marketing system" known to man kind, teaming up with maroko/jumpusa, etc.

bottom line, this industry if full of what YOU do.. offer a program that is backed by lies.. maroko does it, taylor allan does it, adam linkenauger does it, you do it, squatdr does it, everyone does it, it's pathetic.. the industry is full of people doing a few things:

1. writing programs based on bullshit stats.. if the stats are bullshit, then the program said to have resulted in bullshit stats makes no sense and is ineffective.
2. someone impressive claiming they utilized a program/training ideology when they didn't.

that's pretty much the industry in a nutshell..

nobody is going to improve vert/speed to any great amount by leg pressing..

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2011, 09:05:35 pm »
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This stuff is just mean.

There's nothing I can defend here, it's just a hate party.

Honestly Andrew... You're a cool guy... good Youtube progress channel, knowledgeable, original...

...but this is below you man. 

This is just getting together with friends and bashing me and demonizing me.

Nothing I can do...



Playing victim instead of debunking everything that was said. Never seen that one before.

There is a lot you can do. Stop spitting bullshit, stop making false claims, and stop associating with scammers. That'd hurt your income so obviously you won't do it, but you can't expect hugs and kisses when you do everything that we are against.
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2011, 09:14:31 pm »
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DEAR JACOB HILLER: IT IS JAN 1 2011, YOU TOLD US TO WAIT UNTIL JAN 1, IT'S JAN 1, AND WE'RE JUST DYING OF ANTICIPATION.

WHATS UP?!?!!?






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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2011, 09:15:37 pm »
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DEAR JACOB HILLER: IT IS JAN 1 2011, YOU TOLD US TO WAIT UNTIL JAN 1, IT'S JAN 1, AND WE'RE JUST DYING OF ANTICIPATION.

WHATS UP?!?!!?






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yeah, what was up with that jan 1st shit?

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2011, 06:02:06 am »
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JC - It's not about "playing victim."  Di  I really have chance with you guys?  Honestly I think you just don't like me... You sure don't :)  I guess I should be more sympathetic to some of your reasons...  Like the affiliates spamming.. that is legit.  I'll try a bit here... 


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IT'S JAN 1
- I asked you guys to treat my like a regular dude until Jan 1st... that never happened.  I said I would look at saying I never jumped high...

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1. writing programs based on bullshit stats.. if the stats are bullshit, then the program said to have resulted in bullshit stats makes no sense and is ineffective

I don't know what stats your talking about.

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2. someone impressive claiming they utilized a program/training ideology when they didn't.

??

You say you havne't even ready my stuff...

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nobody is going to improve vert/speed to any great amount by leg pressing.. he believes leg press is more effective than squat

I never say leg press is better than squatting... ever.

http://freeverticaljumptraining.com/vertical_jump_exercises/jumping-higher-equipment/can-leg-press-increase-my-vertical-leap-controversy/

Here I explain my stance... I do think it has a use... but I never say it is better...

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he thinks lower back is the most important "prime mover" in vertical jumping

I never say this either...  although I do say lower back training is overlooked.  And I also use the word "prime mover" haha...


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he claims jump manual is how he got to 45"

My own manual is how I got a 44" vert... It's true I don't have video footage.

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he claims his elbow to fingertip is 13 inches

LOL

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he claims his reach is t-rex level

This is true... whatever it means.

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he used brandon todd as a testimonial

Long story... nice guy.. but he gave me a testimonial (I didn't even know him), and now he wants me to take it down.  I'm as confused as you are.

Btodd is cool guy, and knowledgeable on training, he has his own thing now and doesn't want ot be associated with Jump Manual.  I don't blame him, but I can't say he never gave me what he gave me.

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on adarq.org and ducked everyone's questions - instead replying with unrelated damage control answers

I think you don't like my answers or me.  I don't really have chance.

The "call em out" section of the forum is one of the biggest on your forum.  You've called out me... Eric Cressey, Joe Defranco, and load of other good and not so good trainers.  Why the need to make everyone look bad?  Why all the hatin?

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he's good at photoshop.

You claimed my facebook profile pic was shopped, and my broken rim was shopped.  Both are not...

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^^ mean, possibly, true, definitely


Most of what you say is lies in that statement.. mixed with some truth.




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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2011, 11:49:57 am »
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Your most relevant gripe is the affiliates...

I have affiliates who are using my name on Fbook, twitter... and it's embarrassing, people think it's me and sometimes they post some weird stuff.

But they are being warned to take them down, and if they don't they'll be removed...

JWoodrup (deals with it to just not on the same scale.  I saw someone using a Jacob Tucker video to advertise Vertical Mastery... using a link called the "tuckerguide."

Of course I have many more and very annoying stuff being done... I'm genuinely sorry for that and send emails all the time to warn them or block them.

I don't have the "button" to turn them off... first we warn them and often they stop right away... then some start back up.

I would MUCH rather all my affiliates only do "good" promotion... to be honest the vast majority are very good, and don't do bad promos like that.

You may have the impression that the spammy affiliates make tons of money... but they don't... they do make some, but not much.  Most of those spammy annoying promos are extremely transparent and do nothing but make people mad... at me usually.  Because they think I'm doing it... but I'm not.

I could shut down the entire program, but again most of these affiliates are great, and use my articles and videos to promote on their own blogs or to their own lists... etc...

I would genuinely love to clean up the affiliates promos...


Honesty I can see how it would be annoying and reflect back on me if the affiliates do stupid spammy promos.

I'd much rather they didn't OR not have them at all... Of course you don't believe me about that.

But I'd much rather not have people mad at me or associate me with a bad promo.... long term it's definitely better.

My affiliate program like Jacks is a "managed" program meaning I don't have direct control of who does what, I can only snoop out their ID and make complaints... then if they don't stop they can be shut down.

I made at least 20 requests... usually it's a few people spoiling it for all the others.





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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2011, 12:05:02 pm »
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I'd be very happy to disagree or debate on specific points of training with you guys.

Andrew, I see you all over online... I'd rather we night be in petty fights... in fact I thought we we're on friendly terms although I know you disagreed with me on some things... (normal) until I saw this post.

It looks like we watch all the same youtube channels etc...

I think some people like this internet bashing type of stuff, but I'd much rather disagree... I mean.. I don't bash like this in real life... I doubt you do either, so why do we do it online?

Have you watched my youtube vids?  Have you seen my articles on my blog?

Disagree with them like a gentleman.. not... "This is wrong... you mother#$%$, you're so #$%# wrong... DERP!"

More like... "You really think ___, but isn't it true that ____, how can you still think _____?"

Honestly if you convinced me otherwise I'd change my mind, and we'd all be the better.

I'd rather be on good terms... But know when you get all up in the camera... all I hear is... DERP you!

Seriously man... some of my affiliates are spammy and I need to get them tamed or out.

We disagree on a few points of training.... so what.  You think your right - I think I am...

I promote Alex Maroko.. why?  I think he has the best dribbling product.. show me a better one and I'll promote that instead.
I promote Taylor Alan... why  I think he has the best shooting product... show me a better one and I'll refer that.
(I used to promote a different one, but I think Taylor's is better...)
Supplements I usually promote Bodybuilding.com as they have the best selection of cheap or high quality products... find me a better one...

I don't really know what your problem with them is... but I promote them solely for their products.

Let's disagree.. then call me wrong.

I disagree with lots of trainers, doesn't mean I go home and call them derps.. haha...

Anyways... I'm done whining.. here. 

Do you think this is possible?





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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2011, 12:23:40 pm »
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Your most relevant gripe is the affiliates...

I have affiliates who are using my name on Fbook, twitter... and it's embarrassing, people think it's me and sometimes they post some weird stuff.

But they are being warned to take them down, and if they don't they'll be removed...

JWoodrup (deals with it to just not on the same scale.  I saw someone using a Jacob Tucker video to advertise Vertical Mastery... using a link called the "tuckerguide."

Of course I have many more and very annoying stuff being done... I'm genuinely sorry for that and send emails all the time to warn them or block them.

I don't have the "button" to turn them off... first we warn them and often they stop right away... then some start back up.

I would MUCH rather all my affiliates only do "good" promotion... to be honest the vast majority are very good, and don't do bad promos like that.

You may have the impression that the spammy affiliates make tons of money... but they don't... they do make some, but not much.  Most of those spammy annoying promos are extremely transparent and do nothing but make people mad... at me usually.  Because they think I'm doing it... but I'm not.

I could shut down the entire program, but again most of these affiliates are great, and use my articles and videos to promote on their own blogs or to their own lists... etc...

I would genuinely love to clean up the affiliates promos...


Honesty I can see how it would be annoying and reflect back on me if the affiliates do stupid spammy promos.

I'd much rather they didn't OR not have them at all... Of course you don't believe me about that.

But I'd much rather not have people mad at me or associate me with a bad promo.... long term it's definitely better.

My affiliate program like Jacks is a "managed" program meaning I don't have direct control of who does what, I can only snoop out their ID and make complaints... then if they don't stop they can be shut down.

I made at least 20 requests... usually it's a few people spoiling it for all the others.






If you stop paying them to do it, I bet they will quit doing it.
Relax.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2011, 12:50:19 pm »
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If you stop paying them to do it, I bet they will quit doing it.

Logistically it's not that simple or even possible.

Initially I don't even know who they are.. I have to go snoop it out.

Then I send an email to my account manager, who then contacts the affiliate, warns them, or removes them.

Of course sometimes they can resurface as another ID with a new name....

I also don't pay them.... at least directly... this is all handled through CB, automatically.

What I can do is find out their ID, and try and track down their activity... and you'd be surprised that spammy affiliates generate much more negative attention then they do positive cash flow.

Overall I don't consider it a positive.

Again the VAST majority of our affiliates run great sites that are driven off good content, or they have their own products as well.

I definitely don't encourage spammy stuff, BUT I could do a better job of policing it... it's hard to keep track of it.

I've ramped it up a bit in the past several months - especially with the Facebook clones... they post some stuff that is embarrassing to think that people think it is me.

Jack and many others will deal with it on a smaller scale until they get more affiliates.

I use alerts to keep track of stuff but it never pulls up stuff that shows up on Youtube, which is where the most annoying stuff goes on.. I think.






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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2011, 12:51:39 pm »
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I promote Alex Maroko.. why?  I think he has the best dribbling product.. show me a better one and I'll promote that instead.
I promote Taylor Alan... why  I think he has the best shooting product... show me a better one and I'll refer that.
(I used to promote a different one, but I think Taylor's is better...)
Supplements I usually promote Bodybuilding.com as they have the best selection of cheap or high quality products... find me a better one...

Never seen Maroko or Taylor Allan's programs, but I guarantee that Better Basketball is better
Bodybuilding.com is expensive for supplements. Try http://www.massnutrition.com/index.cfm or if you want "supplements" that actually work, http://www.prohormoneforum.com/store  .  ;D

You promote squat flex. That automatically makes you a "scammer". If you truly believe in it, then you are an idiot anyway.
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