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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2011, 12:59:43 pm »
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JC -

Thanks for the links i'll check them out...

Before you "guarantee" that BB is better, check out the other programs... I'd be interested.

Prohormones eh?

JC - With you when we disagree on a subject... you just call me an idiot... that's at least a step above :)  I don't know you or why you wanna hate so much... but you seem pretty untouchable so there's not much I can do.

I also think if the SF people didn't market like they do you wouldn't hate them so much.. just disagree... in the end I think you guys biggest gripe ends up being the marketing, and how it gets more attention then something that might be more legit.

I think that sparks all the backlash... which I can understand that.

I pledge to put less hype in my marketing, and police the stuff from my affiliates.

I have a redesign already that's been planned, and it's WAY less hype... my last one was designed for me, and I don't like some of the stuff.

Unfortunately I'm not a designer.

In fact... I think less hypey is more effective anyways...  nobody wants to be hyped.


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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2011, 01:02:08 pm »
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i'll respond to the other stuff later.. here's something else instead:






 :wowthatwasnutswtf:

ok, 100's of athlete to 40? where?

many students gained 20 inches on vert? so if the average standing vert is 24-26" for a male, they are standing/running vert around 45+ now? where?

can you link me to one person who has a journal on any forum that has done jump manual, and gained impressively? 10+ inches? can you link me to anyone who has gained 20+ inches?

the impressive transformations have no youtube's right, no journals, etc, here, let me link my take on that:

http://www.adarq.org/forum/call-em-out/how-come-more-coaches-don%27t-have-training-logsjournals/

your issues stem at the root: 44, 100's of 40's, many students gaining 20+ inches.. come on now.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2011, 01:02:48 pm »
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Lance -

Also the youtube vids that affiliates post... I cannot get Youtube to remove them.. only the original copyright holder of the vid can.

Essentially an affiliate is "independent" and has a relationship only with CB, who manages the program.

That said... I need to do a better job of policing it...

I need to get the same guys who run UFC to handle that!  I can never find a UFC fight online those guys are amazing.  

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2011, 01:14:22 pm »
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many students gained 20 inches on vert? so if the average standing vert is 24-26" for a male, they are standing/running vert around 45+ now? where?

can you link me to one person who has a journal on any forum that has done jump manual, and gained impressively? 10+ inches? can you link me to anyone who has gained 20+ inches?

I've had tons of people get their running verts to over 40 inches.  And there's lots of them on my facebook... and many of them have dunk vids...

However, they haven't documented their training as well as you have...  but you can see the results of their training by looking at their dunk vids. 

Getting them to make dunk vids alone is tough.

So I can get you many people who jump 40 inches (running vert)... but they won't have a full youtube documentation.

I'm impressed with your documentation on youtube, and even your journals here... (youtube is better)

The 20 inch vertical gains are much less frequent and come when people com in as beginners, lose significant weight, and then start making really good gains long term.

The new Jump Manual (coming soon) already as built in training logs and mobile apps so tracking is going to be super easy.

Many of our current users are tracking with our tracking sheet system already.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoFqw4NQ_4M" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoFqw4NQ_4M</a>

Without documentation I could put that to "many"... we have seen a lot of 40 inch running verts.


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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2011, 01:19:12 pm »
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JC -

Thanks for the links i'll check them out...

Before you "guarantee" that BB is better, check out the other programs... I'd be interested.

Prohormones eh?

JC - With you when we disagree on a subject... you just call me an idiot... that's at least a step above :)  I don't know you or why you wanna hate so much... but you seem pretty untouchable so there's not much I can do.

I also think if the SF people didn't market like they do you wouldn't hate them so much.. just disagree... in the end I think you guys biggest gripe ends up being the marketing, and how it gets more attention then something that might be more legit.

I think that sparks all the backlash... which I can understand that.

I pledge to put less hype in my marketing, and police the stuff from my affiliates.

I have a redesign already that's been planned, and it's WAY less hype... my last one was designed for me, and I don't like some of the stuff.

Unfortunately I'm not a designer.

In fact... I think less hypey is more effective anyways...  nobody wants to be hyped.



You are the other goons are 100% responsible for the marketing. There's tons of bs "vert" equipment out there, but I don't get emailed by 10 different guys promoting it. How can you say you understand our backlash, when you are 100% responsible for it?
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2011, 01:22:23 pm »
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many students gained 20 inches on vert? so if the average standing vert is 24-26" for a male, they are standing/running vert around 45+ now? where?

can you link me to one person who has a journal on any forum that has done jump manual, and gained impressively? 10+ inches? can you link me to anyone who has gained 20+ inches?

I've had tons of people get their running verts to over 40 inches.  And there's lots of them on my facebook... and many of them have dunk vids...

However, they haven't documented their training as well as you have...  but you can see the results of their training by looking at their dunk vids. 

Getting them to make dunk vids alone is tough.

So I can get you many people who jump 40 inches (running vert)... but they won't have a full youtube documentation.

I'm impressed with your documentation on youtube, and even your journals here... (youtube is better)

The 20 inch vertical gains are much less frequent and come when people com in as beginners, lose significant weight, and then start making really good gains long term.

The new Jump Manual (coming soon) already as built in training logs and mobile apps so tracking is going to be super easy.

Many of our current users are tracking with our tracking sheet system already.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoFqw4NQ_4M" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoFqw4NQ_4M</a>

Without documentation I could put that to "many"... we have seen a lot of 40 inch running verts.



the fact that you think that kid is jumping 40 says alot about you & your 44/100's of 40 claims.. that could would be lucky to have hit 30" once in that video.. if you want me to completely destroy the vid and dissect it i could, but it's pretty obvious to anyone who has eyeballs.

i'll dissect it maybe later for fun, but let's just put it this way, if that rim is 10' (which i doubt, looks like 9'8 or so), that kid would still be jumping low 30's and im being generous.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2011, 01:59:18 pm »
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that kid would still be jumping low 30's and im being generous.

He doesn't jump half as well with the ball but...


His head is within a few inches of that rim.

If that rim is 10 - he's about ~41 inches... of course you can claim it's low...  

But it it is 10.. the he's jumping over 40 inches in that initial pic... but not jumping near as high with the ball.

If not... he's still pretty high on that initial pic.  Of course I wasn't there to measure it so...

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There's tons of bs "vert" equipment out there, but I don't get emailed by 10 different guys promoting it. How can you say you understand our backlash, when you are 100% responsible for it?

I'm only aware of one piece of equipment that I market... that you don' like.

I'm just saying I understand why you don't like they hypey affiliates marketing.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2011, 02:07:35 pm »
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"Kangaroo SuperHops BlastForce Deluxe Kevin Bacon"

lol

I'm really impressed with your use and insistence of workout journals...

You're of course not the only one who hears about peoples verts then tests them.

I test my vert every training session, and carry a measuring tape to check the rims.

I also think if more people were doing it we'd get an adjustment of what is actually possible.

This is something that can be improved on...

Tracking sheets are cool, but I think the Youtube videos is the best.




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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2011, 02:13:11 pm »
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Andrew -

To be completely in the clear.. I think you should measure the rims for your dunk sessions.

It's surprising how much rims can vary... even in places like 24 hours fitness.

Just carry a small measuring tape in your bag.

When I post my first vid I know I'm going to have to show measurement... but even then it'll be called shopped I'm sure.


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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2011, 02:18:30 pm »
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http://freeverticaljumptraining.com/happy-dunkers/

Here is also a page we are putting together, it's about 1/6th done.

But it's true that these aren't video training logs... these are just random un solicited testimonials.

We probably have 1000 unposted testimonials.

But i'm guessing they don't mean anything to you unless they have a good video journal... fair.


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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2011, 03:27:34 pm »
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Andrew -

To be completely in the clear.. I think you should measure the rims for your dunk sessions.

It's surprising how much rims can vary... even in places like 24 hours fitness.

ya good idea, let me measure every hoop i go to since i dunk at like 10+ different courts.. great idea.. anyway i have measured a bunch of them, that's why i call some courts 9'11 and most are 10', but from my videos you can obviously tell what is 10' or not.. the video you posted looks like a fisher price hoop and he uses horrible camera angles, overlay him next to the guy holding the ball for his lob and he'd look horribly low, he has absolutely no hangtime in his jump, and every piece of footage in that video neglects to show the ground which is pretty astonishing, good coaching on that one.

ill rip apart your friend's video later tonight when i get back, he's not even close to 40, that video is a joke no offense.




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Just carry a small measuring tape in your bag.

When I post my first vid I know I'm going to have to show measurement... but even then it'll be called shopped I'm sure.



how bout you post some videos before asking me to put a measuring tape in my bag, because i have uploaded over 300 videos to youtube and you have yet to upload 1.. i've probably dunked on over 15 courts & posted the footage, the last thing i care about when going to some stupid fucking court is measuring the stupid fucking hoop, i know what's 10 and what isn't.. i don't enjoy dunking on low rims one bit, that's why i don't have one low rim video on my youtube, it's boring and pathetic, some people should take note.

plus i have vertec footage, do you? I have footage of my jumping 36.5" on a vertec and i'm clearly jumping higher than that now..

where's your vertec footage? where's your.......... footage?

once you upload a vid then make your requests, until then, continue uploading videos of pictures of videos.

bottom line, don't even begin to question my stats when you're ENTIRE HISTORY is a complete lie..

you have nothing

no footage.

no proof.

nothing.

absolutely nothing.

nil.

zero.

nada.

zilch.

you are a joke, until you prove otherwise.. when you drop your video then maybe people will start to respect you around here, until then you're just some fake vert authority using bullshit stats to promote his leg press training system & whore out b.s. like squatflex.

this forum is full of athletes, not little wimps who claim shit and don't back it up.. you aren't special.. anyone on this site claiming numbers needs to back them up or fuck off.. well they can stay, sure, whatever, but if you claim big numbers and don't back them up, you get zero respect around here.. you've made claims, many claims, that are downright fucking retarded..

100's of 40's

20+ inches on your student's verts

44" RVJ for yourself

you bug me, bad.. because you have the nerve to keep coming on here trying to justify your BULLSHIT.. just man the fuck up or get lost man, it's as simple as that..

like i said months ago, why don't you just use the jump manual and get back to 44" RVJ?

lmfao @ a guy who brings a tape measure with him everywhere he goes, to every court, measuring hoops, and only posts videos of pictures of videos ..........

man you got me rolling.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2011, 03:38:17 pm »
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ya good idea, let me measure every hoop i go to since i dunk at like 10+ different courts.. great idea.. anyway i have measured a bunch of them, that's why i call some courts 9'11 and most are 10', but from my videos you can obviously tell what is 10' or not.. the video you posted looks like a fisher price hoop and he uses horrible camera angles, overlay him next to the guy holding the ball for his lob and he'd look horribly low, he has absolutely no hangtime in his jump, and every piece of footage in that video neglects to show the ground which is pretty astonishing, good coaching on that one.


It doesn't take time at all... if you know your reach and have a small tape measure takes a couple seconds.


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ill rip apart your friend's video later tonight when i get back, he's not even close to 40, that video is a joke no offense.

Please don't, he offered me that testimonial, and I don't want him to be "ripped"... besides I just grabbed one of the first ones... if it's not a 10' rim it's not at big deal.. he's just one.

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bottom line, don't even begin to question my stats when you're ENTIRE HISTORY is a complete lie..

Easy... I wasn't questioning your stats, I just think it'd be cool.  You're not being attacked.

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lmfao @ a guy who brings a tape measure with him everywhere he goes, to every court, measuring hoops, and only posts videos of pictures of videos .........

I have reasons for not posting dunk vids now, but I dunk for people all the time in person.

Listen... get on a skype with me RIGHT NOW... and I'll show you my most recent progress vid that has me jumping ~42 inches.

I'm serious... but you gotta promise not to record it :)

Let's go...

And yes I measure the rim in the video with my tape measure...

It's nice to know for sure because sometimes the surface aids in hops a bit.

« Last Edit: April 29, 2011, 03:41:28 pm by Jacob Hiller »

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2011, 04:51:05 pm »
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I'm feeling some Squatdreitis occuring...

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2011, 04:56:38 pm »
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Why won't he put up a vid of him yamming it? That's the easiest way to quench the haterade! Just put up a VID .
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2011, 05:05:36 pm »
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Why won't he put up a vid of him yamming it? That's the easiest way to quench the haterade! Just put up a VID .

lol

I will, I have tons, and I show them in coaching sessions... i have reason for not showing yet, that you probably won't agree with... and maybe you're right...

BUT.. I'd be willing to give ole Andrew a sneak peak... :)

Raptor... no fake pics... real deal vids, on measured hoops...

Hey I'll be coming to Romania...quit hatin' so when I come we can ball.